RE: Any chance the PAC 12 decides to add 2 schools?
(07-20-2016 02:51 PM)SMUfan Wrote:
(07-20-2016 01:58 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:
(07-20-2016 12:59 PM)SMUfan Wrote: The PAC 12 might want to jump in front of the BIG 12 and add a couple of schools. Any thoughts?
If the XII sign a GOR for another 10-15 years and the Pac wants to expand these are their only real options.
1. UNLV
2. Hawaii
3. BYU (While holding their noses)
4. Boise St. (While they ignore their academics)
5. New Mexico
The PAC 12 could quickly add Houston and BYU or Boise State.
ROFL. NO way Boise or BYU sniff a PAC invite. You don't understand the PAC if you think BYU has any kind of shot at membership. Stanford, Cal, and USC would blow a gasket over that idea even being brought up. Boise is not at all in the running due to a lack of PHD programs of any kind.
(This post was last modified: 07-20-2016 03:04 PM by billings.)
RE: Any chance the PAC 12 decides to add 2 schools?
(07-20-2016 03:04 PM)billings Wrote:
(07-20-2016 02:51 PM)SMUfan Wrote:
(07-20-2016 01:58 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:
(07-20-2016 12:59 PM)SMUfan Wrote: The PAC 12 might want to jump in front of the BIG 12 and add a couple of schools. Any thoughts?
If the XII sign a GOR for another 10-15 years and the Pac wants to expand these are their only real options.
1. UNLV
2. Hawaii
3. BYU (While holding their noses)
4. Boise St. (While they ignore their academics)
5. New Mexico
The PAC 12 could quickly add Houston and BYU or Boise State.
ROFL. NO way Boise or BYU sniff a PAC invite. You don't understand the PAC if you think BYU has any kind of shot at membership. Stanford, Cal, and USC would blow a gasket over that idea even being brought up. Boise is not at all in the running due to a lack of PHD programs of any kind.
Laugh all you want, but if the PAC wants to add they need to jump and get the best two schools that will also help to get the PAC 12 Network on more broadcasting systems.
Houston would add a large city that would help the PAC 12 Network add another time zone. With the Central Time zone added to the conference it would open up more programing so that the conference could have programing that the East Coast might watch.
RE: Any chance the PAC 12 decides to add 2 schools?
Potential PAC-12 Schools:
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Tulsa
Texas Tech
Texas
Houston
Rice
Tulane
Air Force
New Mexico
UNLV
That is all they usually take an AAU school + a travel partner.
RE: Any chance the PAC 12 decides to add 2 schools?
(07-20-2016 03:28 PM)SMUfan Wrote:
(07-20-2016 03:04 PM)billings Wrote:
(07-20-2016 02:51 PM)SMUfan Wrote:
(07-20-2016 01:58 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:
(07-20-2016 12:59 PM)SMUfan Wrote: The PAC 12 might want to jump in front of the BIG 12 and add a couple of schools. Any thoughts?
If the XII sign a GOR for another 10-15 years and the Pac wants to expand these are their only real options.
1. UNLV
2. Hawaii
3. BYU (While holding their noses)
4. Boise St. (While they ignore their academics)
5. New Mexico
The PAC 12 could quickly add Houston and BYU or Boise State.
ROFL. NO way Boise or BYU sniff a PAC invite. You don't understand the PAC if you think BYU has any kind of shot at membership. Stanford, Cal, and USC would blow a gasket over that idea even being brought up. Boise is not at all in the running due to a lack of PHD programs of any kind.
Laugh all you want, but if the PAC wants to add they need to jump and get the best two schools that will also help to get the PAC 12 Network on more broadcasting systems.
Houston would add a large city that would help the PAC 12 Network add another time zone. With the Central Time zone added to the conference it would open up more programing so that the conference could have programing that the East Coast might watch.
BYU is a University heavily criticized for censoring its professors speech and they are on a AAUP censure list. No way in hell the PAC even looks at them and the kingpins of Stanford and USC would kill it instantly.
The PAC has a heavy investment in schools in the conference joining in academic research partnership. Boise could not even hardly contribute to that with no PHD programs to speak of and such a tiny endowment.
Once again ROFL
Now HAWAII brings a lot to the table and is a long term PAC option as it perhaps UNLV or New Mexico
(This post was last modified: 07-20-2016 03:35 PM by billings.)
RE: Any chance the PAC 12 decides to add 2 schools?
PAC-12 could get Rice and Houston but that is a big gap between schools. They would need Texas and Texas Tech to tag along or New Mexico, Texas Tech, Texas, and Rice for 16.
RE: Any chance the PAC 12 decides to add 2 schools?
(07-20-2016 03:33 PM)billings Wrote:
(07-20-2016 03:28 PM)SMUfan Wrote:
(07-20-2016 03:04 PM)billings Wrote:
(07-20-2016 02:51 PM)SMUfan Wrote:
(07-20-2016 01:58 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote: If the XII sign a GOR for another 10-15 years and the Pac wants to expand these are their only real options.
1. UNLV
2. Hawaii
3. BYU (While holding their noses)
4. Boise St. (While they ignore their academics)
5. New Mexico
The PAC 12 could quickly add Houston and BYU or Boise State.
ROFL. NO way Boise or BYU sniff a PAC invite. You don't understand the PAC if you think BYU has any kind of shot at membership. Stanford, Cal, and USC would blow a gasket over that idea even being brought up. Boise is not at all in the running due to a lack of PHD programs of any kind.
Laugh all you want, but if the PAC wants to add they need to jump and get the best two schools that will also help to get the PAC 12 Network on more broadcasting systems.
Houston would add a large city that would help the PAC 12 Network add another time zone. With the Central Time zone added to the conference it would open up more programing so that the conference could have programing that the East Coast might watch.
BYU is a University heavily criticized for censoring its professors speech and they are on a AAUP censure list. No way in hell the PAC even looks at them and the kingpins of Stanford and USC would kill it instantly.
The PAC has a heavy investment in schools in the conference joining in academic research partnership. Boise could not even hardly contribute to that with no PHD programs to speak of and such a tiny endowment.
Once again ROFL
Now HAWAII brings a lot to the table and is a long term PAC option as it perhaps UNLV or New Mexico
MWC, Big Sky and Big West schools that are listed as research schools:
UNLV
UNR
Hawaii
Utah State
Boise State
San Diego State
New Mexico
Colorado State
Wyoming
Idaho
Montana
Montana State
Northern Colorado
North Dakota
Northern Arizona
Cal.-Davis
Cal. Poly
Boise State was behind schools like Portland State, San Jose State, Fresno State and others, but they are adding PHDs for research department, and a possible medical school to be placed in the city in the future that they could be in charge of.
RE: Any chance the PAC 12 decides to add 2 schools?
Honestly, adding only 2 schools would force the Pac to make some very tough decisions for itself. Mainly because it would then be really difficult to keep everybody happy with the divisional split within the conference.
The current model allows for the following things:
* Every school plays 3 games against teams from CA each year.
* That's true even for the CA schools themselves, which preserve their annual games despite being split across divisions.
* Geographically intuitive models to make the conference easy to follow.
If you add 2 schools to become the Pac-14 the current solutions fall apart. You either:
* Keep the CA schools split but end their yearly cross-over guarantees.
* Keep the CA schools split and keep ensuring their yearly cross-overs, resulting in a very slow 10-year home/away rotation to play all conference opponents.
* Move all CA schools to the same division, while seeing all hell break loose to determine which 3 schools get to join them in that division.
I just don't see any good solutions to that particular alignment problem. Better to just jump straight to 16 or not expand at all.
RE: Any chance the PAC 12 decides to add 2 schools?
UH (the Honolulu one, not the Houston one) needs to grow its endowment by about $500 million if it ever hopes to make a serious case for Pac-12 membership. The school's biggest problem is poor and diminishing institutional support from Hawaii's state government, which basically exists to remove money from the pockets of taxpayers and put it in the pockets of local union workers.
However in many other respects UH is a logical candidate for Pac-12 consideration. It's a state flagship, land grant, sea grant, and space grant university with a business school, law school, medical school, and national cancer institute. UH's research spending is the highest in the MWC and Pac-12 caliber. The athletic facilities (50,000-seat stadium, 10,000-seat basketball arena, 4,000-seat baseball stadium) are aging but serviceable, and fan support is pretty good when an incompetent football coach (Von Appen, Chow) isn't running the program into the ground.
The program also brings a bowl tie-in (Hawaii Bowl) and the expanded NCAA Hawaii exemption that beginning this year will allow teams that play UH in Honolulu to schedule an extra home game the week prior to the beginning of the football regular season. Those are things a conference like the Pac-12 could monetize to a much greater degree than the MWC can.
Last comment in this overly-long post: Thanks to UH's location, Pac-12 football and basketball conference games played on Saturday nights in Honolulu could be broadcast live on Sunday afternoons in Sydney, Melbourne, Hong Kong, Shanghai and Tokyo. Would there be enough of an audience to make that interesting to any television network? I don't know, but I do know 70,000 Australians have bought tickets to watch UH and Cal play a live football game in Sydney next month.
(This post was last modified: 07-21-2016 03:28 AM by HawaiiMongoose.)
RE: Any chance the PAC 12 decides to add 2 schools?
(07-21-2016 03:25 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote: The school's biggest problem is poor and diminishing institutional support from Hawaii's state government, which basically exists to remove money from the pockets of taxpayers and put it in the pockets of local union workers.
RE: Any chance the PAC 12 decides to add 2 schools?
(07-21-2016 02:27 AM)GiveEmTheAxe Wrote: Honestly, adding only 2 schools would force the Pac to make some very tough decisions for itself. Mainly because it would then be really difficult to keep everybody happy with the divisional split within the conference.
The current model allows for the following things:
* Every school plays 3 games against teams from CA each year.
* That's true even for the CA schools themselves, which preserve their annual games despite being split across divisions.
* Geographically intuitive models to make the conference easy to follow.
If you add 2 schools to become the Pac-14 the current solutions fall apart. You either:
* Keep the CA schools split but end their yearly cross-over guarantees.
* Keep the CA schools split and keep ensuring their yearly cross-overs, resulting in a very slow 10-year home/away rotation to play all conference opponents.
* Move all CA schools to the same division, while seeing all hell break loose to determine which 3 schools get to join them in that division.
I just don't see any good solutions to that particular alignment problem. Better to just jump straight to 16 or not expand at all.
I have thought this before. The 4 North Carolina schools in the ACC have 1 that they don't play much at all (Duke/North Carolina St and North Carolina/Wake Forest). Unless the PAC goes to 16, then they'd have to follow this train of thought with probably USC/California and UCLA/Stanford not playing each other often. Because this is potentially an issue, I wonder if the PAC has schools in mind for 13/14 but would rather wait until they have suitable options for 15/16 as well.
RE: Any chance the PAC 12 decides to add 2 schools?
I have always been a fan of the BIG-PAC Conference. That would create a coast to coast conference and both the PAC and BIG would be with their long standing peers and Rose Bowl rivals.
With the possible additions of Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and Notre Dame.
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Any chance the PAC 12 decides to add 2 schools?
