(07-25-2016 05:01 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  so how much more of a commitment do you expect from the university itself

Dear TodgeRodge/CheckFacts/Evert Other Username You Use,

What did NT do to hurt you? Why do you spend so much time on so many various internet forums bad mouthing the university? I heard a rumor you were kicked out of NT? Is that the real reason? Did Scrappy touch you in an inappropriate place?

Please tell us, we would like to get you help.

(07-27-2016 07:37 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 07:21 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 08:59 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 08:44 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 06:15 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  *Sustained winning. 2009 we went 10-3 and still only had 2 games over 23,000. Next year (6-7) also had 2 with 26,000+ but went quickly back to crap crowds.

Same thing happened to Rice after our CUSA champ in 2013 (and after our Texas Bowl win back in 2008 (10-3, 7-1)). If you don't sustain in a G5, it means little to nothing. Boise and TCU provide the models in G5: sustain winning at high levels, dominate your conference, and win more than a few of your OOC games against P5s even if on the road.

But was that announced attendance or actual butts? From the two years Western's been in CUSA Rice's 20k are more like 2. So I assume that's more than likely the norm with Rice?

Glad someone else said it so i didn't have to. Rice has never had good attendance as long as i have followed cusa and been familiar with them.

That has been said many times and Rice fans have stated that the vast majority of their fans sit on the side that the cameras don't view. I have seen at least a couple of instances where that was true. On tv you think almost no one is there but in person you see a good crowd on the other side of the field.

My comment was from being there for one game...2k would be pushing it. Now it was HOT and a mid afternoon game. But 2k max. So I wanted to see if that was the norm and checked google and looked at pictures of both sides and yes it was normal for Rice to list 20k and have what looks to be 2 to 4k in the stands. Even games with 50-75% full (TX schools) the larger part of the fans wore the visiting team colors.

(07-27-2016 07:57 AM)UNT15 Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 07:37 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 07:21 AM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 08:59 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 08:44 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Same thing happened to Rice after our CUSA champ in 2013 (and after our Texas Bowl win back in 2008 (10-3, 7-1)). If you don't sustain in a G5, it means little to nothing. Boise and TCU provide the models in G5: sustain winning at high levels, dominate your conference, and win more than a few of your OOC games against P5s even if on the road.

But was that announced attendance or actual butts? From the two years Western's been in CUSA Rice's 20k are more like 2. So I assume that's more than likely the norm with Rice?

Glad someone else said it so i didn't have to. Rice has never had good attendance as long as i have followed cusa and been familiar with them.

That has been said many times and Rice fans have stated that the vast majority of their fans sit on the side that the cameras don't view. I have seen at least a couple of instances where that was true. On tv you think almost no one is there but in person you see a good crowd on the other side of the field.

I second this. I've been to this stadium a few times, and every time, it looked completely empty on one side and one endzone, but on the other side and in the upper decks there have been at least 18k+. In the relatively small sample size, I'd have to say the Rice games I've been to have had equal or greater crowds than UNT games (save UH '11 and UTEP '13).
20k can easily get lost in a stadium that is large enough to hold over 70k; I'm sure UAB fans understand this phenomenon

Actually 58,000 and that if the endzones are not covered...

since they are for CUSA games the total would be 47,000 and I assume 65% is up top. So that leaves 16,450 on the bottom ...18800 at 40% on the bottom 60% up top. So my guess is that 2 to 4k becomes 4 to 8k when you take in the mass of the stadium. But still not the 20 to 22k Rice will list

edit: but honestly I think 2k might be pushing it for Rice vs Western