(07-21-2016 10:50 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(07-21-2016 09:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-21-2016 08:19 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 06:10 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  Clay Travis ‏@ClayTravis · 8m8 minutes ago

Biggest loser on Big 12 expansion? ESPN & Fox. Each network might have to spend an extra $50 million a year on schools worth $5 million.



http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...candidates

Quote:"It's a forward step, a positive step," said Oklahoma president and board chair David Boren, who has been the most outspoken proponent for Big 12 expansion. "Not yet a decision ... but it shows momentum on the board to consider [expansion] as a possibility."

Boren said expansion by both two and four schools will be on the table moving forward.

Numerous schools have been pitching the Big 12 behind the scenes for months, including American Athletic Conference members Cincinnati Connecticut, Memphis, Houston and Central Florida, along with BYU, Colorado State and others.

"We've been contacted by a number of institutions, and I would imagine after this news breaks we'll be contacted again," Bowlsby said.

This is a gangsta move by the B12. And it is absolute proof of not only a sports media rights bubble but that it will pop in 2025. The ability to expand by up to 4 teams, not have do a GOR extension and increase revenue for the original members puts Bowlsby in the Iron Throne of Conference Commissioners IMO.

I don't agree with H1's theory about where OU goes, but I do think he is going to be spot on in his claim that a big fight would be staged to give UT and OU the cover to dissolve the Big 12. I'll still be shocked if they actually take 2 G5 schools let alone 4. I think Houston will be one of several battle lines designed to create a big enough rancor to blow the conference up.

Several TX politicians including the Gov and Lt Gov endorsed and some even demanded today that Houston be added to the Big 12. UT President Fenves endorsed the idea as well. I think it's happening.

Unless we see OU publicly pick a fight and endorse everything that UT is against then I don't think we're going to see any game played.

From what I understand, the networks are obligated to pay pro rata for new additions. If the new additions take less money then the current 10 members could actually profit from this in the short term.

As for the grand plan here, I'm still not sure UT and OU are planning on leaving in a few years. I need to see what they do with the GOR. That and whether or not they get any legitimate offers for a network. I think it's possible that the networks want to see what an expanded Big 12 looks like before they seriously consider converting the LHN.

I'm still having trouble believing that UT and OU are simply creating a decent home for the little brothers. It makes sense on some level, yes, but if the powers leave then the little brothers will ultimately not be able to keep pace on their own. It's simply a matter of when not if.

To me, it seems a lot easier for everyone if UT and OU simply take a couple of little brothers with them if indeed they are concerned about the secondary schools. That's the only way to guarantee their future. I suppose it is possible, however, that no one wants the little brothers. Perhaps the other power leagues will accept only OU and UT at this point and perhaps not one without the other. If that is true then perhaps we're heading for something very bizarre.

Sure, it's easier if you can find a conference where Texas will make more money, get to bring the little brothers and get to keep their network. I doubt OU has any options that include little brother if it doesn't include Texas. The ACC, maybe. That would be it.

(07-22-2016 12:36 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(07-21-2016 10:50 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Several TX politicians including the Gov and Lt Gov endorsed and some even demanded today that Houston be added to the Big 12. UT President Fenves endorsed the idea as well. I think it's happening.

Unless we see OU publicly pick a fight and endorse everything that UT is against then I don't think we're going to see any game played.

From what I understand, the networks are obligated to pay pro rata for new additions. If the new additions take less money then the current 10 members could actually profit from this in the short term.

As for the grand plan here, I'm still not sure UT and OU are planning on leaving in a few years. I need to see what they do with the GOR. That and whether or not they get any legitimate offers for a network. I think it's possible that the networks want to see what an expanded Big 12 looks like before they seriously consider converting the LHN.

I'm still having trouble believing that UT and OU are simply creating a decent home for the little brothers. It makes sense on some level, yes, but if the powers leave then the little brothers will ultimately not be able to keep pace on their own. It's simply a matter of when not if.

To me, it seems a lot easier for everyone if UT and OU simply take a couple of little brothers with them if indeed they are concerned about the secondary schools. That's the only way to guarantee their future. I suppose it is possible, however, that no one wants the little brothers. Perhaps the other power leagues will accept only OU and UT at this point and perhaps not one without the other. If that is true then perhaps we're heading for something very bizarre.

Look JR, all we know is the B12 is trying to maximize profits for their members and increase the odds of landing a playoff spot.

Everything else is pure speculation because, as Dennis Dodds pointed out, not even the Presidents or Chancellors know what's gonna happen.

I'm not JR

(07-21-2016 10:50 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Several TX politicians including the Gov and Lt Gov endorsed and some even demanded today that Houston be added to the Big 12. UT President Fenves endorsed the idea as well. I think it's happening.

Unless we see OU publicly pick a fight and endorse everything that UT is against then I don't think we're going to see any game played.

From what I understand, the networks are obligated to pay pro rata for new additions. If the new additions take less money then the current 10 members could actually profit from this in the short term.

As for the grand plan here, I'm still not sure UT and OU are planning on leaving in a few years. I need to see what they do with the GOR. That and whether or not they get any legitimate offers for a network. I think it's possible that the networks want to see what an expanded Big 12 looks like before they seriously consider converting the LHN.

I'm still having trouble believing that UT and OU are simply creating a decent home for the little brothers. It makes sense on some level, yes, but if the powers leave then the little brothers will ultimately not be able to keep pace on their own. It's simply a matter of when not if.

To me, it seems a lot easier for everyone if UT and OU simply take a couple of little brothers with them if indeed they are concerned about the secondary schools. That's the only way to guarantee their future. I suppose it is possible, however, that no one wants the little brothers. Perhaps the other power leagues will accept only OU and UT at this point and perhaps not one without the other. If that is true then perhaps we're heading for something very bizarre.

If the B12 goes through with this move what network even bother to answer a call from Bowlsby? The conference is explicitly exploiting a loophole for short term gains. Perfectly legal and ESPN/FOX are obligated to pay up. But once this deal is done I don't see either one of those entities willing to deal with the B12 in whatever new form it takes. They'll peel off the valuable properties (UT, OU, KU) and cast the rest of the conference down from the P5 perch.

(07-22-2016 01:04 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 12:36 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(07-21-2016 10:50 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Several TX politicians including the Gov and Lt Gov endorsed and some even demanded today that Houston be added to the Big 12. UT President Fenves endorsed the idea as well. I think it's happening.

Unless we see OU publicly pick a fight and endorse everything that UT is against then I don't think we're going to see any game played.

From what I understand, the networks are obligated to pay pro rata for new additions. If the new additions take less money then the current 10 members could actually profit from this in the short term.

As for the grand plan here, I'm still not sure UT and OU are planning on leaving in a few years. I need to see what they do with the GOR. That and whether or not they get any legitimate offers for a network. I think it's possible that the networks want to see what an expanded Big 12 looks like before they seriously consider converting the LHN.

I'm still having trouble believing that UT and OU are simply creating a decent home for the little brothers. It makes sense on some level, yes, but if the powers leave then the little brothers will ultimately not be able to keep pace on their own. It's simply a matter of when not if.

To me, it seems a lot easier for everyone if UT and OU simply take a couple of little brothers with them if indeed they are concerned about the secondary schools. That's the only way to guarantee their future. I suppose it is possible, however, that no one wants the little brothers. Perhaps the other power leagues will accept only OU and UT at this point and perhaps not one without the other. If that is true then perhaps we're heading for something very bizarre.

Look JR, all we know is the B12 is trying to maximize profits for their members and increase the odds of landing a playoff spot.

Everything else is pure speculation because, as Dennis Dodds pointed out, not even the Presidents or Chancellors know what's gonna happen.

I'm not JR

You probably stayed at a Holiday Inn. Easy mistake

(07-22-2016 06:12 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(07-21-2016 10:50 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Several TX politicians including the Gov and Lt Gov endorsed and some even demanded today that Houston be added to the Big 12. UT President Fenves endorsed the idea as well. I think it's happening.

Unless we see OU publicly pick a fight and endorse everything that UT is against then I don't think we're going to see any game played.

From what I understand, the networks are obligated to pay pro rata for new additions. If the new additions take less money then the current 10 members could actually profit from this in the short term.

As for the grand plan here, I'm still not sure UT and OU are planning on leaving in a few years. I need to see what they do with the GOR. That and whether or not they get any legitimate offers for a network. I think it's possible that the networks want to see what an expanded Big 12 looks like before they seriously consider converting the LHN.

I'm still having trouble believing that UT and OU are simply creating a decent home for the little brothers. It makes sense on some level, yes, but if the powers leave then the little brothers will ultimately not be able to keep pace on their own. It's simply a matter of when not if.

To me, it seems a lot easier for everyone if UT and OU simply take a couple of little brothers with them if indeed they are concerned about the secondary schools. That's the only way to guarantee their future. I suppose it is possible, however, that no one wants the little brothers. Perhaps the other power leagues will accept only OU and UT at this point and perhaps not one without the other. If that is true then perhaps we're heading for something very bizarre.

If the B12 goes through with this move what network even bother to answer a call from Bowlsby? The conference is explicitly exploiting a loophole from short term gains. Perfectly legal and ESPN/FOX are obligated to pay up. But once this deal is done I don't see either one of those entities willing to deal with the B12 in whatever new form it take. They'll peel off the valuable properties (UT, OU, KU) and cast the rest of the conference down from the P5 perch.

You're probably right. I'm just thinking out loud.

My only thought on the potential for a network down the road once a new Big 12 has taken shape is based on this: if the powers are moved out of the conference then the little brothers will fall behind in a clearly inferior league.

I can understand why the networks wouldn't be thrilled about brokering a dissolution. I can also understand why they wouldn't necessarily want to find homes for some of these little brothers as it would not be cost effective.

I can't really get that the networks would be interested in paying a Big 12 full of leftovers a competitive rate. That would be the most expensive option of them all. The plan may well be to create a rival for the AAC as JR suggested in another thread. If that is the case then will the politicos of OK, TX, and KS get on board with that? I'm skeptical of that, but I obviously don't know what is going to happen.