(07-15-2016 04:20 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  From the BYU forum that lead to all of this false chatter...

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Hi all, frequent reader, rarely post.

I have been very, very amused reading all of the speculation and flat-out guessing occurring on this board. I am amazed that so many of you are still listening to the same "pundits" and "sources" that have been so wrong about so many things in the past.

I will give you the update that you all have been foaming at the mouth to receive. We (BYU) are as Tom Holmoe said; not at the table. There are currently no lines of communication open between the Big 12 and the BYU athletic department or any entity within BYU or the church. Furthermore, the feedback that BYU has received (mostly through the media) is that the Big 12 has placed expansion on the back burner. Yes, expansion is on the agenda of items to be discussed at the upcoming Big 12 meetings, but so are many other items. BYU knows nothing, and has been told nothing, about any kind of "straw poll" or formal vote (again, there is zero communication between these two groups). No one in the athletic department is holding their breath, and in fact, most don't anticipate any good news on the P5 conference expansion front now or in the foreseeable future. In fact, a growing consensus within the athletic department is that we will never get into a P5 conference (as presently constituted), and that more effort needs to be put into making long-term contingency plans for remaining a relevant independent. I will end by saying I know this because of a close relative within the athletic department.

Please, do not be disappointed when next Tuesday comes and goes. I can assure you that nothing positive will happen for BYU next week from a conference expansion standpoint. Also, for those who seem to be continually in denial, please know that there is much more that I am unable to share that I have learned that has me 99.99% positive that no invite will come now, or in the foreseeable future. If all of you knew what I know, there would be no more discussion about BYU getting into a P5 conference. I wish this weren't true. I am as much a fan as any of you. However, I am not wrong. Sorry.
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I wonder if people "in the know" ever post on these boards for sh!ts & giggles? It's possible it happened and he/she was accused of being a troll. I once worked for a huge pharma company (HQ in Parsippany, New Jersey) and the CEO came into the classroom on the last day of training for a little motivational talk. He said he occasionally read the work board because it gave him a "chuckle" to read what his employees were saying....that some of the stuff was so great that he was impressed by it. We all pretended to not know what board he was talking about. (Cafe pharma) 2 positive rep points to anyone who knows what I'm talking about.
So, I promise you guys if I ever get a position in the know, I will send a message on here to you guys with the truth. You'll know it's me because I will send a signal or throw out a "wink" for those of you faithful followers of billybobby777
Cheers!

Dennis Dodd's is saying no expansion again this afternoon/early night.

Dennis Dodd ‏@dennisdoddcbs 23m23 minutes ago
Big 12 board of directors has scheduled conference call with media at conclusion of Tuesday meeting during B12 media days.

Vakaviti ‏@vakaviti 19m19 minutes ago
@dennisdoddcbs Is this didfferent than normal procedure?

Dennis Dodd ‏@dennisdoddcbs 17m17 minutes ago
@vakaviti Regular meeting.

riboflavin ‏@riboflavinLLC 16m16 minutes ago
@dennisdoddcbs @vakaviti so no reason to think there could be expansion news?

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@riboflavinLLC @vakaviti No.

Dennis Dodd @dennisdoddcbs
Tuesday conference call with Big 12 board not expected to advance expansion talk.
5:02 PM - 15 Jul 2016

I'm sure the Big 12 agreed to expand but agreeing on the specific schools is where the problem lies and that will keep the Big 12 at ten members. If Florida State, Clemson, Notre Dame, LSU, Arkansas, Nebraska, and others would accept an invite then they'd have expanded already but those (and many more) would decline. That leaves the G5 schools and the individual schools can't get enough support to get the necessary threshold.

(07-15-2016 03:03 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  People are just repeating the troll job from the chat room that lead to Dude of WV going viral with his idiocy again.

Serious question: is there ANYONE who actually takes the Dude seriously at this point? I mean especially after he outed himself as a troll, and someone who was just angry at the ACC, and wanted to make them "uncomfortable?" And I don't just mean here, I mean is there anyone on any other board, twitter, etc, who really takes his words to heart? I honestly did not realize he was still a thing in 2016.

(07-18-2016 10:20 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(07-15-2016 03:03 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  People are just repeating the troll job from the chat room that lead to Dude of WV going viral with his idiocy again.

Serious question: is there ANYONE who actually takes the Dude seriously at this point? I mean especially after he outed himself as a troll, and someone who was just angry at the ACC, and wanted to make them "uncomfortable?" And I don't just mean here, I mean is there anyone on any other board, twitter, etc, who really takes his words to heart? I honestly did not realize he was still a thing in 2016.

Yes there are some people who take him serious. There are two types of people...

1: People who don't know the history of Dude of WV. These people fall vitcims to the garbage that Dude of WV spews since they don't know better so they will get all excited when he tweets something.

2: People how know Dude of WV is nothing more than an ego driven wannabe insider that just want to feel warm and fuzzy inside so they get all excited.

Looks like it's real this time.

However, I'm not celebrating until we are actually in.

Okay, maybe one little dance.



Go Cougs!!!!!

I think it is happening. It does make sense in the end since the contract guarantees the proportional money. And if there is any thought of a conference network or nonlinear "network", you need more teams for more product. But will stink not to face everyone every week.

(07-19-2016 10:00 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  I think it is happening. It does make sense in the end since the contract guarantees the proportional money. And if there is any thought of a conference network or nonlinear "network", you need more teams for more product. But will stink not to face everyone every week.

the contract calls for TV money to be matched

it does NOTHING to match the other $14 million dollars in money the Big 12 teams are set to average over the 8 years after this year

new teams are not bringing "new money" in terms of money that matches what any current Big 12 member will be making over the 8 years when the Big 12 could add teams

the only way there is any benefit to the Big 12 existing teams is to basically crap out the conference and crap on new members and low ball them and take a chunk of the MUCH LOWER THAN AVERAGE amount of money they bring and have a two tier conference for the final 8 years

(07-19-2016 11:04 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  the contract calls for TV money to be matched

it does NOTHING to match the other $14 million dollars in money the Big 12 teams are set to average over the 8 years after this year

new teams are not bringing "new money" in terms of money that matches what any current Big 12 member will be making over the 8 years when the Big 12 could add teams

the only way there is any benefit to the Big 12 existing teams is to basically crap out the conference and crap on new members and low ball them and take a chunk of the MUCH LOWER THAN AVERAGE amount of money they bring and have a two tier conference for the final 8 years

BYU has the third largest stadium in the Big 12. It will definitely add more TV money in the next contract by adding more markets. Other teams will also add new TV markets. They will also bring additional leverage for getting bowl games, as well as adding NCAA basketball credits.

Adding the new teams also gives the Big 12 a leg up on the media rights ladder of P5 teams. Adding BYU really, really hurts the Pac 12 in Utah, Idaho, and Phoenix. The Big 12 wins by hurting a rival conference. Adding other markets negatively impacts other P5 conferences as well, though adding Cincy would not hurt the B10 like adding BYU will hurt the Pac 12. There is significant value in conference stability that comes from attacking other P5 conferences.

Go Cougs!!!!!!

(07-19-2016 10:00 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  I think it is happening. It does make sense in the end since the contract guarantees the proportional money. And if there is any thought of a conference network or nonlinear "network", you need more teams for more product. But will stink not to face everyone every week.

I understand your POV, but in the end, it will make it slightly easier to get to the CFP, especially if you get the right draw in a particular season.

From what I heard recently, the Big 12 seems to be leaning heavily to taking 4 new teams now.

I think the willingness to mention considering Football only members is a huge statement. Then only need two teams to get the 12 team for other sports. I could see that open the door for BYU and Boise ST. as those probably considered the best football schools available. Hard to believe Cinci is not a lock. That would leave on one spot.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/col.../87317184/
BYU:

Has a strong brand, the best football history of any available school and national following. But BYU would create another geographic island unless it’s paired with another school in the West. Not playing on Sunday is an issue in lots of sports besides football, although football only expansion is on the table.

(07-20-2016 12:45 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I think the willingness to mention considering Football only members is a huge statement. Then only need two teams to get the 12 team for other sports. I could see that open the door for BYU and Boise ST. as those probably considered the best football schools available. Hard to believe Cinci is not a lock. That would leave on one spot.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/col.../87317184/
BYU:

Has a strong brand, the best football history of any available school and national following. But BYU would create another geographic island unless it’s paired with another school in the West. Not playing on Sunday is an issue in lots of sports besides football, although football only expansion is on the table.

In the 2014 Forbes rankings Boise St was #625 out of 650.

In the USNWR rankings, where the worst P5 schools fall in the #150-170 range in the national rankings, Boise St is around #60, in the Western Regional University rankings. That would put them about 350-400 ranked with the P5 schools.

(07-20-2016 12:45 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I think the willingness to mention considering Football only members is a huge statement. Then only need two teams to get the 12 team for other sports. I could see that open the door for BYU and Boise ST. as those probably considered the best football schools available. Hard to believe Cinci is not a lock. That would leave on one spot.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/col.../87317184/
BYU:

Has a strong brand, the best football history of any available school and national following. But BYU would create another geographic island unless it’s paired with another school in the West. Not playing on Sunday is an issue in lots of sports besides football, although football only expansion is on the table.

you are missing out on the reality that "football only" was never remotely mentioned by anyone associated with the Big 12

here are the notes from yesterday there is absolutely zero mention of football only

http://www.big12sports.com/fls/10410/pdf...M_ID=10410

and in fact if you read that it pretty much says that a university needs to bring EVERYTHING especially outside of athletics because they already know that no university is bringing what the Big 12 NEEDS solely based on athletics

so that pretty much precludes any "football only"

(07-19-2016 10:00 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  I think it is happening. It does make sense in the end since the contract guarantees the proportional money. And if there is any thought of a conference network or nonlinear "network", you need more teams for more product. But will stink not to face everyone every week.

This is why adding more than 2 new members seems unlikely. From the perspective of an existing member, it will be bad enough to lose the guarantee of having either the Horns or Sooners in your football stadium every year, and the more new members you add, the less frequent those UT/OU visits become.

(07-20-2016 01:36 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-19-2016 10:00 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  I think it is happening. It does make sense in the end since the contract guarantees the proportional money. And if there is any thought of a conference network or nonlinear "network", you need more teams for more product. But will stink not to face everyone every week.

This is why adding more than 2 new members seems unlikely. From the perspective of an existing member, it will be bad enough to lose the guarantee of having either the Horns or Sooners in your football stadium every year, and the more new members you add, the less frequent those UT/OU visits become.

actually clinging to the 9 conference games and "playing everyone every year" is what is killing the Big 12 the most for a number of reasons

but adding two teams or especially 4 teams is not the way to solve that and is really not a solution for the real issues

simply playing fewer conference games and freeing teams to craft a schedule to meet their individual needs (wins, playoffs, recruiting areas, national brand) and to get them the exposure they need in the areas they need exposure in is the solution to that

the Big 12 is unique in that it has a lot of members that do not want to simply take their place at the table (even if some do that sometimes) and yet their teams have dramatically different needs to accomplish their goals

and the Big 12 is trying to force a single model on those dramatically different programs with different (short term especially) goals and needs and it is killing all of them

they are trying to tightly bind themselves to programs that are at different places in terms of need and ability (especially short term) and then place the success of each program on the backs of every other program to contribute greatly to each others success....and it is a failure because none of the programs have the ability to fully do what they NEED to do to make their programs work individually and thus as a group they drag each other down

Geography does not matter as much when it comes to BYU and Olympic sports. BYU's basketball attendance is better than every Big 12 team except Kansas. See:

byutobig12.com

It makes sense to bring in a school with strong Olympic programs if it drives TV. Having good basketball matchups will help drive TV value. You also have to look at the next TV contract, and the value teams will bring to it.

Go Cougs!!!!!!!