The reason why Trump is able to get away with what he did is because of the very idiots in this thread. they don't care about the truth, they just want to to hear what agrees with their opinions. no matter how misleading or how weak a talking point is, they will defend it anyways.

(07-23-2016 11:35 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:30 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:24 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:22 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:21 AM)john01992 Wrote:  when facts are accurate but highly misleading and distort the truth...yes.

how can that be acceptable for anyone?

What Hillary said was not accurate. How can that be acceptable to you?

I thought we were talking about what trump said?

seriously, how come libs get called out for deflecting but it's perfectly acceptable for you.

are you unwilling to talk about the Trump speech because this issue is so indefensible for you?

if you are completely unwilling to discuss the first part of your last post, either admit you are a troll or shut the hell up.

Its not deflecting when you come on here and admit what Trump said was true, but then try to spin it as if it was misleading. Its either true or not.

It was true.

You, on the other hand, are a hypocrite because you want to act all butthurt when Trump presents facts you hate, but are silent when Hillary is proven to be a liar.

If you want to be the forum truth police, yo uhave to acknowledge when facts are true (Trumps Speech) and acknowledge when someone is a liar (Hillary).

Otherwise, why are you even participating. We have enough lefty loons pimping the Hillary lies and fluffing the Obama failures as it is.

Oh, and you know the left wing rags are especially butthurt when the only fact they shot down of Trumps was because they changed what Trump said in order to shoot it down. But desperate times calls for desperate measures.

if you are unwilling to admit that people can take selectively picked stats to paint a misleading picture, then you are too dumb to have a conversation with.

the fact that you keep trying to bring clinton into the discussion is proof that you can't defend Trump.

If you have an actual point, show me specifically what statistics in Trumps speech were not true. Man up. Do it.

(07-23-2016 11:38 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:35 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:30 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:24 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:22 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  What Hillary said was not accurate. How can that be acceptable to you?

I thought we were talking about what trump said?

seriously, how come libs get called out for deflecting but it's perfectly acceptable for you.

are you unwilling to talk about the Trump speech because this issue is so indefensible for you?

if you are completely unwilling to discuss the first part of your last post, either admit you are a troll or shut the hell up.

Its not deflecting when you come on here and admit what Trump said was true, but then try to spin it as if it was misleading. Its either true or not.

It was true.

You, on the other hand, are a hypocrite because you want to act all butthurt when Trump presents facts you hate, but are silent when Hillary is proven to be a liar.

If you want to be the forum truth police, yo uhave to acknowledge when facts are true (Trumps Speech) and acknowledge when someone is a liar (Hillary).

Otherwise, why are you even participating. We have enough lefty loons pimping the Hillary lies and fluffing the Obama failures as it is.

Oh, and you know the left wing rags are especially butthurt when the only fact they shot down of Trumps was because they changed what Trump said in order to shoot it down. But desperate times calls for desperate measures.

if you are unwilling to admit that people can take selectively picked stats to paint a misleading picture, then you are too dumb to have a conversation with.

the fact that you keep trying to bring clinton into the discussion is proof that you can't defend Trump.

If you have an actual point, show me specifically what statistics in Trumps speech were not true. Man up. Do it.

ironic given how you stubborning refuse to admit that facts can be used to paint a misleading picture.

(07-23-2016 11:40 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:38 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:35 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:30 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:24 AM)john01992 Wrote:  I thought we were talking about what trump said?

seriously, how come libs get called out for deflecting but it's perfectly acceptable for you.

are you unwilling to talk about the Trump speech because this issue is so indefensible for you?

if you are completely unwilling to discuss the first part of your last post, either admit you are a troll or shut the hell up.

Its not deflecting when you come on here and admit what Trump said was true, but then try to spin it as if it was misleading. Its either true or not.

It was true.

You, on the other hand, are a hypocrite because you want to act all butthurt when Trump presents facts you hate, but are silent when Hillary is proven to be a liar.

If you want to be the forum truth police, yo uhave to acknowledge when facts are true (Trumps Speech) and acknowledge when someone is a liar (Hillary).

Otherwise, why are you even participating. We have enough lefty loons pimping the Hillary lies and fluffing the Obama failures as it is.

Oh, and you know the left wing rags are especially butthurt when the only fact they shot down of Trumps was because they changed what Trump said in order to shoot it down. But desperate times calls for desperate measures.

if you are unwilling to admit that people can take selectively picked stats to paint a misleading picture, then you are too dumb to have a conversation with.

the fact that you keep trying to bring clinton into the discussion is proof that you can't defend Trump.

If you have an actual point, show me specifically what statistics in Trumps speech were not true. Man up. Do it.

ironic given how you stubborning refuse to admit that facts can be used to paint a misleading picture.

swing and a miss.

come on. do it. show me one of those stats that arent true.

(07-23-2016 11:53 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:40 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:38 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:35 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:30 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Its not deflecting when you come on here and admit what Trump said was true, but then try to spin it as if it was misleading. Its either true or not.

It was true.

You, on the other hand, are a hypocrite because you want to act all butthurt when Trump presents facts you hate, but are silent when Hillary is proven to be a liar.

If you want to be the forum truth police, yo uhave to acknowledge when facts are true (Trumps Speech) and acknowledge when someone is a liar (Hillary).

Otherwise, why are you even participating. We have enough lefty loons pimping the Hillary lies and fluffing the Obama failures as it is.

Oh, and you know the left wing rags are especially butthurt when the only fact they shot down of Trumps was because they changed what Trump said in order to shoot it down. But desperate times calls for desperate measures.

if you are unwilling to admit that people can take selectively picked stats to paint a misleading picture, then you are too dumb to have a conversation with.

the fact that you keep trying to bring clinton into the discussion is proof that you can't defend Trump.

If you have an actual point, show me specifically what statistics in Trumps speech were not true. Man up. Do it.

ironic given how you stubborning refuse to admit that facts can be used to paint a misleading picture.

swing and a miss.

come on. do it. show me one of those stats that arent true.

you are a total idiot. the issue is not whether or not the stats trump stated are true. the issue is that those stats are selectively picked and distort the reality. I have said this over and over again and you refuse to admit this. in fact you refuse to even listen to what I have to say.

the fact that you are unwilling to acknowledge this and consistently fall back on the "what stat did trump say is untrue" talking point is proof that you are either too dumb to have a reasonable conversation with, or too partisan to think about this in a way that isn't dumb.

crime rates have been decreasing for awhile now, have decreased under Obama, and are at historic lows.

(07-23-2016 12:13 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:53 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:40 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:38 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:35 AM)john01992 Wrote:  if you are unwilling to admit that people can take selectively picked stats to paint a misleading picture, then you are too dumb to have a conversation with.

the fact that you keep trying to bring clinton into the discussion is proof that you can't defend Trump.

If you have an actual point, show me specifically what statistics in Trumps speech were not true. Man up. Do it.

ironic given how you stubborning refuse to admit that facts can be used to paint a misleading picture.

swing and a miss.

come on. do it. show me one of those stats that arent true.

you are a total idiot. the issue is not whether or not the stats trump stated are true. the issue is that those stats are selectively picked and distort the reality. I have said this over and over again and you refuse to admit this. in fact you refuse to even listen to what I have to say.

the fact that you are unwilling to acknowledge this and consistently fall back on the "what stat did trump say is untrue" talking point is proof that you are either too dumb to have a reasonable conversation with, or too partisan to think about this in a way that isn't dumb.

crime rates have been decreasing for awhile now, have decreased under Obama, and are at historic lows.

So you are basically admitting that the stats that Trump said were true? If not, tell me which one wasnt.

(07-23-2016 12:25 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 12:13 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:53 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:40 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:38 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  If you have an actual point, show me specifically what statistics in Trumps speech were not true. Man up. Do it.

ironic given how you stubborning refuse to admit that facts can be used to paint a misleading picture.

swing and a miss.

come on. do it. show me one of those stats that arent true.

you are a total idiot. the issue is not whether or not the stats trump stated are true. the issue is that those stats are selectively picked and distort the reality. I have said this over and over again and you refuse to admit this. in fact you refuse to even listen to what I have to say.

the fact that you are unwilling to acknowledge this and consistently fall back on the "what stat did trump say is untrue" talking point is proof that you are either too dumb to have a reasonable conversation with, or too partisan to think about this in a way that isn't dumb.

crime rates have been decreasing for awhile now, have decreased under Obama, and are at historic lows.

So you are basically admitting that the stats that Trump said were true? If not, tell me which one wasnt.

They were totally true and very misleading.

(07-23-2016 12:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 12:25 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 12:13 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:53 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:40 AM)john01992 Wrote:  ironic given how you stubborning refuse to admit that facts can be used to paint a misleading picture.

swing and a miss.

come on. do it. show me one of those stats that arent true.

you are a total idiot. the issue is not whether or not the stats trump stated are true. the issue is that those stats are selectively picked and distort the reality. I have said this over and over again and you refuse to admit this. in fact you refuse to even listen to what I have to say.

the fact that you are unwilling to acknowledge this and consistently fall back on the "what stat did trump say is untrue" talking point is proof that you are either too dumb to have a reasonable conversation with, or too partisan to think about this in a way that isn't dumb.

crime rates have been decreasing for awhile now, have decreased under Obama, and are at historic lows.

So you are basically admitting that the stats that Trump said were true? If not, tell me which one wasnt.

They were totally true and very misleading.

So when Trump talks about the murders of those in Chicago, you are saying its true, but misleading. In what way? Were they murdered in a misleading way?

(07-23-2016 12:25 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 12:13 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:53 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:40 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:38 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  If you have an actual point, show me specifically what statistics in Trumps speech were not true. Man up. Do it.

ironic given how you stubborning refuse to admit that facts can be used to paint a misleading picture.

swing and a miss.

come on. do it. show me one of those stats that arent true.

you are a total idiot. the issue is not whether or not the stats trump stated are true. the issue is that those stats are selectively picked and distort the reality. I have said this over and over again and you refuse to admit this. in fact you refuse to even listen to what I have to say.

the fact that you are unwilling to acknowledge this and consistently fall back on the "what stat did trump say is untrue" talking point is proof that you are either too dumb to have a reasonable conversation with, or too partisan to think about this in a way that isn't dumb.

crime rates have been decreasing for awhile now, have decreased under Obama, and are at historic lows.

So you are basically admitting that the stats that Trump said were true? If not, tell me which one wasnt.

the stats are true but misleading. how the hell did you not figure out that is what I am saying?

republicans: This one stat is true.

liberals: here are 100 stats that explain why your stat is true but misleading of the overall issue.

republicans: doesn't matter, that one stat is true and that's all i care about.

(07-23-2016 12:32 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 12:25 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 12:13 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:53 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:40 AM)john01992 Wrote:  ironic given how you stubborning refuse to admit that facts can be used to paint a misleading picture.

swing and a miss.

come on. do it. show me one of those stats that arent true.

you are a total idiot. the issue is not whether or not the stats trump stated are true. the issue is that those stats are selectively picked and distort the reality. I have said this over and over again and you refuse to admit this. in fact you refuse to even listen to what I have to say.

the fact that you are unwilling to acknowledge this and consistently fall back on the "what stat did trump say is untrue" talking point is proof that you are either too dumb to have a reasonable conversation with, or too partisan to think about this in a way that isn't dumb.

crime rates have been decreasing for awhile now, have decreased under Obama, and are at historic lows.

So you are basically admitting that the stats that Trump said were true? If not, tell me which one wasnt.

the stats are true but misleading. how the hell did you not figure out that is what I am saying?

republicans: This one stat is true.

liberals: here are 100 stats that explain why your stat is true but misleading of the overall issue.

republicans: doesn't matter, that one stat is true and that's all i care about.

pick ONE STAT that you now admit is true, and explain how it is misleading.

(07-23-2016 12:30 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 12:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 12:25 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 12:13 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:53 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  swing and a miss.

come on. do it. show me one of those stats that arent true.

you are a total idiot. the issue is not whether or not the stats trump stated are true. the issue is that those stats are selectively picked and distort the reality. I have said this over and over again and you refuse to admit this. in fact you refuse to even listen to what I have to say.

the fact that you are unwilling to acknowledge this and consistently fall back on the "what stat did trump say is untrue" talking point is proof that you are either too dumb to have a reasonable conversation with, or too partisan to think about this in a way that isn't dumb.

crime rates have been decreasing for awhile now, have decreased under Obama, and are at historic lows.

So you are basically admitting that the stats that Trump said were true? If not, tell me which one wasnt.

They were totally true and very misleading.

So when Trump talks about the murders of those in Chicago, you are saying its true, but misleading. In what way? Were they murdered in a misleading way?

man you really are a piece of work.

The Lib butthurt and deflection in this thread is epic.

(07-23-2016 11:27 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:23 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:22 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  His speech was great.

And accurate. And truthful.

It didnt help that Obama was giving a lecture on how all of the "doom and gloom" didnt "jive" with reality, just as another terrorist attack was occurring.

partisan idiocy on full display with your comment.

crime rates are at historic lows and fell 15% under Obama. first generation immigrants both documented and undocumented commit crime at rates lower than those born in the USA.

that's the reality. that is the full picture.

No, that's not the full picture. The full picture would include what Trump stated.

(07-23-2016 11:35 AM)john01992 Wrote:  if you are unwilling to admit that people can take selectively picked stats to paint a misleading picture, then you are too dumb to have a conversation with.

Like the example from you In my last reply.

(07-23-2016 12:30 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 12:27 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 12:25 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 12:13 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:53 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  swing and a miss.

come on. do it. show me one of those stats that arent true.

you are a total idiot. the issue is not whether or not the stats trump stated are true. the issue is that those stats are selectively picked and distort the reality. I have said this over and over again and you refuse to admit this. in fact you refuse to even listen to what I have to say.

the fact that you are unwilling to acknowledge this and consistently fall back on the "what stat did trump say is untrue" talking point is proof that you are either too dumb to have a reasonable conversation with, or too partisan to think about this in a way that isn't dumb.

crime rates have been decreasing for awhile now, have decreased under Obama, and are at historic lows.

So you are basically admitting that the stats that Trump said were true? If not, tell me which one wasnt.

They were totally true and very misleading.

So when Trump talks about the murders of those in Chicago, you are saying its true, but misleading. In what way? Were they murdered in a misleading way?

I wasnt talking about the murders in Chicago. I was talking about his crime stats.

johns having a hard time finding one of the true facts that trump said, and spinning it in a way that could be construed as misleading.

waiting. snowflake. we're waiting......

(07-23-2016 12:34 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 12:32 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 12:25 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 12:13 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:53 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  swing and a miss.

come on. do it. show me one of those stats that arent true.

you are a total idiot. the issue is not whether or not the stats trump stated are true. the issue is that those stats are selectively picked and distort the reality. I have said this over and over again and you refuse to admit this. in fact you refuse to even listen to what I have to say.

the fact that you are unwilling to acknowledge this and consistently fall back on the "what stat did trump say is untrue" talking point is proof that you are either too dumb to have a reasonable conversation with, or too partisan to think about this in a way that isn't dumb.

crime rates have been decreasing for awhile now, have decreased under Obama, and are at historic lows.

So you are basically admitting that the stats that Trump said were true? If not, tell me which one wasnt.

the stats are true but misleading. how the hell did you not figure out that is what I am saying?

republicans: This one stat is true.

liberals: here are 100 stats that explain why your stat is true but misleading of the overall issue.

republicans: doesn't matter, that one stat is true and that's all i care about.

pick ONE STAT that you now admit is true, and explain how it is misleading.

you are a troll. if you can't admit that using selective stats can paint a misleading picture of something. you are stupid.

in fact you are so stupid that I have had to waste half a dozen posts slowly holding your hand, coddling you, trying to get you to understand such a basic concept that a 4th grader would understand. all you have to show for it is retarded/troll comments either misrepresenting what I am saying or making painfully slow inches toward understanding a concept that a 4th grader should be able to understand.

I entered this thread calling people like yourself who deny the obvious as the biggest problem with america. it is pathetic that people like yourself put partisanship over logic. politicans will continue to get away doing what trump did is because people like yourself don't care about the truth. a true fact =/= "the truth" when 100 other true facts paint a far different picture of what is going on.

only idiots try to pin up a single stat as the end all be all. only those on the losing side of an argument try to pin up a single stat as the end all be all.

crime rates are at historic lows. that is "the truth."

(07-23-2016 10:33 AM)john01992 Wrote:  The posters on this thread are pathetic.

(07-23-2016 11:24 AM)john01992 Wrote:  admit you are a troll or shut the hell up.

(07-23-2016 11:35 AM)john01992 Wrote:  you are too dumb to have a conversation with.

(07-23-2016 12:13 PM)john01992 Wrote:  you are a total idiot.

That's some strong cognitive argument there. We should treat John's opinions with more respect, because they are obviously presented with a great deal of reason and deliberation.

So Trump said as overall crime rates have fallen, in x number of cities rates have gone up.

I'm really having a hard time figuring out what john has a problem with. He gave both stats and john is complaining that he gave one and without the other, it's misleading.

I'll just assume john didn't hear him speak. Maybe got some misleading sound-bite from some partisan leftwing blog, twit, feed or whatever.

(07-23-2016 12:43 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 11:35 AM)john01992 Wrote:  if you are unwilling to admit that people can take selectively picked stats to paint a misleading picture, then you are too dumb to have a conversation with.

Like the example from you In my last reply.

oh great our "I will deny gravity exists" guy is here. i was about to check out of this conversation because the cons on here were being too brain dead stupid to make it worth my time to play with them. but I'll bite with a single post.

how is trump using an incredibly narrowed stat of one type of violent crime, in one type of demographic (large cities), and in a single year in any way considered less or equally selective than what I said which was all types of violent crime, in all years, in all parts of the country?

(this will be interesting)

I will add the majority of non-violent crime into the mix as well.