(07-25-2016 01:56 PM)XLance Wrote:  Personally I think the decision by the SEC/ESPN to take Missouri was brilliant.
It stopped any movement west for the B1G. Kansas is not strong enough to warrant B1G expansion, and I don't believe that the B1G really wants Oklahoma. Why? NO PEOPLE. The B1G network is predicated on PEOPLE, eyeballs, cable subscribers. Neither Kansas nor Oklahoma can come close to the State Average population of any other B1G states.

The only expansion move the B1G has left is to jump down to try to get Texas.
That is why it's important to be prepared to offer Texas a partial to either the SEC or the ACC. If Texas is taken "off of the table", then the B1G is stymied for at least 20 years, with their only option being a merger with the PAC, which would still leave the ACC/SEC with most of the college sports loving population AND the best product.

It was a brilliant move logistically. Oklahoma to the SEC sets that in concrete. There is no way in hell that Texas heads to the Big 10 if A&M and OU are in the SEC. They might well thumb their noses at us, but if they do the only way they stay relevant is by moving to the ACC where they can claim it is about academics and yet adopt a schedule that keeps OU in play as a cross conference game with ESPN holding both ends of the revenue, and playing as a partial to keep all of those in state games on the schedule.

(07-25-2016 01:56 PM)XLance Wrote:  Personally I think the decision by the SEC/ESPN to take Missouri was brilliant.
It stopped any movement west for the B1G. Kansas is not strong enough to warrant B1G expansion, and I don't believe that the B1G really wants Oklahoma. Why? NO PEOPLE. The B1G network is predicated on PEOPLE, eyeballs, cable subscribers. Neither Kansas nor Oklahoma can come close to the State Average population of any other B1G states.

The only expansion move the B1G has left is to jump down to try to get Texas.
That is why it's important to be prepared to offer Texas a partial to either the SEC or the ACC. If Texas is taken "off of the table", then the B1G is stymied for at least 20 years, with their only option being a merger with the PAC, which would still leave the ACC/SEC with most of the college sports loving population AND the best product.

I may be wrong, but I don't think Texas would go to the B1G anyway. They are located so far from the core of that conference. Even their closest division rivals would be a good trip. That and with the B1G's 9 game schedule, they would have to give up virtually every regional rival.

I think the SEC giving anyone partial membership is a non-starter.

(07-25-2016 04:11 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Vandiver consider the following:
1. Message board posters are usually not your BMD's, professors, or even necessarily graduates of the school.

Conceded. But such posters do make up the tailgaters, general admission fans, tv viewers and merch buyers. Said posters point to the mariginally compelling schedule as the main reason why a move is needed. They, much like with A&M will be a factor that is considered.

Quote: 2. The SEC wants games in Dallas!!! It's huge exposure for our recruiting, especially for Western Division schools. Jerry Jones has been very congenial towards the SEC and we in all likelihood will wind up with two branches of the SECN studio. One in Dallas and one in Charlotte.

And if the Sooners can find a team that is willing to play in Jerry's World annually then so be it. My concern is that there are only two schools that the Sooners would want for their opponent and they both are already locked up in such a game already. I have this nagging suspicion that the Sooners would appeal to Sankey to wrestle up an opponent for them.

Quote: 3. Oklahoma is a content multiplier. They will add to the SEC's bottom line in major ways and should they bring along another brand with them then Alabama and Auburn will likely move back to the East and that alone for old line SEC folks would be sweet. For fans the travel would be closer, the divisional play even more fierce and games like Tennessee and Georgia would be annuals again. The only ones to suffer would be Kentucky, Vanderbilt and possibly South Carolina.

Trust me, I'd love for the Vols to play Auburn on a regular basis again. But want to ensure the SEC does right by the MS schools and I don't know if throwing them into the B12 lite does that (LSU won't care as they dream of division w/o 'Bama)

Quote:4. Oklahoma without Texas elevates A&M in their own state even more. It distances Texas from prominence.

I honestly don't know enough about this to comment.

Quote:5. Oklahoma would place 8th in the SEC in academics. They are above average for sports and right at the mean for academics in this conference. The people that count know that.

I know that and you know that but Boren and other BMD's seems to think the OU has the near term potential to be UVa and going to the SEC wouldn't allow those dreams to be realized.

Despite a heartbreaking loss last year, I enjoyed the Vols series with the Sooners and on a pure football and fan basis wouldn't mind them as a member. But it appears that OU wants to use conference affiliation for something more than athletics. That has never been what the SEC is about.

Since we're all crazy here, how about wild and crazy Monday? It's totally unpredictable around here!!!

At the end of the Big 12 GOR, how about the SEC invite Oklahoma, Kansas, TCU, and West Virginia

OU = elite brand with national following

KU = strong regional brand, AAU, national following for basketball

TCU = emerging brand in the heart of DFW, I think the SEC would like to have games there every other week

WVU = strong regional brand, penetration into Mid-Atlantic

(07-25-2016 01:56 PM)XLance Wrote:  Personally I think the decision by the SEC/ESPN to take Missouri was brilliant.
It stopped any movement west for the B1G. Kansas is not strong enough to warrant B1G expansion, and I don't believe that the B1G really wants Oklahoma. Why? NO PEOPLE. The B1G network is predicated on PEOPLE, eyeballs, cable subscribers. Neither Kansas nor Oklahoma can come close to the State Average population of any other B1G states.

The only expansion move the B1G has left is to jump down to try to get Texas.
That is why it's important to be prepared to offer Texas a partial to either the SEC or the ACC. If Texas is taken "off of the table", then the B1G is stymied for at least 20 years, with their only option being a merger with the PAC, which would still leave the ACC/SEC with most of the college sports loving population AND the best product.

B1G expansion was halted by the bolded more than anything. Mizzou for the SEC is a very populous state. For the B1G, it was effectively Indiana. Getting the 'Huskers was predicated on the idea that they were picking up a school that had national prominence. But those are halcyon days past for NU. The idea of Texas to the B1G has always been a specious proposition IMO. Frank the Tank uses the mantra 'think like a university president' when it comes to realignment, but there are always mitigating circumstances. For the Longhorns the question is whether the B1G money and academic prestige is worth going down the same road that Nebraska is currently on.

Austin might try to keep it weird, but Longhorn football fans and their Big Cigars have a general expectation of what Texas' schedule should look like. And it doesn't include the likes of Wisky, Iowa, NU, NW and Illinois. The same could be said for the P12 and the SEC without the addition of some travel partners. For Texas, they either need to figure out a way to save the B12 or work out a crack deal with the ACC. Any other decision I think leads to a gradual marginalization that JR mentioned.

(07-25-2016 05:45 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Since we're all crazy here, how about wild and crazy Monday? It's totally unpredictable around here!!!

At the end of the Big 12 GOR, how about the SEC invite Oklahoma, Kansas, TCU, and West Virginia

OU = elite brand with national following

KU = strong regional brand, AAU, national following for basketball

TCU = emerging brand in the heart of DFW, I think the SEC would like to have games there every other week

WVU = strong regional brand, penetration into Mid-Atlantic

well that would certainly screw Texas...