(07-25-2016 08:31 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I can see something happening but...

1. Hawaii would need to finally quit and they are close. They are losing money left and right. The MWC doesn't really want them since they have their own tv deal and they add basically no value. They used to be prestigious but haven't been in a while.

2. The AAC would have to lose three. I still say Houston and Cinci are definitely in and I have a feeling we may lose one more leaving us with 9.

3. If we have 9, then we should offer 7 MWC teams. Utah State and SJSU are new and have no real history or allies, so it's easy to crop 2 (plus Hawaii) so that would leave them with 9 and us choosing 7. I tend to go in this order CSU, Air Force, SDSU, Boise, UNLV, Fresno, New Mexico.... I don't think we need Nevada or Wyoming.

To me, that would make sense for both sides and give each the best combination of markets, competitiveness and it would limit the available conferences to bid on, which lower supply might help get us a small bump.

My biggest fear is if we lose three and people start looks at options... Navy may not want to stay. Tulsa, SMU, Tulane may see the MWC as a better option. Uconn could go Indy in football and seek a Big East offer in all other sports. This conference could implode really quick.

I've seen this idea several times, and not to pick on you alone, but this would be a terrible idea for UConn. Who are the current independent teams? ND, BYU, Army, Idaho (for now) and UMass. Would UConn football be in as demand late in the season as ND? No. Even BYU struggles to fill its schedule. Army is a unique entity. UConn independent football would lead right to either FCS or non-existence.

(07-23-2016 07:24 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  With east/west divisions....isn't that the most likely outcome?

I would actively campaign to get ECU out of an AAC/MWC merger of remaining teams.

(07-25-2016 03:50 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 08:31 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I can see something happening but...

1. Hawaii would need to finally quit and they are close. They are losing money left and right. The MWC doesn't really want them since they have their own tv deal and they add basically no value. They used to be prestigious but haven't been in a while.

2. The AAC would have to lose three. I still say Houston and Cinci are definitely in and I have a feeling we may lose one more leaving us with 9.

3. If we have 9, then we should offer 7 MWC teams. Utah State and SJSU are new and have no real history or allies, so it's easy to crop 2 (plus Hawaii) so that would leave them with 9 and us choosing 7. I tend to go in this order CSU, Air Force, SDSU, Boise, UNLV, Fresno, New Mexico.... I don't think we need Nevada or Wyoming.

To me, that would make sense for both sides and give each the best combination of markets, competitiveness and it would limit the available conferences to bid on, which lower supply might help get us a small bump.

My biggest fear is if we lose three and people start looks at options... Navy may not want to stay. Tulsa, SMU, Tulane may see the MWC as a better option. Uconn could go Indy in football and seek a Big East offer in all other sports. This conference could implode really quick.

I've seen this idea several times, and not to pick on you alone, but this would be a terrible idea for UConn. Who are the current independent teams? ND, BYU, Army, Idaho (for now) and UMass. Would UConn football be in as demand late in the season as ND? No. Even BYU struggles to fill its schedule. Army is a unique entity. UConn independent football would lead right to either FCS or non-existence.

I agree with that and what’s the realistic chances of the Big East breaking their model of small, catholic, private universities that don’t play FBS football for a program that they know would jump at an invitation to the BIG or ACC at a moment’s notice?

Fans talk about UConn to the Big East because of tradition but I don’t see the motivation for the Big East to break the profile of what they have been doing, especially now that they have produced a national champion.

(07-25-2016 04:25 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 03:50 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 08:31 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I can see something happening but...

1. Hawaii would need to finally quit and they are close. They are losing money left and right. The MWC doesn't really want them since they have their own tv deal and they add basically no value. They used to be prestigious but haven't been in a while.

2. The AAC would have to lose three. I still say Houston and Cinci are definitely in and I have a feeling we may lose one more leaving us with 9.

3. If we have 9, then we should offer 7 MWC teams. Utah State and SJSU are new and have no real history or allies, so it's easy to crop 2 (plus Hawaii) so that would leave them with 9 and us choosing 7. I tend to go in this order CSU, Air Force, SDSU, Boise, UNLV, Fresno, New Mexico.... I don't think we need Nevada or Wyoming.

To me, that would make sense for both sides and give each the best combination of markets, competitiveness and it would limit the available conferences to bid on, which lower supply might help get us a small bump.

My biggest fear is if we lose three and people start looks at options... Navy may not want to stay. Tulsa, SMU, Tulane may see the MWC as a better option. Uconn could go Indy in football and seek a Big East offer in all other sports. This conference could implode really quick.

I've seen this idea several times, and not to pick on you alone, but this would be a terrible idea for UConn. Who are the current independent teams? ND, BYU, Army, Idaho (for now) and UMass. Would UConn football be in as demand late in the season as ND? No. Even BYU struggles to fill its schedule. Army is a unique entity. UConn independent football would lead right to either FCS or non-existence.

I agree with that and what’s the realistic chances of the Big East breaking their model of small, catholic, private universities that don’t play FBS football for a program that they know would jump at an invitation to the BIG or ACC at a moment’s notice?

Fans talk about UConn to the Big East because of tradition but I don’t see the motivation for the Big East to break the profile of what they have been doing, especially now that they have produced a national champion.

Unless UConn was looking to downgrade football. If that were the case, there would be no calls from the Big 10 or the ACC. That would be the only way I see them considered for the Big East.

(07-25-2016 03:52 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 07:24 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  With east/west divisions....isn't that the most likely outcome?

I would actively campaign to get ECU out of an AAC/MWC merger of remaining teams.

Why? ECU want access to the college football playoff. That is all that matters.

(07-25-2016 03:52 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 07:24 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  With east/west divisions....isn't that the most likely outcome?

I would actively campaign to get ECU out of an AAC/MWC merger of remaining teams.

LOL CUSA or bust..

For one the AAC exit fee is $10 million. Going to the MWC does nothing either except adding travel costs and less eyeballs.

(07-25-2016 03:50 PM)vick mike Wrote:  Who are the current independent teams? ND, BYU, Army, Idaho (for now) and UMass.

You forgot about New Mexico State.

I think a scheduling alliance, or an alliance in general would do more to help. From a purely tactical perspective it would really put the two conferences above the others in the 3 G5. It would also help us regarding a playoff expansion.

It's collusion, but isn't that what college football is about anyway.

(07-26-2016 02:44 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  For one the AAC exit fee is $10 million. Going to the MWC does nothing either except adding travel costs and less eyeballs.

If we lose 3 teams and then 4 go to the MWC and Navy decides its not worth staying, then there is only 4 teams left and the conference can be dissolved.

Its kinda scary but rather doubtful just because of geography. It would require that Uconn, cinci and maybe Memphis go to the Big 12. then Houston, SMU, Tulsa and Tulane go to the MWC. At that point, I can definitely see Navy saying goodbye but thats a perfect storm.

I still think theres a chance we only lose 1 or 2. The talk of a combo of CSU and BYU is gaining steam.

(07-26-2016 12:34 PM)chess Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 03:52 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 07:24 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  With east/west divisions....isn't that the most likely outcome?

I would actively campaign to get ECU out of an AAC/MWC merger of remaining teams.

Why? ECU want access to the college football playoff. That is all that matters.

AAC/MWC merger doesn't provide access to playoff if the AAC loses 4.

(07-28-2016 02:17 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-26-2016 12:34 PM)chess Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 03:52 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 07:24 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  With east/west divisions....isn't that the most likely outcome?

I would actively campaign to get ECU out of an AAC/MWC merger of remaining teams.

Why? ECU want access to the college football playoff. That is all that matters.

AAC/MWC merger doesn't provide access to playoff if the AAC loses 4.

How so? We would still have the G5 NYE access and if a team runs the table with wins over Boise State and some decent OOC wins, how would they not have a seat at the table for playoff consideration?

(07-28-2016 02:23 PM)acc4life Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 02:17 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-26-2016 12:34 PM)chess Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 03:52 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 07:24 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  With east/west divisions....isn't that the most likely outcome?

I would actively campaign to get ECU out of an AAC/MWC merger of remaining teams.

Why? ECU want access to the college football playoff. That is all that matters.

AAC/MWC merger doesn't provide access to playoff if the AAC loses 4.

How so? We would still have the G5 NYE access and if a team runs the table with wins over Boise State and some decent OOC wins, how would they not have a seat at the table for playoff consideration?

0% chance a team from a hypothetical AAC/MWC merger with a 13-0 record and wins over 2-3 P5 programs gets a shot at the playoffs.

(07-28-2016 02:40 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 02:23 PM)acc4life Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 02:17 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-26-2016 12:34 PM)chess Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 03:52 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  I would actively campaign to get ECU out of an AAC/MWC merger of remaining teams.

Why? ECU want access to the college football playoff. That is all that matters.

AAC/MWC merger doesn't provide access to playoff if the AAC loses 4.

How so? We would still have the G5 NYE access and if a team runs the table with wins over Boise State and some decent OOC wins, how would they not have a seat at the table for playoff consideration?

0% chance a team from a hypothetical AAC/MWC merger with a 13-0 record and wins over 2-3 P5 programs gets a shot at the playoffs.

I disagree. Last year the AAC ended up with Navy, Temple, USF and Houston all having amazing years and national attention. Out of those, only Houston seems to be leaving for the Big 12. Those three can continue to build and in a merger, I can see Boise getting back toward the top again. CSU and Air Force are always strong and other teams will make runs.

Any conference can build and become respectable. The AAC was supposed to wither and die... and yet weve made a compelling case to be considered as nearly P5 if not truly P5.

I think a merged conference would end up getting alot of time slots due to tomezones and sheer volume of content. We can build again.

(07-29-2016 08:25 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 02:40 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 02:23 PM)acc4life Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 02:17 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-26-2016 12:34 PM)chess Wrote:  Why? ECU want access to the college football playoff. That is all that matters.

AAC/MWC merger doesn't provide access to playoff if the AAC loses 4.

How so? We would still have the G5 NYE access and if a team runs the table with wins over Boise State and some decent OOC wins, how would they not have a seat at the table for playoff consideration?

0% chance a team from a hypothetical AAC/MWC merger with a 13-0 record and wins over 2-3 P5 programs gets a shot at the playoffs.

I disagree. Last year the AAC ended up with Navy, Temple, USF and Houston all having amazing years and national attention. Out of those, only Houston seems to be leaving for the Big 12. Those three can continue to build and in a merger, I can see Boise getting back toward the top again. CSU and Air Force are always strong and other teams will make runs.

Any conference can build and become respectable. The AAC was supposed to wither and die... and yet weve made a compelling case to be considered as nearly P5 if not truly P5.

I think a merged conference would end up getting alot of time slots due to tomezones and sheer volume of content. We can build again.

And what was the argument used against them? Strength of schedule. There isn't enough meat on the bone to satisfy the CFP requirements unless each AAC/MWC teams is playing and winning 3 of 4 OOC games against the P5 each year and going 8-0 or 7-1 in conference with a CCG. No team in the AAC or MWC has a strong enough OOC between now and 2024 to garner consideration for the CFP unless one team manages to run the table 3-4 years straight.

Something like this may be an answer.

(07-29-2016 10:31 AM)chess Wrote:  Something like this may be an answer.

The P5 would love it. There would be such a wide divide between them and the rest that their place at the table would never be threatened.

(07-28-2016 02:40 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 02:23 PM)acc4life Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 02:17 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-26-2016 12:34 PM)chess Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 03:52 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  I would actively campaign to get ECU out of an AAC/MWC merger of remaining teams.

Why? ECU want access to the college football playoff. That is all that matters.

AAC/MWC merger doesn't provide access to playoff if the AAC loses 4.

How so? We would still have the G5 NYE access and if a team runs the table with wins over Boise State and some decent OOC wins, how would they not have a seat at the table for playoff consideration?

0% chance a team from a hypothetical AAC/MWC merger with a 13-0 record and wins over 2-3 P5 programs gets a shot at the playoffs.

Disagree. Boise was close to the title game in the BCS. Houston was close to the playoff last year if they could've stayed undefeated.

If a team from the AAC or the MWC goes undefeated with 2 or 3 P5 wins they will get consideration.

It will get even better consideration when the playoff goes to 8 which it will.

(07-29-2016 02:00 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 02:40 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 02:23 PM)acc4life Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 02:17 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(07-26-2016 12:34 PM)chess Wrote:  Why? ECU want access to the college football playoff. That is all that matters.

AAC/MWC merger doesn't provide access to playoff if the AAC loses 4.

How so? We would still have the G5 NYE access and if a team runs the table with wins over Boise State and some decent OOC wins, how would they not have a seat at the table for playoff consideration?

0% chance a team from a hypothetical AAC/MWC merger with a 13-0 record and wins over 2-3 P5 programs gets a shot at the playoffs.

Disagree. Boise was close to the title game in the BCS. Houston was close to the playoff last year if they could've stayed undefeated.

If a team from the AAC or the MWC goes undefeated with 2 or 3 P5 wins they will get consideration.

It will get even better consideration when the playoff goes to 8 which it will.

Not when the top 2 or 3 G5 programs are P5. Just for ***** and giggles lets say it's UH, Cincy, and Memphis, plus BYU. Nobody left in the AAC/MWC merger will have a tough enough conference schedule + OOC to garner enough respect to be considered for the playoff.

MWC is weaker than the current AAC, and removing 2 or 3 of the top AAC programs will only bring the AAC down to MWC level. Combining two weak conferences does not create a stronger one. Now look at OOC scheduling. There is only one team in the AAC that currently has 3 or more P5 programs on the OOC schedule more than once in the next 8 years . I might have missed it, but 0 of the MWC teams have 3 P5 teams scheduled regularly.

Not all P5 opponents are created equal either. What is a great P5 win this year could be considered a 'ugly win' or 'bad loss' the next.

NO AAC/MWC merger team will get in the playoff without at least 42 straight wins in impressive fashion.