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RE: If the Big 12 stays at 10, if & how long b4 BYU joins the AAC & who joins ...
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(07-09-2016 12:03 PM)aac4life Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 11:58 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  right now that is up for debate


Which conference ended up with 2 top 25 ranked teams at the end of the season ( could have been four, if Temple and Memphis hadn't crapped their bowl games)?


That's what I thought...

sure...last year

one year doesn't mean every year dude...think man


You need to think for a minute, bro...which conference has its own blog on ESPN, which one has better (total ESPN) TV coverage/exposure, which one has more bluebloods and schools rich with basketball tradition, which one has the better school pedigree and academic prestige, etc?

That all translates to the perception that the AAC is the better league...

And ESPN gave bsu their own tv deal to share with the MWC because they valued bsu football so much. And blogs? MWC has state land grant schools. Beyond uconn the AAC is comprised of directional schools and some privates.


Cincy, SMU, Tulane all have billion dollar plus endowments and Tulane, SMU, Temple, UConn and even Tulsa kick the crap out of MWC schools academically.
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(07-09-2016 12:26 PM)aac4life Wrote:  
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(07-09-2016 12:11 PM)aac4life Wrote:  
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(07-09-2016 12:03 PM)aac4life Wrote:  Which conference ended up with 2 top 25 ranked teams at the end of the season ( could have been four, if Temple and Memphis hadn't crapped their bowl games)?


That's what I thought...

sure...last year

one year doesn't mean every year dude...think man


You need to think for a minute, bro...which conference has its own blog on ESPN, which one has better (total ESPN) TV coverage/exposure, which one has more bluebloods and schools rich with basketball tradition, which one has the better school pedigree and academic prestige, etc?

That all translates to the perception that the AAC is the better league...

And ESPN gave bsu their own tv deal to share with the MWC because they valued bsu football so much. And blogs? MWC has state land grant schools. Beyond uconn the AAC is comprised of directional schools and some privates.


Cincy, SMU, Tulane all have billion dollar plus endowments and Tulane, SMU, Temple, UConn and even Tulsa kick the crap out of MWC schools academically.

That's awesome. The Ivy League has a bunch of private schools who do great academically. Most p5's are state land grant schools.
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(07-09-2016 12:31 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
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(07-09-2016 12:19 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 12:11 PM)aac4life Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 12:04 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  sure...last year

one year doesn't mean every year dude...think man


You need to think for a minute, bro...which conference has its own blog on ESPN, which one has better (total ESPN) TV coverage/exposure, which one has more bluebloods and schools rich with basketball tradition, which one has the better school pedigree and academic prestige, etc?

That all translates to the perception that the AAC is the better league...

And ESPN gave bsu their own tv deal to share with the MWC because they valued bsu football so much. And blogs? MWC has state land grant schools. Beyond uconn the AAC is comprised of directional schools and some privates.


Cincy, SMU, Tulane all have billion dollar plus endowments and Tulane, SMU, Temple, UConn and even Tulsa kick the crap out of MWC schools academically.

That's awesome. The Ivy League has a bunch of private schools who do great academically. Most p5's are state land grant schools.

Yes, except they didn't place their schools in a tiny out of the way location. That's why the MWC is suffering so much, no population to pull support from with California being your only exception. 04-cheers
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[quote='Bearcats#1' pid='13377983' dateline='1468083868']

sure...last year

one year doesn't mean every year dude...think man


You need to think for a minute, bro...which conference has its own blog on ESPN, which one has better (total ESPN) TV coverage/exposure, which one has more bluebloods and schools rich with basketball tradition, which one has the better school pedigree and academic prestige, etc?

That all translates to the perception that the AAC is the better league...

And ESPN gave bsu their own tv deal to share with the MWC because they valued bsu football so much. And blogs? MWC has state land grant schools. Beyond uconn the AAC is comprised of directional schools and some privates.




You buy that bull**** directional and city named school crap? lmao

There are plenty of directional and city named P5 schools...

The MWC board called...
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(07-09-2016 10:08 AM)Jayesseagle Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 06:52 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Lets pretend UC and Memphis aren't being announced to B12 soon....

I would go to 16: add Boise, AF, SDSU, Col St.,

Gives us coast to coast best of rest, kills MWC, our only other competition to the NY6 Bowl (ACC did same thing to Big East and it worked beautifully for them)

West
Boise
AF
SDSU
Col St
Tulsa
UH
SMU
Tulane

East
UC
Memphis
UCF
USF
ECU
UCONN
Temple
Navy

This just gets to me...y'all want to add teams like BYU, AF, SDSU, and Colorado St ??? I can understand BYU..but those other 3 ? Are you serious? Ask yourselves, do you want the AAC to be filled with teams that present a strong competitive league on the field, the court, and on the diamond...or do you want the AAC to be filled with teams that are across the nation that create long travel, no competition, no true rivals...only based on TV markets ? San Diego St ? Colorado St ? Air Force ? BYU is the only one mentioned that had any kind of football presence of those mentioned...but it's still no logic to add them because of where they are located. I know I'm biased but the one that make the most sense to be added are Southern Miss....and Northern Illinois (savcool), period! Both of these programs are proud, competitive on the field year in and year out..and both need that extra help to reach that next level which would help both schools and the AAC. Most of you in the AAC are very knowledgeable about USM, even way before CUSA was ever created..and we've had good relationships with you all. You know what Southern Miss and Northern Illinois can and will bring to the table..a strong presence on the field, recruiting, chances to make the AAC banner proud with bowls, championships, and possibly another 2 teams to compete for the Access bowl.

It seems to me that the members of the AAC want to water down the league with teams that aren't going to be too competitive so it won't take away from the higher ups in the AAC already, but just add them for money and markets but won't be a factor of knocking them from the catbirds seat atop the standings. You know what programs like Southern Miss and Northern Illinois can do with resources as you all have. Both of the schools can compete with you all now being in CUSA and the MAC even those two conferences are below the AAC in rankings but the fear of them passing you by by joining the AAC scares most of you. Look at how it was when we were all on the same leveling field in CUSA..! I didn't post this to say that any member of the AAC is not competitive on an aspect but you all know this. It's as plain as black and white...USM and NIU would be 2 of the best choices the AAC could add!

For me it’s all about the money and closing the gap between the P5 and also widening the money gap between the AAC and the other G5 conferences.

Football performance is definitely part of the equation when it comes to choosing candidates for the AAC (I believe at one point last season 4 teams were ranked in the top 25), but that’s only a part of it. The other 4 important factors are market size (the AAC currently has 3 of the top 10, 5 of the top 25, and 8 of the top 50 markets), academic standing (of the 12 AAC members 5 are ranked inside the top 100 including Navy #6 National Liberal Arts and Tulane #41 National Universities, only 1 school did not publish their ranking), athletic budget (average AAC athletic budget is 45 million with UConn over 70 million), and basketball profile (4 teams made the NCAA Tournament last season and SMU who was ineligible finished with an RPI of 13).

Looking at USM and Northern Illinois compared to the names of the other programs being mentioned.

USM – Market rank 167. USNWR rank not published. Budget 24 million. Basketball RPI 319
Northern Illinois – Market rank 132. USNWR rank not published. Budget 27 million. Basketball RPI 136.
Army – Market rank 1. USNWR 22 National Liberal Arts Universities. Budget 41 million. Basketball NA, football only.
San Diego State – Market rank 28. USNWR 149. Budget 49 million. Basketball RPI 42.
Airforce – Market rank 90. USNWR 29 National Liberal Arts Universities. Budget 50 million. Basketball RPI 226.
Colorado State – Market rank 18. USNWR 127. Budget 38 million. Basketball RPI 182.

For better or worse the AAC has been put together like a business. Things like familiar rivalries are important to the fans but very low on the priority list for the AAC university presidents and ADs.
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RE: If the Big 12 stays at 10, if & how long b4 BYU joins the AAC & who joins ...
(07-09-2016 12:19 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 12:11 PM)aac4life Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 12:04 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 12:03 PM)aac4life Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 11:58 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  right now that is up for debate


Which conference ended up with 2 top 25 ranked teams at the end of the season ( could have been four, if Temple and Memphis hadn't crapped their bowl games)?


That's what I thought...

sure...last year

one year doesn't mean every year dude...think man


You need to think for a minute, bro...which conference has its own blog on ESPN, which one has better (total ESPN) TV coverage/exposure, which one has more bluebloods and schools rich with basketball tradition, which one has the better school pedigree and academic prestige, etc?

That all translates to the perception that the AAC is the better league...

And ESPN gave bsu their own tv deal to share with the MWC because they valued bsu football so much. And blogs? MWC has state land grant schools. Beyond uconn the AAC is comprised of directional schools and some privates.

first of usc is a directional school ..im guessing youd pass on them

& houston, cincy, temple??

and what does being a land grant in a state that has 500k population , 1.4 mil and 2 mil have to do with anything ..the Houston metro is bigger than all those states combined

and our "directional" schools are all capable of better attendance than 100% of the mwc when they are winning and for ecu even when they are losing
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(07-09-2016 12:34 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 12:31 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 12:26 PM)aac4life Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 12:19 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 12:11 PM)aac4life Wrote:  You need to think for a minute, bro...which conference has its own blog on ESPN, which one has better (total ESPN) TV coverage/exposure, which one has more bluebloods and schools rich with basketball tradition, which one has the better school pedigree and academic prestige, etc?

That all translates to the perception that the AAC is the better league...

And ESPN gave bsu their own tv deal to share with the MWC because they valued bsu football so much. And blogs? MWC has state land grant schools. Beyond uconn the AAC is comprised of directional schools and some privates.


Cincy, SMU, Tulane all have billion dollar plus endowments and Tulane, SMU, Temple, UConn and even Tulsa kick the crap out of MWC schools academically.

That's awesome. The Ivy League has a bunch of private schools who do great academically. Most p5's are state land grant schools.

Yes, except they didn't place their schools in a tiny out of the way location. That's why the MWC is suffering so much, no population to pull support from with California being your only exception. 04-cheers

Las Vegas, Denver, San Diego, the Bay Area, Honolulu. Tiny populated areas.
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(07-09-2016 12:37 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 10:08 AM)Jayesseagle Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 06:52 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Lets pretend UC and Memphis aren't being announced to B12 soon....

I would go to 16: add Boise, AF, SDSU, Col St.,

Gives us coast to coast best of rest, kills MWC, our only other competition to the NY6 Bowl (ACC did same thing to Big East and it worked beautifully for them)

West
Boise
AF
SDSU
Col St
Tulsa
UH
SMU
Tulane

East
UC
Memphis
UCF
USF
ECU
UCONN
Temple
Navy

This just gets to me...y'all want to add teams like BYU, AF, SDSU, and Colorado St ??? I can understand BYU..but those other 3 ? Are you serious? Ask yourselves, do you want the AAC to be filled with teams that present a strong competitive league on the field, the court, and on the diamond...or do you want the AAC to be filled with teams that are across the nation that create long travel, no competition, no true rivals...only based on TV markets ? San Diego St ? Colorado St ? Air Force ? BYU is the only one mentioned that had any kind of football presence of those mentioned...but it's still no logic to add them because of where they are located. I know I'm biased but the one that make the most sense to be added are Southern Miss....and Northern Illinois (savcool), period! Both of these programs are proud, competitive on the field year in and year out..and both need that extra help to reach that next level which would help both schools and the AAC. Most of you in the AAC are very knowledgeable about USM, even way before CUSA was ever created..and we've had good relationships with you all. You know what Southern Miss and Northern Illinois can and will bring to the table..a strong presence on the field, recruiting, chances to make the AAC banner proud with bowls, championships, and possibly another 2 teams to compete for the Access bowl.

It seems to me that the members of the AAC want to water down the league with teams that aren't going to be too competitive so it won't take away from the higher ups in the AAC already, but just add them for money and markets but won't be a factor of knocking them from the catbirds seat atop the standings. You know what programs like Southern Miss and Northern Illinois can do with resources as you all have. Both of the schools can compete with you all now being in CUSA and the MAC even those two conferences are below the AAC in rankings but the fear of them passing you by by joining the AAC scares most of you. Look at how it was when we were all on the same leveling field in CUSA..! I didn't post this to say that any member of the AAC is not competitive on an aspect but you all know this. It's as plain as black and white...USM and NIU would be 2 of the best choices the AAC could add!

For me it’s all about the money and closing the gap between the P5 and also widening the money gap between the AAC and the other G5 conferences.

Football performance is definitely part of the equation when it comes to choosing candidates for the AAC (I believe at one point last season 4 teams were ranked in the top 25), but that’s only a part of it. The other 4 important factors are market size (the AAC currently has 3 of the top 10, 5 of the top 25, and 8 of the top 50 markets), academic standing (of the 12 AAC members 5 are ranked inside the top 100 including Navy #6 National Liberal Arts and Tulane #41 National Universities, only 1 school did not publish their ranking), athletic budget (average AAC athletic budget is 45 million with UConn over 70 million), and basketball profile (4 teams made the NCAA Tournament last season and SMU who was ineligible finished with an RPI of 13).

Looking at USM and Northern Illinois compared to the names of the other programs being mentioned.

USM – Market rank 167. USNWR rank not published. Budget 24 million. Basketball RPI 319
Northern Illinois – Market rank 132. USNWR rank not published. Budget 27 million. Basketball RPI 136.
Army – Market rank 1. USNWR 22 National Liberal Arts Universities. Budget 41 million. Basketball NA, football only.
San Diego State – Market rank 28. USNWR 149. Budget 49 million. Basketball RPI 42.
Airforce – Market rank 90. USNWR 29 National Liberal Arts Universities. Budget 50 million. Basketball RPI 226.
Colorado State – Market rank 18. USNWR 127. Budget 38 million. Basketball RPI 182.

For better or worse the AAC has been put together like a business. Things like familiar rivalries are important to the fans but very low on the priority list for the AAC university presidents and ADs.


The AAC has some decent and established rivalries.
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(07-09-2016 12:40 PM)pesik Wrote:  
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(07-09-2016 12:11 PM)aac4life Wrote:  
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(07-09-2016 12:03 PM)aac4life Wrote:  Which conference ended up with 2 top 25 ranked teams at the end of the season ( could have been four, if Temple and Memphis hadn't crapped their bowl games)?


That's what I thought...

sure...last year

one year doesn't mean every year dude...think man


You need to think for a minute, bro...which conference has its own blog on ESPN, which one has better (total ESPN) TV coverage/exposure, which one has more bluebloods and schools rich with basketball tradition, which one has the better school pedigree and academic prestige, etc?

That all translates to the perception that the AAC is the better league...

And ESPN gave bsu their own tv deal to share with the MWC because they valued bsu football so much. And blogs? MWC has state land grant schools. Beyond uconn the AAC is comprised of directional schools and some privates.

first of usc is a directional school ..im guessing youd pass on them

& houston, cincy, temple??

and what does being a land grant in a state that has 500k population , 1.4 mil and 2 mil have to do with anything ..the Houston metro is bigger than all those states combined

and our "directional" schools are all capable of better attendance than 100% of the mwc when they are winning and for ecu even when they are losing

USC is a private school. Ucla is a directional school though. They have a bit of history playing big time football for over 100 years though.
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(07-09-2016 08:34 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 08:16 AM)aac4life Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 06:52 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  West
Boise
AF
SDSU
Col St
Tulsa
UH
SMU
Tulane

East
UC
Memphis
UCF
USF
ECU
UCONN
Temple
Navy

Gives us coast to coast best of rest, kills MWC, our only other competition to the NY6 Bowl (ACC did same thing to Big East and it worked beautifully for them)

That's not going to happen, because Boise is to the MWC as Texas is to the Big 12 and receives a larger share of revenue (and TV exposure) than the rest of the MWC members (one which works out to more money than what they would get in the current AAC deal).

I like the idea of crippling the MWC. Especially if there's going to be a P5 split in a few years.

I also know our Presidents have hard feelings for Boise after the way they backed out at the last minute.

So why not cripple the Boise AND the MWC?

Take Air Force, Colo State, San Diego St and Fresno St. Get the Denver and San Diego TV markets. Get three of the top MWC academic schools. Get three of the top MWC football attendance schools.

At the very least, adding these four schools gives you bargaining power and leverage over Boise (and BYU).

The problem is, Colo St, SDSU, Fresno and Air Force aren't likely to make a lateral move.

^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^

You don't need Boise. In fact, I think Boise has already begun to decline. Creating a unique identity as the country's only nationwide conference while weakening your primary competition for the annual G5 slot is the best way to create a defacto #6 power conference (or as close to it as we are going to get).
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(07-09-2016 12:40 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 12:19 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 12:11 PM)aac4life Wrote:  
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(07-09-2016 12:03 PM)aac4life Wrote:  Which conference ended up with 2 top 25 ranked teams at the end of the season ( could have been four, if Temple and Memphis hadn't crapped their bowl games)?


That's what I thought...

sure...last year

one year doesn't mean every year dude...think man


You need to think for a minute, bro...which conference has its own blog on ESPN, which one has better (total ESPN) TV coverage/exposure, which one has more bluebloods and schools rich with basketball tradition, which one has the better school pedigree and academic prestige, etc?

That all translates to the perception that the AAC is the better league...

And ESPN gave bsu their own tv deal to share with the MWC because they valued bsu football so much. And blogs? MWC has state land grant schools. Beyond uconn the AAC is comprised of directional schools and some privates.

first of usc is a directional school ..im guessing youd pass on them



Don't forget the P5 city schools like Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Louisville and what about Northwestern?
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(07-09-2016 12:42 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 12:40 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 12:19 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 12:11 PM)aac4life Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 12:04 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  sure...last year

one year doesn't mean every year dude...think man


You need to think for a minute, bro...which conference has its own blog on ESPN, which one has better (total ESPN) TV coverage/exposure, which one has more bluebloods and schools rich with basketball tradition, which one has the better school pedigree and academic prestige, etc?

That all translates to the perception that the AAC is the better league...

And ESPN gave bsu their own tv deal to share with the MWC because they valued bsu football so much. And blogs? MWC has state land grant schools. Beyond uconn the AAC is comprised of directional schools and some privates.

first of usc is a directional school ..im guessing youd pass on them

& houston, cincy, temple??

and what does being a land grant in a state that has 500k population , 1.4 mil and 2 mil have to do with anything ..the Houston metro is bigger than all those states combined

and our "directional" schools are all capable of better attendance than 100% of the mwc when they are winning and for ecu even when they are losing

USC is a private school. Ucla is a directional school though. They have a bit of history playing big time football for over 100 years though.


How is UCLA a directional school? lol
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(07-09-2016 12:31 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 12:26 PM)aac4life Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 12:19 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  And ESPN gave bsu their own tv deal to share with the MWC because they valued bsu football so much. And blogs? MWC has state land grant schools. Beyond uconn the AAC is comprised of directional schools and some privates.


Cincy, SMU, Tulane all have billion dollar plus endowments and Tulane, SMU, Temple, UConn and even Tulsa kick the crap out of MWC schools academically.

That's awesome. The Ivy League has a bunch of private schools who do great academically. Most p5's are state land grant schools.

Yes, except they didn't place their schools in a tiny out of the way location. That's why the MWC is suffering so much, no population to pull support from with California being your only exception. 04-cheers

Las Vegas, Denver, San Diego, the Bay Area, Honolulu. Tiny populated areas.

I said except California. You'll note that I stated SDSU, UNLV, Colorado St and BYU for membership or did you skip that. Hawaii is a non-starter. Boise St and Wyoming have no market to offer. Air Force and Colorado St share the same market. Fresno St has access issues do to the size of the local Air Port, (Unless they've addressed that recently). SJSU is also a non-starter for Athletic facilities as well as support.

Face it, your conference is in decline and has little that can stop it's eventual collapse. Boise State got a sweetheart deal and it's destroying that conference from within. 05-stirthepot
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(07-09-2016 12:40 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  Las Vegas, Denver, San Diego, the Bay Area, Honolulu. Tiny populated areas.

all of hawaii noot even just honoluluis 1.4 mil...

and i thought you were bragging about your land grand schools? most of those arent land grant ..and csu isnt in denver

if land grant was so import why was sjsu and utah st added over montana, north dakota, south dakota?
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RE: If the Big 12 stays at 10, if & how long b4 BYU joins the AAC & who joins ...
(07-09-2016 12:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 08:34 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 08:16 AM)aac4life Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 06:52 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  West
Boise
AF
SDSU
Col St
Tulsa
UH
SMU
Tulane

East
UC
Memphis
UCF
USF
ECU
UCONN
Temple
Navy

Gives us coast to coast best of rest, kills MWC, our only other competition to the NY6 Bowl (ACC did same thing to Big East and it worked beautifully for them)

That's not going to happen, because Boise is to the MWC as Texas is to the Big 12 and receives a larger share of revenue (and TV exposure) than the rest of the MWC members (one which works out to more money than what they would get in the current AAC deal).

I like the idea of crippling the MWC. Especially if there's going to be a P5 split in a few years.

I also know our Presidents have hard feelings for Boise after the way they backed out at the last minute.

So why not cripple the Boise AND the MWC?

Take Air Force, Colo State, San Diego St and Fresno St. Get the Denver and San Diego TV markets. Get three of the top MWC academic schools. Get three of the top MWC football attendance schools.

At the very least, adding these four schools gives you bargaining power and leverage over Boise (and BYU).

The problem is, Colo St, SDSU, Fresno and Air Force aren't likely to make a lateral move.

^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^

You don't need Boise. In fact, I think Boise has already begun to decline. Creating a unique identity as the country's only nationwide conference while weakening your primary competition for the annual G5 slot is the best way to create a defacto #6 power conference (or as close to it as we are going to get).

interesting...
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(07-09-2016 12:50 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 12:40 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 12:34 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 12:31 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 12:26 PM)aac4life Wrote:  Cincy, SMU, Tulane all have billion dollar plus endowments and Tulane, SMU, Temple, UConn and even Tulsa kick the crap out of MWC schools academically.

That's awesome. The Ivy League has a bunch of private schools who do great academically. Most p5's are state land grant schools.

Yes, except they didn't place their schools in a tiny out of the way location. That's why the MWC is suffering so much, no population to pull support from with California being your only exception. 04-cheers

Las Vegas, Denver, San Diego, the Bay Area, Honolulu. Tiny populated areas.

I said except California. You'll note that I stated SDSU, UNLV, Colorado St and BYU for membership or did you skip that. Hawaii is a non-starter. Boise St and Wyoming have no market to offer. Air Force and Colorado St share the same market. Fresno St has access issues do to the size of the local Air Port, (Unless they've addressed that recently). SJSU is also a non-starter for Athletic facilities as well as support.

Face it, your conference is in decline and has little that can stop it's eventual collapse. Boise State got a sweetheart deal and it's destroying that conference from within. 05-stirthepot


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(07-09-2016 12:50 PM)aac4life Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 12:42 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 12:40 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 12:19 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 12:11 PM)aac4life Wrote:  You need to think for a minute, bro...which conference has its own blog on ESPN, which one has better (total ESPN) TV coverage/exposure, which one has more bluebloods and schools rich with basketball tradition, which one has the better school pedigree and academic prestige, etc?

That all translates to the perception that the AAC is the better league...

And ESPN gave bsu their own tv deal to share with the MWC because they valued bsu football so much. And blogs? MWC has state land grant schools. Beyond uconn the AAC is comprised of directional schools and some privates.

first of usc is a directional school ..im guessing youd pass on them

& houston, cincy, temple??

and what does being a land grant in a state that has 500k population , 1.4 mil and 2 mil have to do with anything ..the Houston metro is bigger than all those states combined

and our "directional" schools are all capable of better attendance than 100% of the mwc when they are winning and for ecu even when they are losing

USC is a private school. Ucla is a directional school though. They have a bit of history playing big time football for over 100 years though.


How is UCLA a directional school? lol

University of California at Los Angeles. University of California is in Berkley.
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(07-09-2016 12:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  ^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^

You don't need Boise. In fact, I think Boise has already begun to decline. Creating a unique identity as the country's only nationwide conference while weakening your primary competition for the annual G5 slot is the best way to create a defacto #6 power conference (or as close to it as we are going to get).

This ^^^.

I will add that the American will only look west if the money is there and they are going to 16. Then all 4 school will have been named and none of there names begin with a "B". 04-cheers
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(07-09-2016 12:52 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 12:40 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  Las Vegas, Denver, San Diego, the Bay Area, Honolulu. Tiny populated areas.

all of hawaii noot even just honoluluis 1.4 mil...

and i thought you were bragging about your land grand schools? most of those arent land grant ..and csu isnt in denver

if land grant was so import why was sjsu and utah st added over montana, north dakota, south dakota?

I don't think the MWC adds FCS schools, and Montana has no desire to move up. Love the Grizz though. They draw better than many AAC and MWC teams.
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(07-09-2016 12:58 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  
(07-09-2016 12:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  ^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^

You don't need Boise. In fact, I think Boise has already begun to decline. Creating a unique identity as the country's only nationwide conference while weakening your primary competition for the annual G5 slot is the best way to create a defacto #6 power conference (or as close to it as we are going to get).

This ^^^.

I will add that the American will only look west if the money is there and they are going to 16. Then all 4 school will have been named and none of there names begin with a "B". 04-cheers

The AAC already looked west and MWC teams didn't want to join. Look at cusa and the Mac, it's where 9 of the teams in the league came from. No MWC teams wanted it after all the defections and additions that were made.
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