Only one non-P5 game (Bowling Green) and a home opener against the Dores of Vandy.

9/2 -- Vanderbilt
9/9 -- AT Syracuse
9/16 -- AT Minnesota
9/23 -- Bowling Green

http://www.goblueraiders.com/news/2016/7...in-17.aspx

(07-07-2016 11:35 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  Only one non-P5 game (Bowling Green) and a home opener against the Dores of Vandy.

9/2 -- Vanderbilt
9/9 -- AT Syracuse
9/16 -- AT Minnesota
9/23 -- Bowling Green

http://www.goblueraiders.com/news/2016/7...in-17.aspx

All very winnable games, good job by MT.

(07-07-2016 11:35 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  Only one non-P5 game (Bowling Green) and a home opener against the Dores of Vandy.

9/2 -- Vanderbilt
9/9 -- AT Syracuse
9/16 -- AT Minnesota
9/23 -- Bowling Green

http://www.goblueraiders.com/news/2016/7...in-17.aspx

Are Syracuse and Minnesota doing a return game at your stadium?

(07-07-2016 12:09 PM)usmbacker Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 11:35 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  Only one non-P5 game (Bowling Green) and a home opener against the Dores of Vandy.

9/2 -- Vanderbilt
9/9 -- AT Syracuse
9/16 -- AT Minnesota
9/23 -- Bowling Green

http://www.goblueraiders.com/news/2016/7...in-17.aspx

Are Syracuse and Minnesota doing a return game at your stadium?

Minnesota was a 1-1 with our home game being in 2010(we also played there in 2014 in a one off that was added later).

Cuse was just announced, all information seems to point to it being a single game.

Believe this is the first time we have played Syracuse. Wonder if the deal was pursued as result of the NCAA BB game with the Orangemen last winter?

(07-07-2016 01:33 PM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  Believe this is the first time we have played Syracuse. Wonder if the deal was pursued as result of the NCAA BB game with the Orangemen last winter?

They also hired the BGSU coach, a team you had already scheduled. A couple of links there.

(07-07-2016 01:33 PM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  Believe this is the first time we have played Syracuse. Wonder if the deal was pursued as result of the NCAA BB game with the Orangemen last winter?

Probably pursued in order to garner a payday as a result of the lousy television deal

LOOKS GOOD!!!

That is a nice schedule, well done.

What's the finial number on that check for the pay to play game? I think all of our schools will need to max that one game out each year that we play. After reading last night that Ark St is getting 1.7 million to play Bama in 2017 and Kent St 1.5 million this year and S. Miss 1.8 million to play Auburn .....

Western is leaving too much money on the table.

Western gets 1.3 this year for playing Bama and 1.3 in 2017 for playing Wisconsin plus a home and home in basketball which is valuable to our fans. But is a home basketball game worth $350,000? I personally don't see it being worth anywhere close to that. Nebraska of the Big10 is paying Ark St 1.65 million.

So it looks like Western is leaving a lot of dollars on the table. And before anyone tries to use...maybe ASU, or Kent St, or S.Miss has more value....no. None of us looked at in that light. All of us are just a means to getting another home game for those schools...not ticket revenue.

I know each of our schools need to max out the amount we get for these games

(07-07-2016 01:51 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 01:33 PM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  Believe this is the first time we have played Syracuse. Wonder if the deal was pursued as result of the NCAA BB game with the Orangemen last winter?

They also hired the BGSU coach, a team you had already scheduled. A couple of links there.

Also:

Their former head coach Doug Marrone, is married to our former longtime football coach and AD Boots Donnelly's daughter. Marrone is now at Jax Jaguars after stepping down as HC of the Bills.

(07-07-2016 02:17 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  What's the finial number on that check for the pay to play game? I think all of our schools will need to max that one game out each year that we play. After reading last night that Ark St is getting 1.7 million to play Bama in 2017 and Kent St 1.5 million this year and S. Miss 1.8 million to play Auburn .....

Western is leaving too much money on the table.

Western gets 1.3 this year for playing Bama and 1.3 in 2017 for playing Wisconsin plus a home and home in basketball which is valuable to our fans. But is a home basketball game worth $350,000? I personally don't see it being worth anywhere close to that. Nebraska of the Big10 is paying Ark St 1.65 million.

So it looks like Western is leaving a lot of dollars on the table. And before anyone tries to use...maybe ASU, or Kent St, or S.Miss has more value....nope! Now of us looked at in that light. All of us are just a means to getting another home game for those schools...not ticket revenue.

I know each of our schools need to max out the amount we get for these games

$950k

(07-07-2016 02:19 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:17 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  What's the finial number on that check for the pay to play game? I think all of our schools will need to max that one game out each year that we play. After reading last night that Ark St is getting 1.7 million to play Bama in 2017 and Kent St 1.5 million this year and S. Miss 1.8 million to play Auburn .....

Western is leaving too much money on the table.

Western gets 1.3 this year for playing Bama and 1.3 in 2017 for playing Wisconsin plus a home and home in basketball which is valuable to our fans. But is a home basketball game worth $350,000? I personally don't see it being worth anywhere close to that. Nebraska of the Big10 is paying Ark St 1.65 million.

So it looks like Western is leaving a lot of dollars on the table. And before anyone tries to use...maybe ASU, or Kent St, or S.Miss has more value....nope! Now of us looked at in that light. All of us are just a means to getting another home game for those schools...not ticket revenue.

I know each of our schools need to max out the amount we get for these games

$950k

I know other things go into a game but it looks like MUTS and Western's AD need to get on the phone with Ark St and get hints on how to negotiate a pay for play game.

Other than that the OOC schedule looks tough but winnable. If MUTS can run the table (I think very doable.. not easy but doable) you will be ranked. CUSA needs ranked schools every year.

Rice is getting $1.3 Million for our 2018 game @LSU.

We also have buy games @Pitt (Don't really understand that one, if we can get UT, Baylor, Stanford at home, why can't we get Pitt) and @USC (West). Those are private schools though so unsure on $.

(07-07-2016 02:26 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:19 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:17 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  What's the finial number on that check for the pay to play game? I think all of our schools will need to max that one game out each year that we play. After reading last night that Ark St is getting 1.7 million to play Bama in 2017 and Kent St 1.5 million this year and S. Miss 1.8 million to play Auburn .....

Western is leaving too much money on the table.

Western gets 1.3 this year for playing Bama and 1.3 in 2017 for playing Wisconsin plus a home and home in basketball which is valuable to our fans. But is a home basketball game worth $350,000? I personally don't see it being worth anywhere close to that. Nebraska of the Big10 is paying Ark St 1.65 million.

So it looks like Western is leaving a lot of dollars on the table. And before anyone tries to use...maybe ASU, or Kent St, or S.Miss has more value....nope! Now of us looked at in that light. All of us are just a means to getting another home game for those schools...not ticket revenue.

I know each of our schools need to max out the amount we get for these games

$950k

I know other things go into a game but it looks like MUTS and Western's AD need to get on the phone with Ark St and get hints on how to negotiate a pay for play game.

Other than that the OOC schedule looks tough but winnable. If MUTS can run the table (I think very doable.. not easy but doable) you will be ranked. CUSA needs ranked schools every year.

I think their are two flaws to your overriding point.

1) I think it's a bit foolish to expect Syracuse to pay the same as Bama or Auburn. They don't have the budget and they're far more beatable. I might take $950k from Syracuse over $1.2M from Bama, is the much lower chance of victory worth $250k? I guess it just depends on your program's money situation and to an extent(depending on how far out you're scheduling) what kind of team you expect to have.

2) You offer the hypothetical answer to Arkansas State getting paid more because they bring more value, I agree with you, that's foolish, most P5 fans don't know the difference between Western Kentucky, Eastern Kentucky, Arkansas State, Central Arkansas etc. In defense of our ADs, I'd say it's foolish to compare any two deals that weren't signed in the same general time frame, beyond that did you consider that Arkansas State has more experience negotiating money deals? The G5 schools that do it more often are often paid more and are generally viewed as less of a threat. If you're Alabama would you rather pay a CUSA team that won 12 games last year and has multiple P5 wins in recent years $1.3M or pay a little more for a Sun Belt team that won 9 games last year and hasn't beaten a P5 team in close to a decade or better yet a MAC team that has three winning seasons in the past thirty eight?

(07-07-2016 01:53 PM)Blue Raider Dave Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 01:33 PM)BlueRaiderBoy Wrote:  Believe this is the first time we have played Syracuse. Wonder if the deal was pursued as result of the NCAA BB game with the Orangemen last winter?

Probably pursued in order to garner a payday as a result of the lousy television deal

You say it as if the two are mutually exclusive. If this was purely about getting a paycheck we could have made more money and traveled a much shorter distance.

(07-07-2016 03:20 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:26 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:19 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:17 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  What's the finial number on that check for the pay to play game? I think all of our schools will need to max that one game out each year that we play. After reading last night that Ark St is getting 1.7 million to play Bama in 2017 and Kent St 1.5 million this year and S. Miss 1.8 million to play Auburn .....

Western is leaving too much money on the table.

Western gets 1.3 this year for playing Bama and 1.3 in 2017 for playing Wisconsin plus a home and home in basketball which is valuable to our fans. But is a home basketball game worth $350,000? I personally don't see it being worth anywhere close to that. Nebraska of the Big10 is paying Ark St 1.65 million.

So it looks like Western is leaving a lot of dollars on the table. And before anyone tries to use...maybe ASU, or Kent St, or S.Miss has more value....nope! Now of us looked at in that light. All of us are just a means to getting another home game for those schools...not ticket revenue.

I know each of our schools need to max out the amount we get for these games

$950k

I know other things go into a game but it looks like MUTS and Western's AD need to get on the phone with Ark St and get hints on how to negotiate a pay for play game.

Other than that the OOC schedule looks tough but winnable. If MUTS can run the table (I think very doable.. not easy but doable) you will be ranked. CUSA needs ranked schools every year.

I think their are two flaws to your overriding point.

1) I think it's a bit foolish to expect Syracuse to pay the same as Bama or Auburn. They don't have the budget and they're far more beatable. I might take $950k from Syracuse over $1.2M from Bama, is the much lower chance of victory worth $250k? I guess it just depends on your program's money situation and to an extent(depending on how far out you're scheduling) what kind of team you expect to have.

2) You offer the hypothetical answer to Arkansas State getting paid more because they bring more value, I agree with you, that's foolish, most P5 fans don't know the difference between Western Kentucky, Eastern Kentucky, Arkansas State, Central Arkansas etc. In defense of our ADs, I'd say it's foolish to compare any two deals that weren't signed in the same general time frame, beyond that did you consider that Arkansas State has more experience negotiating money deals? The G5 schools that do it more often are often paid more and are generally viewed as less of a threat. If you're Alabama would you rather pay a CUSA team that won 12 games last year and has multiple P5 wins in recent years $1.3M or pay a little more for a Sun Belt team that won 9 games last year and hasn't beaten a P5 team in close to a decade or better yet a MAC team that has three winning seasons in the past thirty eight?

I can't disagree with what you said other than the point it's a new game we are all in...cost keeps going up and revenue streams are getting shorter

I love the fact Western played Ill (and will again) it's a easy drive for our fans and as you said a lot easier to get the win than over Bama. So there is value in that. Travel cost is going to be about the same between Ill and Bama.

But being a person that had to watch the bottom line since the age of 17 (started a company my Sr year of HS and never worked for anyone else since) I also look at the dollars and value. Where most fans looks at is the game easy to drive to or a great city as the first thing they look at.

For Western I see a point in the near future where every dollar will matter and we don't need to be getting $400,000/500,000 less to play the same school as a CUSA team or SBC.

As for MUTS I see NY as a lot more expensive trip that's worth more than you are being paid. But again Its ingrained in me to look at the numbers before anything else. On the other hand a win (which we both agree should be easier) will hopefully offset and money you might have got from a Bama or UGA or any other top school

Now that is the kind of OOC games we all should be scheduling.

All winnable games. Beat their asses.

(07-07-2016 03:20 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:26 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:19 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 02:17 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  What's the finial number on that check for the pay to play game? I think all of our schools will need to max that one game out each year that we play. After reading last night that Ark St is getting 1.7 million to play Bama in 2017 and Kent St 1.5 million this year and S. Miss 1.8 million to play Auburn .....

Western is leaving too much money on the table.

Western gets 1.3 this year for playing Bama and 1.3 in 2017 for playing Wisconsin plus a home and home in basketball which is valuable to our fans. But is a home basketball game worth $350,000? I personally don't see it being worth anywhere close to that. Nebraska of the Big10 is paying Ark St 1.65 million.

So it looks like Western is leaving a lot of dollars on the table. And before anyone tries to use...maybe ASU, or Kent St, or S.Miss has more value....nope! Now of us looked at in that light. All of us are just a means to getting another home game for those schools...not ticket revenue.

I know each of our schools need to max out the amount we get for these games

$950k

I know other things go into a game but it looks like MUTS and Western's AD need to get on the phone with Ark St and get hints on how to negotiate a pay for play game.

Other than that the OOC schedule looks tough but winnable. If MUTS can run the table (I think very doable.. not easy but doable) you will be ranked. CUSA needs ranked schools every year.

I think their are two flaws to your overriding point.

1) I think it's a bit foolish to expect Syracuse to pay the same as Bama or Auburn. They don't have the budget and they're far more beatable. I might take $950k from Syracuse over $1.2M from Bama, is the much lower chance of victory worth $250k? I guess it just depends on your program's money situation and to an extent(depending on how far out you're scheduling) what kind of team you expect to have.

2) You offer the hypothetical answer to Arkansas State getting paid more because they bring more value, I agree with you, that's foolish, most P5 fans don't know the difference between Western Kentucky, Eastern Kentucky, Arkansas State, Central Arkansas etc. In defense of our ADs, I'd say it's foolish to compare any two deals that weren't signed in the same general time frame, beyond that did you consider that Arkansas State has more experience negotiating money deals? The G5 schools that do it more often are often paid more and are generally viewed as less of a threat. If you're Alabama would you rather pay a CUSA team that won 12 games last year and has multiple P5 wins in recent years $1.3M or pay a little more for a Sun Belt team that won 9 games last year and hasn't beaten a P5 team in close to a decade or better yet a MAC team that has three winning seasons in the past thirty eight?

lol.

If that line doesn't bring out the Arky State jihadis nothing will. They can pinpoint every single injury the past 10 years that was the turning point in every single P5 game they lost. The woulda-coulda-shoulda-if-only-xxxxxx-didn't-get-hurt is very strong in that crew.

Last week I read a post that said if you took away La Tech's QB and RB last year they win that game. Funny how you aren't allowed to just take away the other team's QB and RB (2 pretty influential positions) so you can win.