How will this effect the OCS and Athletics in general?
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/201607...obald.html

IIRC, the Temple board of trustees voted to move forward on stadium construction and development last winter. So a change in president shouldn't affect the overall plan.

(07-13-2016 08:39 AM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  IIRC, the Temple board of trustees voted to move forward on stadium construction and development last winter. So a change in president shouldn't affect the overall plan.

The Temple President has been the biggest cheerleader/proponent of the on-campus stadium movement...and he helped sell the BOT on that idea.

If he is ousted...hopefully the on-campus stadium movement is so strong now that it can't be stop.

(07-13-2016 08:22 AM)wave97 Wrote:  How will this effect the OCS and Athletics in general?
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/201607...obald.html

Read the attached article. Wow. People in the Temple community "are pretty stunned to have lost both him and Provost Hai Lung Dai at same time". He got a vote of no confidence by the board because of the ways he wanted to handle the financial deficit. This guy was a huge cheerleader for an OCS. I never thought Temple would get an OCS in the next 10 years anyway, but if they did have a shot, he was the guy screaming in the streets about it. Temple is bringing back Richard M. Englert. Dick held the job at Temple before and has been at Temple for a long time. Good luck Dick. Good luck Temple.
Cheers!

(07-13-2016 09:04 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 08:22 AM)wave97 Wrote:  How will this effect the OCS and Athletics in general?
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/201607...obald.html

Read the attached article. Wow. People in the Temple community "are pretty stunned to have lost both him and Provost Hai Lung Dai at same time". He got a vote of no confidence by the board because of the ways he wanted to handle the financial deficit. This guy was a huge cheerleader for an OCS. I never thought Temple would get an OCS in the next 10 years anyway, but if they did have a shot, he was the guy screaming in the streets about it. Temple is bringing back Richard M. Englert. Dick held the job at Temple before and has been at Temple for a long time. Good luck Dick. Good luck Temple.
Cheers!

So this puts a pretty big dent in the plan the huh?

(07-13-2016 08:22 AM)wave97 Wrote:  How will this effect the OCS and Athletics in general?
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/201607...obald.html

At this point all we can do is wait and see how things play out.

At other schools scandals that effect the athletic programs revolve around things like rape, assault, child molestation, hiring strippers and academic fraud. At Temple it’s revolving around giving away too much money in merit based scholarships to attract academically higher profile students to help raise the universities overall academic ranking.

You can’t even make crap like this up!

(07-13-2016 09:20 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 08:22 AM)wave97 Wrote:  How will this effect the OCS and Athletics in general?
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/201607...obald.html

At this point all we can do is wait and see how things play out.

At other schools scandals that effect the athletic programs revolve around things like rape, assault, child molestation, hiring strippers and academic fraud. At Temple it’s revolving around giving away too much money in merit based scholarships to attract academically higher profile students to help raise the universities overall academic ranking.

You can’t even make crap like this up!

And add to it that Villanova wins another NC which will guarantee a bumper class of prospective students for the next few years.

(07-13-2016 09:47 AM)wave97 Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 09:20 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 08:22 AM)wave97 Wrote:  How will this effect the OCS and Athletics in general?
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/201607...obald.html

At this point all we can do is wait and see how things play out.

At other schools scandals that effect the athletic programs revolve around things like rape, assault, child molestation, hiring strippers and academic fraud. At Temple it’s revolving around giving away too much money in merit based scholarships to attract academically higher profile students to help raise the universities overall academic ranking.

You can’t even make crap like this up!

And add to it that Villanova wins another NC which will guarantee a bumper class of prospective students for the next few years.

That’s truly more of an irritant than anything else, there are plenty of top quality students to go around.

Temple’s student body is made up of students from all 50 states and over 100 countries. Temple doesn’t have a hard time attracting top level applicants, the increase in merit scholarships was a tool used to better secure the best of the best in a very competitive environment.

(07-13-2016 09:15 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 09:04 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 08:22 AM)wave97 Wrote:  How will this effect the OCS and Athletics in general?
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/201607...obald.html

Read the attached article. Wow. People in the Temple community "are pretty stunned to have lost both him and Provost Hai Lung Dai at same time". He got a vote of no confidence by the board because of the ways he wanted to handle the financial deficit. This guy was a huge cheerleader for an OCS. I never thought Temple would get an OCS in the next 10 years anyway, but if they did have a shot, he was the guy screaming in the streets about it. Temple is bringing back Richard M. Englert. Dick held the job at Temple before and has been at Temple for a long time. Good luck Dick. Good luck Temple.
Cheers!

So this puts a pretty big dent in the plan the huh?

The article explaining the situation doesn't paint a pretty picture. Temple has some solid momentum going in football right now, hopefully for them they get someone with passion for an OCS like they had before. A permanent replacement; that Dick Englert is a temporary "place holder" until the right one comes along, just my thoughts from the outside looking in.

Cheers!

Sorry to hear about this Temple. You guys will rebound and have a number of people interested in the position.

Today's environment is pretty crazy. I remember reading an article a while back that indicated the average tenure of a university president today is only ~3 years. BOT's and prominent alums (the fat wallet crowd) are very demanding and have high expectations. Greg Williams, who resigned as Cincinnati's president in 2010, was quoted as saying he would receive numerous calls a day from trustees wanting their demands addressed. I think this happens pretty much everyone anymore.

On the same day this came out, the BOT approved another $250,000 on the stadium feasibility study.

(07-13-2016 08:22 AM)wave97 Wrote:  How will this effect the OCS and Athletics in general?
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/201607...obald.html

well... this ends the OCS. Temple never seems to have it's Shiite together....

As a Temple alum, I am not happy with the dismissal of President Theobold. And I have no insider access whatsoever to know if there are any other shenanigans involved. My disappointment is not about the OCS, it's that Temple has lost a very strong public face and advocate, in a very unusual and abrupt way, in a process that may make other candidates leery. As far as the OCS, the BOT has approved more funding for traffic studies, and some members are strong proponents.

(07-13-2016 11:24 AM)No Bull Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 08:22 AM)wave97 Wrote:  How will this effect the OCS and Athletics in general?
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/201607...obald.html

well... this ends the OCS. Temple never seems to have it's Shiite together....

Read the post above yours instead of your usual bull****.

The stadium is still alive. The Board not only gave a vote of no confidence on the president but they also voted to increase tuition and to add $250k to do a traffic pattern study for the stadium. That brings the stadium study budget to $1.5 million.

From what I understand, the president had been trying to fire the provost. The Board feels that he over stepped his authority by firing him without clearing it with them. The provost is still at the university working as a prof in the chemistry department. The faculty submitted a petition with 1000 signatures demanding that they intervene.
The president now says that the Board wanted him to cover up a sex scandal involving the provost.

So the president is now in a big fight with the faculty and the Board. I don't see how he can win.
Not only might the stadium be at risk, but the momentum that football has developed could slow or come to a halt.

(07-13-2016 10:13 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 09:47 AM)wave97 Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 09:20 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(07-13-2016 08:22 AM)wave97 Wrote:  How will this effect the OCS and Athletics in general?
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/201607...obald.html

At this point all we can do is wait and see how things play out.

At other schools scandals that effect the athletic programs revolve around things like rape, assault, child molestation, hiring strippers and academic fraud. At Temple it’s revolving around giving away too much money in merit based scholarships to attract academically higher profile students to help raise the universities overall academic ranking.

You can’t even make crap like this up!

And add to it that Villanova wins another NC which will guarantee a bumper class of prospective students for the next few years.

That’s truly more of an irritant than anything else, there are plenty of top quality students to go around.

Temple’s student body is made up of students from all 50 states and over 100 countries. Temple doesn’t have a hard time attracting top level applicants, the increase in merit scholarships was a tool used to better secure the best of the best in a very competitive environment.

Every Univ wants to improve their academic standing.

One thing Temple instituted 2 years ago in order to help their academic standing (mostly acceptance rate) is the school stopped requiring SAT/ACT scores for all applications...and studies shows that when you do that (most still include them), it increases the number of applications received...which means you end up with a lower acceptance rate, which helps your academic standing.

Temple was the first major University in the Northeast to not require SAT scores on HS applications.

Temple "Option" has helped increase the number of applications to the Univ...but generally has the same number of Freshmen spots available...so their upcoming academic standing should improve.

(07-13-2016 03:59 PM)Philly Brian Wrote:  The stadium is still alive. The Board not only gave a vote of no confidence on the president but they also voted to increase tuition and to add $250k to do a traffic pattern study for the stadium. That brings the stadium study budget to $1.5 million.

From what I understand, the president had been trying to fire the provost. The Board feels that he over stepped his authority by firing him without clearing it with them. The provost is still at the university working as a prof in the chemistry department. The faculty submitted a petition with 1000 signatures demanding that they intervene.
The president now says that the Board wanted him to cover up a sex scandal involving the provost.

So the president is now in a big fight with the faculty and the Board. I don't see how he can win.
Not only might the stadium be at risk, but the momentum that football has developed could slow or come to a halt.

If you’re going to list talking points as facts please provide links to the articles that support them.

I have read that the board approved the $250,000 stadium traffic study but I haven’t seen any reports that they have agreed to pay for the study with an approval to increase tuition.

I have not seen any reports stating the BOT has asked the President to cover up a sex scandal involving the provost.

It has been reported that President Thobald reported via email to the BOT that a sexual harassment complaint was brought to his attention involving the provost, but the provost is denying the allegation.

(07-13-2016 10:35 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  On the same day this came out, the BOT approved another $250,000 on the stadium feasibility study.

Good to hear, JHG. I'm getting nervous.

We're highly nervous. This seems like it could be bigger than the typical banana peel on which we slip. The BOT are often not even Temple alums, as it is a political appointment.

(07-13-2016 04:15 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  Temple was the first major University in the Northeast to not require SAT scores on HS applications.

We're the only FBS test-optional school in the Northeast.