(07-21-2016 05:32 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  From ESPN a few minutes ago:

'Houston's Big 12 candidacy received three major endorsements Thursday, as Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, Lieutenant Gov. Dan Patrick and University of Texas president Greg Fenves posted messages on Twitter endorsing the Cougars' bid to join the conference.'

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...ars-big-12

And here we thought Houston had a great offense on the field...!

Texas looks out for its own bruh. How else can you reconcile Baylor and Texas Tech being in a major conference.

(07-20-2016 11:49 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 11:35 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  It's not about what's fair. Sometimes it's not even about what seems to make sense, it's about who the Presidents and Chancellors at Wake Forest, UVa, NC State, UNC, Duke, Clemson, VT, ND, Pitt, Miami, etc., etc., are comfortable with in a close in, personal setting.

Understood. That said, I hope they learn to like OU and Kansas real quick...

Sorry Mark, OU is a non starter for the ACC.

(07-21-2016 10:30 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(07-21-2016 10:16 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Haven't the service academies already said that they don't want to be apart of a power conference?

Air Force did but a recent change to the commitment rules now leaves a loophole for professional athletes. That rule came in to being last fall and the DOD wanted it as a means of promoting the academies. Vandiver can detail it for you.

The problem is that the service academies are not the same. Navy has an actual endowment and for historical quirks has a posture that is more like other elite universities. It might go back to the old V-12 program of WWII. Army, they are just a different animal (pun intended) and many still don't know why the Air Force is a separate branch.

Are they going to do away with their own restrictions, such as weight?

(07-20-2016 11:34 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 10:48 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  If you REALLY think about it, the B12 is the modern day Big East, complete with an semi-competent Commish.

Texas, OU and Kansas are now playing the roles of Syracuse, West Virginia and Pitt and I'd be willing to bet my "signature space" that none of those three are B12 members when this expansion thing shakes out.

Given Lumber's insight on the time between initial contact and actual membership invitation, I wouldn't be shocked at all when the ACC announces its invited Texas to join the conference in all sports but football, with Texas keeping its rights to the LHN -- all by the time the actual ACCN launches.

Texas isn't signing/extending its GOR to be hooked up with Cincinnati. You know it, and I know it.

So yeah, the B12 might as well be labeled the new MWC.

Well, if THAT happens I'd like to see the ACC invite all 3 - Texas (partial), OU and Kansas (both full members). 16 full + 2 partial members. Huge adds for football in OU and Texas, plus 1 elite and 2 very good basketball teams too. Oh, yeah, KU and UT are nice academic adds - and OU is in the "acceptable" range, I would think (comparable to Iowa State or the U of South Carolina).

I like the way you think. While I would like the Big 12 to stay intact and behind us too, if it does fly apart, do take all 3 of them. Current Big 12 GOR ends in 2025. The football schools (FSU, Clemson, Ga Tech I heard) would get OU in just like they (and Syracuse) did with U of L. Give Texas the ND deal. They will have some neighborhood teams with Kansas and OU and since they won't get ACC football money there won't be that resentment over the LHN just as there is none with ND and their network - NBC. I always think ESPN will not renew the LHN when it comes up for renewal in 2031, but what do I know. Maybe some other network would pick it up.

About ND, they nearly joined the B1G in the late 1990s I have read. Their faculty voted for it but their board of regents (?) defeated the motion in a close vote, so never say never. Good that they are here.

(07-21-2016 05:32 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  From ESPN a few minutes ago:

'Houston's Big 12 candidacy received three major endorsements Thursday, as Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, Lieutenant Gov. Dan Patrick and University of Texas president Greg Fenves posted messages on Twitter endorsing the Cougars' bid to join the conference.'

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...ars-big-12

And here we thought Houston had a great offense on the field...!

Actually all the UT President said was something like we agree to considering UH. The politicians are likely grandstanding for votes, as is usual for them.

(07-21-2016 11:36 PM)atom58again Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 11:34 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 10:48 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  If you REALLY think about it, the B12 is the modern day Big East, complete with an semi-competent Commish.

Texas, OU and Kansas are now playing the roles of Syracuse, West Virginia and Pitt and I'd be willing to bet my "signature space" that none of those three are B12 members when this expansion thing shakes out.

Given Lumber's insight on the time between initial contact and actual membership invitation, I wouldn't be shocked at all when the ACC announces its invited Texas to join the conference in all sports but football, with Texas keeping its rights to the LHN -- all by the time the actual ACCN launches.

Texas isn't signing/extending its GOR to be hooked up with Cincinnati. You know it, and I know it.

So yeah, the B12 might as well be labeled the new MWC.

Well, if THAT happens I'd like to see the ACC invite all 3 - Texas (partial), OU and Kansas (both full members). 16 full + 2 partial members. Huge adds for football in OU and Texas, plus 1 elite and 2 very good basketball teams too. Oh, yeah, KU and UT are nice academic adds - and OU is in the "acceptable" range, I would think (comparable to Iowa State or the U of South Carolina).

I like the way you think. While I would like the Big 12 to stay intact and behind us too, if it does fly apart, do take all 3 of them. Current Big 12 GOR ends in 2025. The football schools (FSU, Clemson, Ga Tech I heard) would get OU in just like they (and Syracuse) did with U of L. Give Texas the ND deal. They will have some neighborhood teams with Kansas and OU and since they won't get ACC football money there won't be that resentment over the LHN just as there is none with ND and their network - NBC. I always think ESPN will not renew the LHN when it comes up for renewal in 2031, but what do I know. Maybe some other network would pick it up.

About ND, they nearly joined the B1G in the late 1990s I have read. Their faculty voted for it but their board of regents (?) defeated the motion in a close vote, so never say never. Good that they are here.

We definitely were considering the Big 1? at that time. The faculty always want to join a conference, but there opinion means nothing

This arrangement has helped both.sides and will continue to do so.

If the Louisville CJ is correct this is the new B12:

Connecticut
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma


Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
Houston
BYU

We’ve paid our dues, won championships, beaten plenty of high profile, ranked P5 teams, and packed our stadium better than any other G5 program for decades. (With the exception of BYU)

We deserve to be in the Big 12 just as much (if not more) than most everyone else being mentioned.

Markets don’t matter… ask C-USA. They went for large media markets and it sank their league. You still have to have a product to sell.

The SEC thrives in well-known major media markets such as Tuscaloosa, AL.. Auburn, AL.. Starkville, MS.. College Station, TX.. Gainesville, FL.. Oxford, MS.. etc. All are internationally known centers of commerce, and have major international airports.

You can snicker all you want, but the fact is that ECU has been packing the house and beating major competition since before some of these schools even contemplated having a football program, much less competing at our level. There have been plenty of flashes in the pan among most AAC schools, but it has always been fleeting.

Why not us? I’m happy that our AD has made our pitch to the Big 12… now all we can do as fans is sit back and watch it unfold. If they are genuinely interested in finding programs that elevate their league, ECU must on that list. We have been doing so much more with so much less for decades… imagine what we could do with the backing of a P5 conference.

Orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr........ ACC... how YOU doin?

I agree and I think B12 would be wise to add 4 Eastern teams They should add Cincinnati , Connecticut, East Carolina , and Memphis.

(07-22-2016 08:57 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  We’ve paid our dues, won championships, beaten plenty of high profile, ranked P5 teams, and packed our stadium better than any other G5 program for decades. (With the exception of BYU)

We deserve to be in the Big 12 just as much (if not more) than most everyone else being mentioned.

Markets don’t matter… ask C-USA. They went for large media markets and it sank their league. You still have to have a product to sell.

The SEC thrives in well-known major media markets such as Tuscaloosa, AL.. Auburn, AL.. Starkville, MS.. College Station, TX.. Gainesville, FL.. Oxford, MS.. etc. All are internationally known centers of commerce, and have major international airports.

You can snicker all you want, but the fact is that ECU has been packing the house and beating major competition since before some of these schools even contemplated having a football program, much less competing at our level. There have been plenty of flashes in the pan among most AAC schools, but it has always been fleeting.

Why not us? I’m happy that our AD has made our pitch to the Big 12… now all we can do as fans is sit back and watch it unfold. If they are genuinely interested in finding programs that elevate their league, ECU must on that list. We have been doing so much more with so much less for decades… imagine what we could do with the backing of a P5 conference.

Orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr........ ACC... how YOU doin?

ECU has paid it dues & should be considered for the Big 12 & the SEC. ECU & WV games would be thrilling. ECU should have been in the BE sooner. I just can't support a 5th Carolina school in the ACC.

Go Pirates!

(07-20-2016 07:19 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 07:00 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 08:30 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 05:52 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  I suspect they would be looking at adding schools in anticipation of losing one of all of Texas, OU, and Kansas. A good defensive move is to block a bridge to the ACC or B10. To hurt the ACC the most, you would take Houston and Tulane off the board.

Get out of here with that Green Wave stuff. This isn't 1934.

I agree with Lumber regarding Tulane, and I haven't been shy about saying Tulane would be a surprisingly good (re)addition to the ACC...

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Now hear this: no school who has ever deemphasized football for a long period should ever be added to the ACC. We can't do much about the ones already in the ACC.

Pitt has deemphasized football multiple times throughout their history. Usually shortly after winning National Championships.

(07-22-2016 11:52 AM)7fielder Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 07:19 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-20-2016 07:00 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 08:30 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 05:52 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  I suspect they would be looking at adding schools in anticipation of losing one of all of Texas, OU, and Kansas. A good defensive move is to block a bridge to the ACC or B10. To hurt the ACC the most, you would take Houston and Tulane off the board.

Get out of here with that Green Wave stuff. This isn't 1934.

I agree with Lumber regarding Tulane, and I haven't been shy about saying Tulane would be a surprisingly good (re)addition to the ACC...

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Now hear this: no school who has ever deemphasized football for a long period should ever be added to the ACC. We can't do much about the ones already in the ACC.

Pitt has deemphasized football multiple times throughout their history. Usually shortly after winning National Championships.

Yeah, knowing how many ACC teams - including Clemson - have done this prompted the "long time" stipulation.

(07-19-2016 08:09 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 05:52 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  I suspect they would be looking at adding schools in anticipation of losing one of all of Texas, OU, and Kansas. A good defensive move is to block a bridge to the ACC or B10. To hurt the ACC the most, you would take Houston and Tulane off the board.

Tulane will remain "on the board", until infinity.

Houston might get in if expansion to 14, since once they go to divisions programs in the NOT Texahoma division will want annual access to Texas still.

Cheers,
Neil

I think the Big 12 will go to 14 and do a 9-game schedule with 1 permanent cross-division rival game.

Big 14 North/South
BYU/TCU
Cincinnati/Houston
Colorado State/Texas Tech
Iowa State/Baylor
Kansas/Oklahoma
Kansas State/Oklahoma State
West Virginia/Texas

(07-23-2016 02:07 AM)Realignment Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 08:09 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 05:52 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  I suspect they would be looking at adding schools in anticipation of losing one of all of Texas, OU, and Kansas. A good defensive move is to block a bridge to the ACC or B10. To hurt the ACC the most, you would take Houston and Tulane off the board.

Tulane will remain "on the board", until infinity.

Houston might get in if expansion to 14, since once they go to divisions programs in the NOT Texahoma division will want annual access to Texas still.

Cheers,
Neil

I think the Big 12 will go to 14 and do a 9-game schedule with 1 permanent cross-division rival game.

Big 14 North/South
BYU/TCU
Cincinnati/Houston
Colorado State/Texas Tech
Iowa State/Baylor
Kansas/Oklahoma
Kansas State/Oklahoma State
West Virginia/Texas

Those are rivalry games? If you can't do better than that, I don't see any point in having cross division rivalry games. If anything, just trying to construct rivalry games for a 14 team Big 12 shows you just how unwieldy and unstable that conference would be.

BTW, when the Big 12 breaks up, I'd take Kansas for the hoops. Not gonna happen but it would be cool. Also BTW, I can't imagine Texas in the ACC. They'll go to the Pac if they go anywhere. No, I don't even want to think about WVU or anyone else from that conference.

(07-21-2016 05:36 PM)L-yes Wrote:  

(07-21-2016 05:32 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  From ESPN a few minutes ago:

'Houston's Big 12 candidacy received three major endorsements Thursday, as Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, Lieutenant Gov. Dan Patrick and University of Texas president Greg Fenves posted messages on Twitter endorsing the Cougars' bid to join the conference.'

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...ars-big-12

And here we thought Houston had a great offense on the field...!

Texas looks out for its own bruh. How else can you reconcile Baylor and Texas Tech being in a major conference.

Right on cue: The Texas Tech president endorses Houston for the Big 12 as well.

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college-...-candidate

(07-23-2016 09:35 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 02:07 AM)Realignment Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 08:09 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 05:52 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  I suspect they would be looking at adding schools in anticipation of losing one of all of Texas, OU, and Kansas. A good defensive move is to block a bridge to the ACC or B10. To hurt the ACC the most, you would take Houston and Tulane off the board.

Tulane will remain "on the board", until infinity.

Houston might get in if expansion to 14, since once they go to divisions programs in the NOT Texahoma division will want annual access to Texas still.

Cheers,
Neil

I think the Big 12 will go to 14 and do a 9-game schedule with 1 permanent cross-division rival game.

Big 14 North/South
BYU/TCU
Cincinnati/Houston
Colorado State/Texas Tech
Iowa State/Baylor
Kansas/Oklahoma
Kansas State/Oklahoma State
West Virginia/Texas

Those are rivalry games? If you can't do better than that, I don't see any point in having cross division rivalry games. If anything, just trying to construct rivalry games for a 14 team Big 12 shows you just how unwieldy and unstable that conference would be.

BTW, when the Big 12 breaks up, I'd take Kansas for the hoops. Not gonna happen but it would be cool. Also BTW, I can't imagine Texas in the ACC. They'll go to the Pac if they go anywhere. No, I don't even want to think about WVU or anyone else from that conference.

If Texas goes to another conference full time, it will be PAC14/16.

If Texas goes to ACC, it will be Notre Dame like deal.

(07-23-2016 07:24 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 09:35 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 02:07 AM)Realignment Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 08:09 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 05:52 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  I suspect they would be looking at adding schools in anticipation of losing one of all of Texas, OU, and Kansas. A good defensive move is to block a bridge to the ACC or B10. To hurt the ACC the most, you would take Houston and Tulane off the board.

Tulane will remain "on the board", until infinity.

Houston might get in if expansion to 14, since once they go to divisions programs in the NOT Texahoma division will want annual access to Texas still.

Cheers,
Neil

I think the Big 12 will go to 14 and do a 9-game schedule with 1 permanent cross-division rival game.

Big 14 North/South
BYU/TCU
Cincinnati/Houston
Colorado State/Texas Tech
Iowa State/Baylor
Kansas/Oklahoma
Kansas State/Oklahoma State
West Virginia/Texas

Those are rivalry games? If you can't do better than that, I don't see any point in having cross division rivalry games. If anything, just trying to construct rivalry games for a 14 team Big 12 shows you just how unwieldy and unstable that conference would be.

BTW, when the Big 12 breaks up, I'd take Kansas for the hoops. Not gonna happen but it would be cool. Also BTW, I can't imagine Texas in the ACC. They'll go to the Pac if they go anywhere. No, I don't even want to think about WVU or anyone else from that conference.

If Texas goes to another conference full time, it will be PAC14/16.

If Texas goes to ACC, it will be Notre Dame like deal.

The ACC won't do that for Texas.