(09-01-2016 01:00 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 12:05 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  NIU, E Carolina, San Diego St and UNLV eliminated

Thank god, maybe we can stop hearing about some of this for a while.

Not if davidst can help it!

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(09-01-2016 01:00 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 12:05 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  NIU, E Carolina, San Diego St and UNLV eliminated

Thank god, maybe we can stop hearing about some of this for a while.

No such luck, one, two or three American schools could be taken, which just heats up speculation on what the American does.

(09-01-2016 04:54 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  No such luck, one, two or three American schools could be taken, which just heats up speculation on what the American does.

...and whether other schools are even interested.

Buffalo and Marshall have both made it pretty clear in the past week or so that they aren't interested in the American.

(09-01-2016 05:33 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 04:54 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  No such luck, one, two or three American schools could be taken, which just heats up speculation on what the American does.

...and whether other schools are even interested.

Buffalo and Marshall have both made it pretty clear in the past week or so that they aren't interested in the American.

An American in its current $47 million per school budget form.

UConn and Memphis have two of the largest budgets. If they were to go the resource differential wouldn't be as extreme.

What I'm hearing more is a "show me" factor where the Buffalo's and Marshall's need to see $$$ from that TV deal before they'll jump in.

(09-01-2016 06:34 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  What I'm hearing more is a "show me" factor where the Buffalo's and Marshall's need to see $$$ from that TV deal before they'll jump in.

That's not how I read these stories.

http://campuswatch.buffalonews.com/2016/...erence-ub/

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/ma...781a1.html

(09-01-2016 06:45 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 06:34 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  What I'm hearing more is a "show me" factor where the Buffalo's and Marshall's need to see $$$ from that TV deal before they'll jump in.

That's not how I read these stories.

http://campuswatch.buffalonews.com/2016/...erence-ub/

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/ma...781a1.html

The Marshall story says CUSA is working well for us and we may not push hard in getting into the AAC.

The Buffalo story says the AAC budgets are a lot bigger and that has to be considered.

If the AAC lost UH, UM, UC, UConn and made a pitch to Buffalo, Ohio, ODU, Marshall to be in a regional conference with Temple, Navy and ECU I don't doubt it being considered by Marshall/Buffalo/ODU/Ohio.

Budgets for the AAC would get a boost from new revenues. They don't have to go all the way up to $47 million but maybe at least $35 million to compete on salaries. They don't have to pay the highest salaries either in the AAC.

With August now gone we don't even know if the B12 will even expand at this point anyways, or if they do the AAC will feel compelled to make replacements.

(09-01-2016 08:24 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  If the AAC lost UH, UM, UC, UConn and made a pitch to Buffalo, Ohio, ODU, Marshall to be in a regional conference with Temple, Navy and ECU

That's quite a lot of "ifs" right there.

(09-02-2016 08:58 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 08:24 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  If the AAC lost UH, UM, UC, UConn and made a pitch to Buffalo, Ohio, ODU, Marshall to be in a regional conference with Temple, Navy and ECU

That's quite a lot of "ifs" right there.

It is.

Memphis is out of the B12 running which changes some of the calculus for the AAC IMO because moving forward AAC BB stays strong.

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/a...n-41835280

I think USF has taken Memphis spot as the #4 AAC school to hit the doors for the B12. That clears the way for UCF to go in either division.

Suppose the AAC tried this:

-Southern Miss (36k Stadium, rival for Tulane)
-Buffalo (good hoops, rival for Temple)
-Marshall (38k stadium, TV draw)
-Ohio (good hoops, rival for Marshall)

AAC East: Buffalo, Temple, ECU, UCF, Marshall, Ohio
AAC West: Memphis, So Miss, Tulane, SMU, Tulsa, Navy

I like having 3 former division mates in Temple, UCF and Marshall back in the conference.

FB wise its not too different than what the AAC has currently with UH/UC/USF/UConn in there. Basketball is a different story but would still be better than the MAC. Easier to get home games in basketball.

(09-02-2016 07:04 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 08:58 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 08:24 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  If the AAC lost UH, UM, UC, UConn and made a pitch to Buffalo, Ohio, ODU, Marshall to be in a regional conference with Temple, Navy and ECU

That's quite a lot of "ifs" right there.

It is.

Memphis is out of the B12 running which changes some of the calculus for the AAC IMO because moving forward AAC BB stays strong.

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/a...n-41835280

I think USF has taken Memphis spot as the #4 AAC school to hit the doors for the B12. That clears the way for UCF to go in either division.

Suppose the AAC tried this:

-Southern Miss (36k Stadium, rival for Tulane)
-Buffalo (good hoops, rival for Temple)
-Marshall (38k stadium, TV draw)
-Ohio (good hoops, rival for Marshall)

AAC East: Buffalo, Temple, ECU, UCF, Marshall, Ohio
AAC West: Memphis, So Miss, Tulane, SMU, Tulsa, Navy

I like having 3 former division mates in Temple, UCF and Marshall back in the conference.

FB wise its not too different than what the AAC has currently with UH/UC/USF/UConn in there. Basketball is a different story but would still be better than the MAC. Easier to get home games in basketball.

Buffalo has already publicly came out saying they aren't interested in leaving the MAC
Marshall also said the same thing about CUSA

Soooo... try again later

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Quote:Greene says the focus is getting more competitive in the MAC.

“The next three to five years, sure, we want to be a leader in the conference,” Greene said. “We want to dominate in areas. But you don’t just dominate. It’s about hiring the right coaches, working with them, making sure they’re recruiting the right student athletes, giving them the resources to be successful and working on the process to make sure we’re getting better. When we do that, the sky’s the limit. We’ve got more potential to blow this thing out of the water than any other school in the league.”

“What makes sense for us?” Greene said. “The MAC makes sense for us. There’s some thought about what would it take for us to move up. No. 1, you’ve got to be attractive. That includes fan exposure and fan engagement. If people don’t come to the games, then that immediately takes you out of being an attraction. It goes hand in hand. The fans out there who suggest we should move up, those people better be at the game.”

http://campuswatch.buffalonews.com/2016/...erence-ub/

Buffalo is saying there is some thought to moving up but they have some work to do.

Moving to the AAC became all that more attractive now that Memphis is staying and if you look at the fact they didn't make the round of 11 cuts they should be staying in the AAC for a long time.

(09-01-2016 08:24 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 06:45 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 06:34 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  What I'm hearing more is a "show me" factor where the Buffalo's and Marshall's need to see $$$ from that TV deal before they'll jump in.

That's not how I read these stories.

http://campuswatch.buffalonews.com/2016/...erence-ub/

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/ma...781a1.html

The Marshall story says CUSA is working well for us and we may not push hard in getting into the AAC.

The Buffalo story says the AAC budgets are a lot bigger and that has to be considered.

If the AAC lost UH, UM, UC, UConn and made a pitch to Buffalo, Ohio, ODU, Marshall to be in a regional conference with Temple, Navy and ECU I don't doubt it being considered by Marshall/Buffalo/ODU/Ohio.

Budgets for the AAC would get a boost from new revenues. They don't have to go all the way up to $47 million but maybe at least $35 million to compete on salaries. They don't have to pay the highest salaries either in the AAC.

With August now gone we don't even know if the B12 will even expand at this point anyways, or if they do the AAC will feel compelled to make replacements.

That's a great point about either the Big 12 or subsequently the American not expanding. The American has hinted that if they only lose one member (Big 12 only takes two with BYU as one of them), they probably won't expand, or maybe take a football-only member to even out. I'm guessing UMass would jump at that.

(09-02-2016 09:52 PM)PK_UToledo Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 08:24 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 06:45 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 06:34 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  What I'm hearing more is a "show me" factor where the Buffalo's and Marshall's need to see $$$ from that TV deal before they'll jump in.

That's not how I read these stories.

http://campuswatch.buffalonews.com/2016/...erence-ub/

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/ma...781a1.html

The Marshall story says CUSA is working well for us and we may not push hard in getting into the AAC.

The Buffalo story says the AAC budgets are a lot bigger and that has to be considered.

If the AAC lost UH, UM, UC, UConn and made a pitch to Buffalo, Ohio, ODU, Marshall to be in a regional conference with Temple, Navy and ECU I don't doubt it being considered by Marshall/Buffalo/ODU/Ohio.

Budgets for the AAC would get a boost from new revenues. They don't have to go all the way up to $47 million but maybe at least $35 million to compete on salaries. They don't have to pay the highest salaries either in the AAC.

With August now gone we don't even know if the B12 will even expand at this point anyways, or if they do the AAC will feel compelled to make replacements.

That's a great point about either the Big 12 or subsequently the American not expanding. The American has hinted that if they only lose one member (Big 12 only takes two with BYU as one of them), they probably won't expand, or maybe take a football-only member to even out. I'm guessing UMass would jump at that.

Well since Memphis is going to be staying, the WKU-AAC rumors make more sense.

UConn I've heard my go to the ACC for Olympic Sports. Both them and Memphis are the most important members of the AAC for keeping that power conference image.

(09-02-2016 07:04 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 08:58 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 08:24 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  If the AAC lost UH, UM, UC, UConn and made a pitch to Buffalo, Ohio, ODU, Marshall to be in a regional conference with Temple, Navy and ECU

That's quite a lot of "ifs" right there.

It is.

Memphis is out of the B12 running which changes some of the calculus for the AAC IMO because moving forward AAC BB stays strong.

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/a...n-41835280

I think USF has taken Memphis spot as the #4 AAC school to hit the doors for the B12. That clears the way for UCF to go in either division.

Suppose the AAC tried this:

-Southern Miss (36k Stadium, rival for Tulane)
-Buffalo (good hoops, rival for Temple)
-Marshall (38k stadium, TV draw)
-Ohio (good hoops, rival for Marshall)

AAC East: Buffalo, Temple, ECU, UCF, Marshall, Ohio
AAC West: Memphis, So Miss, Tulane, SMU, Tulsa, Navy

I like having 3 former division mates in Temple, UCF and Marshall back in the conference.

FB wise its not too different than what the AAC has currently with UH/UC/USF/UConn in there. Basketball is a different story but would still be better than the MAC. Easier to get home games in basketball.

It's already established that UCF is the #1 pick from FL if they do expand down here. USF's off campus stadium is a massive problem for Big 12 and their history of doing nothing of significance puts them behind UCF.

It also makes a big difference that Orlando is a much bigger airport with more daily connections to cities.

(09-02-2016 07:04 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(09-02-2016 08:58 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 08:24 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  If the AAC lost UH, UM, UC, UConn and made a pitch to Buffalo, Ohio, ODU, Marshall to be in a regional conference with Temple, Navy and ECU

That's quite a lot of "ifs" right there.

It is.

Memphis is out of the B12 running which changes some of the calculus for the AAC IMO because moving forward AAC BB stays strong.

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/a...n-41835280

I think USF has taken Memphis spot as the #4 AAC school to hit the doors for the B12. That clears the way for UCF to go in either division.

Suppose the AAC tried this:

-Southern Miss (36k Stadium, rival for Tulane)
-Buffalo (good hoops, rival for Temple)
-Marshall (38k stadium, TV draw)
-Ohio (good hoops, rival for Marshall)

AAC East: Buffalo, Temple, ECU, UCF, Marshall, Ohio
AAC West: Memphis, So Miss, Tulane, SMU, Tulsa, Navy

I like having 3 former division mates in Temple, UCF and Marshall back in the conference.

FB wise its not too different than what the AAC has currently with UH/UC/USF/UConn in there. Basketball is a different story but would still be better than the MAC. Easier to get home games in basketball.

It's already established that UCF is the #1 pick from FL if they do expand down here. USF's off campus stadium is a massive problem for Big 12 and their history of doing nothing of significance puts them behind UCF.

It also makes a big difference that Orlando is a much bigger airport with more daily connections to cities.