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RE: Future of the AAC
(07-26-2016 12:11 AM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  Am I crazy?!? Will or can anyone explain to me why the AAC won't have the ACC'S old time slots not to mention the extra big10 slots that the ACC was going to slide into. The mwc can't cover those if they wanted to because of geography and I would think those spots in tail at least a decent contract right? Why oh why would anyone American team go to the empty no one cares mwc. I still think espn has a fascination with the AAC

Who said the ACC was giving up their slots with the formation of a conference network?

If anything it will be the B12 picking up more slots with the addition of 2-4 teams.
07-26-2016 05:50 AM
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Nobody is leaving the AAC if there are exit fees coming in from losing 2-3 teams. That's a lot of $
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(07-26-2016 12:11 AM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  Am I crazy?!? Will or can anyone explain to me why the AAC won't have the ACC'S old time slots not to mention the extra big10 slots that the ACC was going to slide into. The mwc can't cover those if they wanted to because of geography and I would think those spots in tail at least a decent contract right? Why oh why would anyone American team go to the empty no one cares mwc. I still think espn has a fascination with the AAC

The ACC isn't going to lose their regular ESPN timeslots, the prime games will still be aired the same way as in the past. The only thing that will change is all the games that were typically on ESPN3, plus many more football/basketball games and Oly sports, will now be on Digital (and later the Linear) networks. It's not like they'd just completely drop off the ESPN & ESPN2 and solely move to their digital/linear networks. Did the SEC lose their prime timeslots? Nope, they just got more coverage with the SEC network.
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(07-26-2016 06:45 AM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  Nobody is leaving the AAC if there are exit fees coming in from losing 2-3 teams. That's a lot of $

It may depend on who is leaving. Navy doesn't march to same tune as any of the other's, and I think they structured themselves well enough that they can come and go almost freely (oh, to be pursued for decades). It's the Big East "left-behind's" that make it interesting, especially if they leave. That nice favored share they got when the conference split and those other schools left...Cincy, UConn, and USF...if any of those guys are leaving, it's going to cost a little extra.
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(07-26-2016 06:45 AM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  Nobody is leaving the AAC if there are exit fees coming in from losing 2-3 teams. That's a lot of $

Schools will pay it to join the club. Long term, they'd be stupid not to.
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(07-26-2016 07:14 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(07-26-2016 06:45 AM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  Nobody is leaving the AAC if there are exit fees coming in from losing 2-3 teams. That's a lot of $

It may depend on who is leaving. Navy doesn't march to same tune as any of the other's, and I think they structured themselves well enough that they can come and go almost freely (oh, to be pursued for decades). It's the Big East "left-behind's" that make it interesting, especially if they leave. That nice favored share they got when the conference split and those other schools left...Cincy, UConn, and USF...if any of those guys are leaving, it's going to cost a little extra.

Where has it been published that Navy has any kind of special deal with the AAC. I’m not saying it can’t exist, I’ve just never seen any evidence of it outside of people’s speculation. It would surprise me because Navy was one of the most publicly vocal schools against Boise when they were looking for an uneven distribution of the TV revenue. Navy would be free to leave just like any other program in the AAC and would be subject to the exact same penalties.
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Don't be so sure Navy would leave; take a look at the division they CHOSE to play in and take a look at their past ooc schedules. They aren't in the AAC for the opportunity to play Houston and Cincinnati. A weaker AAC might actually make Army more interested.
The AAC consists of national universities that currently do more gross research than the Big 12. They have higher endowments than most G5 and far more resources. The AAC will look to institutional strength as a baseline.
Doubtful that the AAC necessarily digs that deep into C-USA. Rice, USM, Marshall and ODU have a chance for various reasons, with Rice the greatest chance (should Houston leave). But schools like Buffalo (improving program; AAU school) and U Mass are on the possible as well.
AAC might also try to firm up the basketball...that's how you can make NCAA dollars beyond the one bowl game. AAC would still have some strong hoops programs (and some weak ones) and watering down the league with more weak ones will hurt a lot.
As for the MWC, remember that the Alliance talks were going strong even after Houston, SMU, Memphis and UCF announced their departure. It was C-USA (a bunch of wake-kneed presidents), not the MWC that ended them, as C-USA decided to add sunbelt schools instead, fearing travel costs.
Since that time, the MWC expanded, which makes a revisit of the Alliance problematic.
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(07-26-2016 08:24 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  
(07-26-2016 07:14 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(07-26-2016 06:45 AM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  Nobody is leaving the AAC if there are exit fees coming in from losing 2-3 teams. That's a lot of $

It may depend on who is leaving. Navy doesn't march to same tune as any of the other's, and I think they structured themselves well enough that they can come and go almost freely (oh, to be pursued for decades). It's the Big East "left-behind's" that make it interesting, especially if they leave. That nice favored share they got when the conference split and those other schools left...Cincy, UConn, and USF...if any of those guys are leaving, it's going to cost a little extra.

Where has it been published that Navy has any kind of special deal with the AAC. I’m not saying it can’t exist, I’ve just never seen any evidence of it outside of people’s speculation. It would surprise me because Navy was one of the most publicly vocal schools against Boise when they were looking for an uneven distribution of the TV revenue. Navy would be free to leave just like any other program in the AAC and would be subject to the exact same penalties.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily...-Navy.aspx

"CBS Sports Network will "retain rights to all Naval Academy home football games held at Navy-Marine Corps Memorial Stadium through 2017." The broadcast net also will "retain rights to Navy’s home games with Notre Dame as well as the Army-Navy game through 2018." Gladchuk said that one of the "conditions of Navy’s membership involved the level of television coverage." Gladchuk said, “Basically, our deal with the Big East stated that under no circumstances would Navy lose ground in terms of television revenue or exposure."

Either Navy keeps their current CBS deal separate from the AAC (till 2018) or they pool their share of the A/N game into the AAC TV revenue.
Since the current AAC deal is only 1.8 million, Navy deal states they get to keep the revenue they would have under there current CBS contract. Navy could, if they wanted to, could pool their share of the Army/Game into the AAC pool, but they don't as far as what I've can gather.

When the A/N game comes up for renewal, CBS and others may push that game to $7-10 million per year. Army keeps half and Navy will either keep half on their own or pool it into the AAC. Guess we will see when 2018 comes upon us.
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(07-26-2016 07:42 AM)TopperCard Wrote:  
(07-26-2016 06:45 AM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  Nobody is leaving the AAC if there are exit fees coming in from losing 2-3 teams. That's a lot of $

Schools will pay it to join the club. Long term, they'd be stupid not to.

I think you misunderstood my post...I mean after the AAC loses any combo of Cincy, UH, Memphis, et al, the leftover schools will not be joining the MWC to effectively lower their TV revenue and also miss out on the exit fees paid by those that left.

Of course the schools that leave will gladly pay the AAC exit fee to join a P5 league. Heck, SMU would give up the allocated B12 TV revenue in order to join!
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(07-26-2016 09:39 AM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  
(07-26-2016 07:42 AM)TopperCard Wrote:  
(07-26-2016 06:45 AM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  Nobody is leaving the AAC if there are exit fees coming in from losing 2-3 teams. That's a lot of $

Schools will pay it to join the club. Long term, they'd be stupid not to.

I think you misunderstood my post...I mean after the AAC loses any combo of Cincy, UH, Memphis, et al, the leftover schools will not be joining the MWC to effectively lower their TV revenue and also miss out on the exit fees paid by those that left.

Of course the schools that leave will gladly pay the AAC exit fee to join a P5 league. Heck, SMU would give up the allocated B12 TV revenue in order to join!

Gotcha. Yeah there could potentially be a big windfall to the remaining AAC members if several members leave. Not sure what the current buyout is for the AAC, but UC, UConn, and USF received some pretty nice distributions from the buyout money when WVU, Pitt, Cuse, Rutgers and Louisville left. Louisville paid $11 million plus basketball units and agreement to play AAC teams for several years in Bball and football.
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Per the AAC bylaws, a school is required to give 27 months notice before leaving and a $10 million payment to depart.
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(07-26-2016 10:22 AM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  Per the AAC bylaws, a school is required to give 27 months notice before leaving and a $10 million payment to depart.

Was that agreement carried over from the Big East bylaws?
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(07-26-2016 10:22 AM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  Per the AAC bylaws, a school is required to give 27 months notice before leaving and a $10 million payment to depart.

My guess is the buy out will increase 5-10 million to leave early.
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(07-26-2016 10:30 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  
(07-26-2016 10:22 AM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  Per the AAC bylaws, a school is required to give 27 months notice before leaving and a $10 million payment to depart.

Was that agreement carried over from the Big East bylaws?

I believe so, but am not 100% positive.

"Also, Houston officials would owe the American Athletic Conference a $10 million exit fee to join the Big 12, a source familiar with the process said." http://www.hookem.com/story/texas-lawmak...in-big-12/
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