(07-20-2016 09:48 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  Like I've always said, NIU's value comes from the TV side of things and the football quality. Right up there with the rest of the AAC in terms of TV numbers.

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I was impressed with their TV numbers. But they sell less than 5,000 season tickets. Their donation total is awful.

No thanks.

If the AAC loses 2 or more, It will do good to keep the 2 mil TV deal already in place.

There isn't a whole lot to choose from in the replacement pool after you get past Army and the MW schools (who are not likely to join a wounded AAC). After you look at the list, it's obvious the fewer replacements added the better.

(07-20-2016 10:11 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 09:48 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  Like I've always said, NIU's value comes from the TV side of things and the football quality. Right up there with the rest of the AAC in terms of TV numbers.

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I was impressed with their TV numbers. But they sell less than 5,000 season tickets. Their donation total is awful.

No thanks.

The AAC commissioner is a TV guy, I'm sure he sees the value in having access to the Chicago media market for an AAC network. 3rd largest media market nationally untapped by any other G5... would look great for the Thursday night games, watch those ratings soar! It's clear people watch NIU, they just prefer to from home

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(07-20-2016 09:33 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 07:57 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 07:19 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Including bowls. And nonconference road games. Basically everything -- to get a sense of the value of the various brands.

So, just to be clear 20% of Houston's viewers when including ALL games were from a Bowl Game

Yes - 5M watched Houston beat Florida State. You don't think that's meaningful for Houston's brand?

Your point would have made better sense if Florida State had won the game.

In fact, I may go back and only count the ratings for games won. The gap between Houston vs Cincy and UConn should widen, and the gap between Houston and Navy should narrow.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/....html?_r=0

(07-20-2016 09:45 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 09:39 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  I would just go back and eliminate bowls. Having a marquee matchup will definitely help some teams, and on the flip side, the 12 noon game on 12/22 won't have much viewership at all. One game a season shouldn't sway the data so much.

Then you'd have to eliminate high profile non conference games too.

If you start excluding games for one reason or another, then you are left with counting conference games only.

Not really. That's on the team's to schedule. Teams don't have much of a say in bowl offers or opponents.

(07-20-2016 09:33 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 07:57 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 07:19 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Including bowls. And nonconference road games. Basically everything -- to get a sense of the value of the various brands.

So, just to be clear 20% of Houston's viewers when including ALL games were from a Bowl Game

Yes - 5M watched Houston beat Florida State. You don't think that's meaningful for Houston's brand?

Your point would have made better sense if Florida State had won the game.

In fact, I may go back and only count the ratings for games won. The gap between Houston vs Cincy and UConn should widen, and the gap between Houston and Navy should narrow.

Probably considerably. If not for the fact that most everyone watching those games already has allegiances set in stone.

(07-20-2016 10:03 AM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 10:00 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 09:58 AM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  Not really understanding how it isn't fair to include bowl games? Teams who played well and have a good fan base earned the bowl games and opponents they did. Sure Houston benefited from playing FSU in a great bowl but why would that not be included in the numbers? They earned it, that is part of their total package to offer. In the same breath the Army-Navy game is part of the package, it's played every year and people tune in every year. To many college football fans it is a bucket list game to attend. Temple played Notre Dame, you don't think that skewed the numbers? Why don't you take that game out as well. The best way is to display the data as he did originally.

It's a one-year snapshot, similar to a balance sheet, a particular moment in time. We need these numbers for a 3 year average or at least 2 years.

The numbers the original poster listed were a 3 year average. He stated that in the first sentence of the post.....

Might want to re-read. Sum...not average.

(07-20-2016 07:19 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Including bowls. And nonconference road games. Basically everything -- to get a sense of the value of the various brands.

Values ebb and flow based on how well a team is doing as well. I am sure UCF's horrid season last year was more than countered by their 2012 season. The same would hold true for any other team.

Would be interesting to throw out the high and low (record) seasons over the last 10 years to see where a team stands with TV. Might be more indicative of the real value...but that's a ton of work and I'm way too lazy to do it.

Pretty interesting that despite being top 5 in TV audience in the conference, #1 in fanbase size, and #1 in football attendance, ECU is not mentioned anywhere given the criteria the Big 12 outlined.

(07-20-2016 03:00 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Pretty interesting that despite being top 5 in TV audience in the conference, #1 in fanbase size, and #1 in football attendance, ECU is not mentioned anywhere given the criteria the Big 12 outlined.

#1 in fanbase size based on what? In the only study I am aware of ECU is half the size of UConn's football fanbase.

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09...ent-chaos/

(07-20-2016 03:02 PM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:00 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Pretty interesting that despite being top 5 in TV audience in the conference, #1 in fanbase size, and #1 in football attendance, ECU is not mentioned anywhere given the criteria the Big 12 outlined.

#1 in fanbase size based on what? In the only study I am aware of ECU is half the size of UConn's football fanbase.

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09...ent-chaos/

Do you honest to god think UConn has a bigger football fanbase than ECU? Can you say that with a straight face?

(07-20-2016 03:00 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Pretty interesting that despite being top 5 in TV audience in the conference, #1 in fanbase size, and #1 in football attendance, ECU is not mentioned anywhere given the criteria the Big 12 outlined.

All the gibberish they speak about criteria we rank near the top on almost all. All it really is about to them is market size. Even with our viewership, the Greenville area is all they look at no matter how Terry Holland explained that it is not just the Greenville TV market.

(07-20-2016 03:03 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:02 PM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:00 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Pretty interesting that despite being top 5 in TV audience in the conference, #1 in fanbase size, and #1 in football attendance, ECU is not mentioned anywhere given the criteria the Big 12 outlined.

#1 in fanbase size based on what? In the only study I am aware of ECU is half the size of UConn's football fanbase.

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09...ent-chaos/

Do you honest to god think UConn has a bigger football fanbase than ECU? Can you say that with a straight face?

I can't believe that you are saying that ECU does with a straight face. Once again, ECU wins on actual attendance at the stadium, but UConn dwarfs ECU when it comes to people who watch on television and follow the team.

(07-20-2016 03:07 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:03 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:02 PM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:00 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Pretty interesting that despite being top 5 in TV audience in the conference, #1 in fanbase size, and #1 in football attendance, ECU is not mentioned anywhere given the criteria the Big 12 outlined.

#1 in fanbase size based on what? In the only study I am aware of ECU is half the size of UConn's football fanbase.

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09...ent-chaos/

Do you honest to god think UConn has a bigger football fanbase than ECU? Can you say that with a straight face?

I can't believe that you are saying that ECU does with a straight face. Once again, ECU wins on actual attendance at the stadium, but UConn dwarfs ECU when it comes to people who watch on television and follow the team.

Not in football

USF

(07-20-2016 03:36 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:07 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:03 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:02 PM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 03:00 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Pretty interesting that despite being top 5 in TV audience in the conference, #1 in fanbase size, and #1 in football attendance, ECU is not mentioned anywhere given the criteria the Big 12 outlined.

#1 in fanbase size based on what? In the only study I am aware of ECU is half the size of UConn's football fanbase.

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09...ent-chaos/

Do you honest to god think UConn has a bigger football fanbase than ECU? Can you say that with a straight face?

I can't believe that you are saying that ECU does with a straight face. Once again, ECU wins on actual attendance at the stadium, but UConn dwarfs ECU when it comes to people who watch on television and follow the team.

Not in football

Hank Schrader provided an actual link showing you some numbers. Provide a link to disprove it. Opinions aren't based on fact and all you offer right now is an opinion.

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/

I'm not going to argue eyeballs watching TV sets, you can look at the link above, scroll down game by game and average it your self. But if you're going to try to make a point don't reference an article that is 5 years old.

(07-20-2016 05:05 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  I went back and added all the football TV viewers for several G5 schools over the last 3 years at SportsMediaWatch.com. Here is the cumulative total:

1. Navy = 41M
2. UCF = 31M
3. Houston = 25M
4. Cincy = 22M
5. East Carolina = 21M & Temple = 21M
7. UConn = 20M
8. Memphis = 14M
9. USF = 13M & SMU = 13M
11. Tulsa = 12M
12. Tulane = 5M

Based on this year's TV schedule with Houston playing OU on ABC in addition to three Thursday ESPN games, Houston should overtake UCF for 2nd.

Bottom line: Navy coming into the TV package negates, for example, the hypothetical loss of say: Cincy and UConn.

Other schools of note above 10M:

Boise = 39M
BYU = 39M
Army = 23M
Northern Ill = 21M
Fresno = 19M
Utah St = 17M
Bowling Green = 16M
Air Force = 14M
San Diego St = 14M
Marshall = 11M
Toledo = 10M

Looks like BSU and BYU for football only.

(07-20-2016 03:44 PM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/

This doesn't really show me anything. I am not talking about TV numbers for one season (those are dependent on matchups and time slots, so a one season sample isn't adequate). I want to see:
- TV numbers for a historic period (10 years seems fair)
- Total estimated fan base size based on data

Bring it.