(07-07-2016 01:41 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 12:33 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 10:43 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing is, with the schedules that ND has- it's going to be nearly impossible for them to finish undefeated- and a lot of the times with 1 loss. And ND with 10-2 record is going to have a tough time making the playoff.

If so, so what? How many teams really ever have a legitimate shot out of the 128 or so FBS schools, anyway?

Yes, I don't get the idea of not scheduling tough games because it ruins your chances of making the playoffs. Usually you need a tough schedule to prove you deserve that spot.

I think the issue is ND is already behind the 8 ball with getting into the playoffs because the playoff selection criteria gived added weight to conference champions, and the committee itself has also stated its preference for a 13th data point (CCG). Essentially they need to be one loss ahead of every other conference champion to get in.

(07-07-2016 05:44 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 01:41 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 12:33 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 10:43 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing is, with the schedules that ND has- it's going to be nearly impossible for them to finish undefeated- and a lot of the times with 1 loss. And ND with 10-2 record is going to have a tough time making the playoff.

If so, so what? How many teams really ever have a legitimate shot out of the 128 or so FBS schools, anyway?

Yes, I don't get the idea of not scheduling tough games because it ruins your chances of making the playoffs. Usually you need a tough schedule to prove you deserve that spot.

I think the issue is ND is already behind the 8 ball with getting into the playoffs because the playoff selection criteria gived added weight to conference champions, and the committee itself has also stated its preference for a 13th data point (CCG). Essentially they need to be one loss ahead of every other conference champion to get in.

Sure, understood, but...what is his point?

That ND should not play Michigan?

That ND should not schedule tough teams?

That ND may not make the playoffs?

Again, so......?

My point is that very, very few teams have any real shot at a playoff.

What are the other 115 schools doing by playing football and scheduling games?

Terry,

You and other online Notre Dame fans are free to feel whatever way you choose. Guessing that online community represents maybe 5% of all ND fans/alumni, and would also guess you're in the minority when it comes to opinions on if Notre Dame should play the Big Ten teams, among that total base of fans/alumni (not just the online base).

But, like in so many other instances in this country, the minority have a knack for squealing loudly and clanging things together, to make it appear as if their opinion is more important than the majority's.


ND - Big Ten games are historic and good for college football.

So for posterity: it's a great thing that this series was signed and I would invite ND and the Big Ten to negotiate a long term (10-20 year) deal to have ND play at least one BT team per year.

(07-08-2016 10:46 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Terry,

You and other online Notre Dame fans are free to feel whatever way you choose. Guessing that online community represents maybe 5% of all ND fans/alumni, and would also guess you're in the minority when it comes to opinions on if Notre Dame should play the Big Ten teams, among that total base of fans/alumni (not just the online base).

But, like in so many other instances in this country, the minority have a knack for squealing loudly and clanging things together, to make it appear as if their opinion is more important than the majority's.


ND - Big Ten games are historic and good for college football.

So for posterity: it's a great thing that this series was signed and I would invite ND and the Big Ten to negotiate a long term (10-20 year) deal to have ND play at least one BT team per year.

Let me turn your post around for you. Take your own advice and hold it up to a mirror for you to look at yourself.......

These are your personal opinions (like mine) except you couch your opinions as fact.

You have no idea what the majority of ND fans, online or otherwise, think about this game.

Your "guesses" are based on what, exactly?

Can you provide any polling data that backs up your apparent assertion that the "majority" of ND fans are in favor of these games?

For posterity: I don't think that it is a great thing (so that makes us even, you think one way, I think another).

Finally, please take your "invite" directly to ND about this great (again, in your opinion) 10-20 year deal.

Addressing it to me in a message board post is meaningless, I don't agree with it and I don't schedule the games, so your comment was totally wasted here and on me.

P.S. I wish you had been around from 1909-1942 and from 1943-1978 so that you could have "invited" Fritz Crisler and Fielding Yost to schedule games with ND. (Michigan refused to play ND over all of those decades).

You could have told them about the "great thing" this "historic" series was while Michigan was boycotting ND from the Big Ten, refusing to play ND and strong arming Big Ten teams to get them to also boycott ND.

(07-07-2016 04:23 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Haha Michigan canceled series with Arkansas to play ND.

Lets see. SEC West team or Notre Dame.

Harbaw. Lol. Meeerchigan man. Smart move. 2 million to avoid an arse whipping and schedule a weakling.

A troll Memphis fan calling any other program a weaking, eh? Lol.

(07-07-2016 12:55 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 12:47 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 12:39 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 07:12 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Michigan, Notre Dame will reportedly renew one of football's biggest rivalries

There will be three years between Michigan-Notre Dame meetings with the Wolverines and Fighting Irish looking to play once again in 2018
by Adam Silverstein

@SilversteinAdam
5h ago • 1 min read

It did not take long for one of the most storied rivalries in college football to renew after what will be a short hiatus. Michigan and Notre Dame appear to be ready to resume a football series with an announcement scheduled for Thursday afternoon, according to multiple reports late Wednesday night.


Ryan Krasnoo @RyanKras
Michigan-Notre Dame football series is set to resume in 2018, per source. Official announcement expected tomorrow around noon.


11:28 PM - 6 Jul 2016
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Jay Sarkar @WLNSJaySarkar

Source: #Michigan and #NotreDame to announce their football rivalry series will resume play in 2018. Announcement expected tomorrow.
11:27 PM - 6 Jul 2016 · Lansing, MI, United States
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While there are no details yet as to how long this renewed rivalry will last, it is obviously great news for fans of both schools and college football in general. Most believe the agreement will be for a home-and-home series over two years in 2018 and 2019.

The Wolverines and Fighting Irish last squared off in 2014 with Notre Dame routing Michigan 31-0. The programs had played consecutively from 2002-14 and 42 times in total dating back to 1887, including 31-of-37 years since 1978. The three-year drought will be the longest in the series since 1943 to 1978.
Discussion for renewing the series has been nearly nine months in the making, according to UM coach Jim Harbaugh, who told MLive.com that he's been "on board fully since the inception" of talks.

Irish coach Brian Kelly said he was pushing for the games just as hard as Harbaugh. "I think I've made it fairly public that I'd like to see this game happen," he said.

Meh!
Regional contest......if that gets Notre Dame fans excited, the irish should join the B1G.

Hardly. It's two national powers playing.

It wouldn't pique my interest enough to even change the channel.

You know what piques my interest? 2 old school conference mates having to schedule an OOC game because the conference they are in has such a terrible divisional alignment they are going many years between games. Thats what gets me to change the channel...away from the ACC game.

(07-08-2016 10:46 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  ND - Big Ten games are historic and good for college football.

So for posterity: it's a great thing that this series was signed and I would invite ND and the Big Ten to negotiate a long term (10-20 year) deal to have ND play at least one BT team per year.

FWIW, with the addition of the Michigan series, ND now has at least one game schedule with a B1G member every season through 2026. They have two game in both 2018 and 2023.

The problem with their historic scheduling of 3 and sometimes 4 B1G schools is that the regular season B1G schedule forced virtually all of these games to be in September, a month when it is typically not hard to find other opponents. This would have become even more limited as the B1G moves to a 9 game conference schedule. The ACC offers ND the ability to play P5 opponents during the middle of the conference schedule. The Pac 12 also accommodates ND by allowing USC and Stanford to schedule ND in October and November.

(07-08-2016 01:15 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(07-08-2016 10:46 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  ND - Big Ten games are historic and good for college football.

So for posterity: it's a great thing that this series was signed and I would invite ND and the Big Ten to negotiate a long term (10-20 year) deal to have ND play at least one BT team per year.

FWIW, with the addition of the Michigan series, ND now has at least one game schedule with a B1G member every season through 2026. They have two game in both 2018 and 2023.

The problem with their historic scheduling of 3 and sometimes 4 B1G schools is that the regular season B1G schedule forced virtually all of these games to be in September, a month when it is typically not hard to find other opponents. This would have become even more limited as the B1G moves to a 9 game conference schedule. The ACC offers ND the ability to play P5 opponents during the middle of the conference schedule. The Pac 12 also accommodates ND by allowing USC and Stanford to schedule ND in October and November.

The Pac accommodates those games because they are the few times Pac teams get great national coverage. Most of their bigger conference games are played when everyone on the east coast is in bed or drunk.

(07-08-2016 02:39 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-08-2016 01:15 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(07-08-2016 10:46 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  ND - Big Ten games are historic and good for college football.

So for posterity: it's a great thing that this series was signed and I would invite ND and the Big Ten to negotiate a long term (10-20 year) deal to have ND play at least one BT team per year.

FWIW, with the addition of the Michigan series, ND now has at least one game schedule with a B1G member every season through 2026. They have two game in both 2018 and 2023.

The problem with their historic scheduling of 3 and sometimes 4 B1G schools is that the regular season B1G schedule forced virtually all of these games to be in September, a month when it is typically not hard to find other opponents. This would have become even more limited as the B1G moves to a 9 game conference schedule. The ACC offers ND the ability to play P5 opponents during the middle of the conference schedule. The Pac 12 also accommodates ND by allowing USC and Stanford to schedule ND in October and November.

The Pac accommodates those games because they are the few times Pac teams get great national coverage. Most of their bigger conference games are played when everyone on the east coast is in bed or drunk.

not really though. Stanford had it's 2 biggest conference games- vs USC and Oregon- on at 730 et. Oregon's games vs USC 330 et, vs Utah- prime time. Pac 12 has benefited a lot from the new tv deals...

(07-07-2016 04:23 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Haha Michigan canceled series with Arkansas to play ND.

Lets see. SEC West team or Notre Dame.

Harbaw. Lol. Meeerchigan man. Smart move. 2 million to avoid an arse whipping and schedule a weakling.

You do realize they are talking about Arkansas....not some SEC power...and Notre Dame a weakling?

(07-08-2016 03:52 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 04:23 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Haha Michigan canceled series with Arkansas to play ND.

Lets see. SEC West team or Notre Dame.

Harbaw. Lol. Meeerchigan man. Smart move. 2 million to avoid an arse whipping and schedule a weakling.

You do realize they are talking about Arkansas....not some SEC power...and Notre Dame a weakling?

I think he forgot that the same Arkansas team couldn't beat Toledo last season in their own back yard.

(07-07-2016 12:39 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 07:12 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Michigan, Notre Dame will reportedly renew one of football's biggest rivalries

There will be three years between Michigan-Notre Dame meetings with the Wolverines and Fighting Irish looking to play once again in 2018
by Adam Silverstein

@SilversteinAdam
5h ago • 1 min read

It did not take long for one of the most storied rivalries in college football to renew after what will be a short hiatus. Michigan and Notre Dame appear to be ready to resume a football series with an announcement scheduled for Thursday afternoon, according to multiple reports late Wednesday night.


Ryan Krasnoo @RyanKras
Michigan-Notre Dame football series is set to resume in 2018, per source. Official announcement expected tomorrow around noon.


11:28 PM - 6 Jul 2016
523 523 Retweets 405 405 likes

Jay Sarkar @WLNSJaySarkar

Source: #Michigan and #NotreDame to announce their football rivalry series will resume play in 2018. Announcement expected tomorrow.
11:27 PM - 6 Jul 2016 · Lansing, MI, United States
256 256 Retweets 206 206 likes


While there are no details yet as to how long this renewed rivalry will last, it is obviously great news for fans of both schools and college football in general. Most believe the agreement will be for a home-and-home series over two years in 2018 and 2019.

The Wolverines and Fighting Irish last squared off in 2014 with Notre Dame routing Michigan 31-0. The programs had played consecutively from 2002-14 and 42 times in total dating back to 1887, including 31-of-37 years since 1978. The three-year drought will be the longest in the series since 1943 to 1978.
Discussion for renewing the series has been nearly nine months in the making, according to UM coach Jim Harbaugh, who told MLive.com that he's been "on board fully since the inception" of talks.

Irish coach Brian Kelly said he was pushing for the games just as hard as Harbaugh. "I think I've made it fairly public that I'd like to see this game happen," he said.

Meh!
Regional contest......if that gets Notre Dame fans excited, the irish should join the B1G.

I like other regional games like Oklahoma / Nebraska, the Back Yard Brawl with WV and Pitt, and Texas / Texas AM too. Conference realignment and greed have ruined many TRADITIONAL - REGIONAL games between many National College Powers like those mentioned above and the ND / Michigan games and ND Michigan State games.

(07-09-2016 12:50 AM)PA-GAMECOCK Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 12:39 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 07:12 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Michigan, Notre Dame will reportedly renew one of football's biggest rivalries

There will be three years between Michigan-Notre Dame meetings with the Wolverines and Fighting Irish looking to play once again in 2018
by Adam Silverstein

@SilversteinAdam
5h ago • 1 min read

It did not take long for one of the most storied rivalries in college football to renew after what will be a short hiatus. Michigan and Notre Dame appear to be ready to resume a football series with an announcement scheduled for Thursday afternoon, according to multiple reports late Wednesday night.


Ryan Krasnoo @RyanKras
Michigan-Notre Dame football series is set to resume in 2018, per source. Official announcement expected tomorrow around noon.


11:28 PM - 6 Jul 2016
523 523 Retweets 405 405 likes

Jay Sarkar @WLNSJaySarkar

Source: #Michigan and #NotreDame to announce their football rivalry series will resume play in 2018. Announcement expected tomorrow.
11:27 PM - 6 Jul 2016 · Lansing, MI, United States
256 256 Retweets 206 206 likes


While there are no details yet as to how long this renewed rivalry will last, it is obviously great news for fans of both schools and college football in general. Most believe the agreement will be for a home-and-home series over two years in 2018 and 2019.

The Wolverines and Fighting Irish last squared off in 2014 with Notre Dame routing Michigan 31-0. The programs had played consecutively from 2002-14 and 42 times in total dating back to 1887, including 31-of-37 years since 1978. The three-year drought will be the longest in the series since 1943 to 1978.
Discussion for renewing the series has been nearly nine months in the making, according to UM coach Jim Harbaugh, who told MLive.com that he's been "on board fully since the inception" of talks.

Irish coach Brian Kelly said he was pushing for the games just as hard as Harbaugh. "I think I've made it fairly public that I'd like to see this game happen," he said.

Meh!
Regional contest......if that gets Notre Dame fans excited, the irish should join the B1G.

I like other regional games like Oklahoma / Nebraska, the Back Yard Brawl with WV and Pitt, and Texas / Texas AM too. Conference realignment and greed have ruined many TRADITIONAL - REGIONAL games between many National College Powers like those mentioned above and the ND / Michigan games and ND Michigan State games.

I agree. Have the Big Ten disband and then those schools can play ND as football independents.

Problem solved! :)

orangefan,

Although from a historic standpoint it would be great if ND played Mich/Mich St/Purdue every year, I'm fine if they just play one. Looks like they've thrown in Northwestern as well, for the Chicago market. Again, fine.


Terry,

Fine, we both have no actual/scientific idea of what the majority of all ND fans/alumni (not just MESSAGE BOARD fans/alumni) think about it. A survey would be great, but no one is going to take the time and money to do it.

Simply, based on my experience with message board fans/alumni, it's not unusual that they have more extreme positions on a wide variety of topics than the general fan/alumni base. That's not Notre Dame, that's every fanbase.

It would not surprise me at all if it in fact turned out the be the case that you are on the extreme end of the spectrum, but you just think you're in the middle because you only interact with message board alumni and other alumni who think like you do. So that means you probably know about 0.001% of the current living fan/alumni base for ND!

(07-09-2016 01:48 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  orangefan,

Although from a historic standpoint it would be great if ND played Mich/Mich St/Purdue every year, I'm fine if they just play one. Looks like they've thrown in Northwestern as well, for the Chicago market. Again, fine.


Terry,

Fine, we both have no actual/scientific idea of what the majority of all ND fans/alumni (not just MESSAGE BOARD fans/alumni) think about it. A survey would be great, but no one is going to take the time and money to do it.

Simply, based on my experience with message board fans/alumni, it's not unusual that they have more extreme positions on a wide variety of topics than the general fan/alumni base. That's not Notre Dame, that's every fanbase.

It would not surprise me at all if it in fact turned out the be the case that you are on the extreme end of the spectrum, but you just think you're in the middle because you only interact with message board alumni and other alumni who think like you do. So that means you probably know about 0.001% of the current living fan/alumni base for ND!

Again, your opinion, unsupported. Conjecture. Speculation.

Jack Swarbrick discusses ND's scheduling plans as an independent in the playoff era:


• The untouchables are USC, Navy and Stanford.

• Despite no Shamrock Series game in 2017 with the unveiling of the Campus Crossroad project in Notre Dame Stadium, it will remain a fixture on the slate, with an emphasis on a marquee matchup versus a Power 5 conference opponent.

• An average of five ACC games must be on the schedule each season as part of its agreement with the league, although there will be as many as six in 2019 and 2023 and as few as four in 2022 and 2024.

• There will be no 13th game added to counter conference championship games in December. Thus, the 12-game regular season schedule must be enhanced where it can at least match up and preferably trump any 13-game offering of other schools.

The latter is a primary reason why a two-game home-and-home series with Michigan was announced earlier this week. The Wolverines will open at Notre Dame on Sept. 1, 2018, and the Irish will reciprocate with a showdown in Ann Arbor on Oct. 26, 2019. Swarbrick emphasized that this will be only a temporary renewal, unlike when the two were mostly yearly rivals from 1978-2014 except for two-year hiatus’ in 1983-84, 1995-96 and 2000-01.

“We simply don’t have the inventory to add another every-year team,” said Swarbrick, reserving that status for USC, Navy and Stanford. “It’s too limiting. We look forward to playing Michigan again, but it won’t be an every-year deal.”

In addition to the four aforementioned blueprints, he outlined several other goals:




https://notredame.n.rivals.com/news/jack...ling-plans

I'm actually glad to have the Arkansas/Michigan game cancelled. We have very little history against each other. A Notre Dame/Michigan game will mean more to both of those program. I would rather Arkansas schedule more regional opponents that we have history with. Any old SWC member or Big 12 member.

(07-09-2016 03:42 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Jack Swarbrick discusses ND's scheduling plans as an independent in the playoff era:


• The untouchables are USC, Navy and Stanford.

• Despite no Shamrock Series game in 2017 with the unveiling of the Campus Crossroad project in Notre Dame Stadium, it will remain a fixture on the slate, with an emphasis on a marquee matchup versus a Power 5 conference opponent.

• An average of five ACC games must be on the schedule each season as part of its agreement with the league, although there will be as many as six in 2019 and 2023 and as few as four in 2022 and 2024.

• There will be no 13th game added to counter conference championship games in December. Thus, the 12-game regular season schedule must be enhanced where it can at least match up and preferably trump any 13-game offering of other schools.

The latter is a primary reason why a two-game home-and-home series with Michigan was announced earlier this week. The Wolverines will open at Notre Dame on Sept. 1, 2018, and the Irish will reciprocate with a showdown in Ann Arbor on Oct. 26, 2019. Swarbrick emphasized that this will be only a temporary renewal, unlike when the two were mostly yearly rivals from 1978-2014 except for two-year hiatus’ in 1983-84, 1995-96 and 2000-01.

“We simply don’t have the inventory to add another every-year team,” said Swarbrick, reserving that status for USC, Navy and Stanford. “It’s too limiting. We look forward to playing Michigan again, but it won’t be an every-year deal.”

In addition to the four aforementioned blueprints, he outlined several other goals:




https://notredame.n.rivals.com/news/jack...ling-plans

ND should have an annual slot for old B-10 traditional games. H&H with Michigan, then a H&H with Purdue, the a H&H with Michigan State, and then start the rotation over again or leave two years opened to schedule another P5 H&H series else where, then repeat the cycle. You wouldn't have to worry about H&H traditional games with Miami, Pitt, Syracuse, Georgia Tech, or Boston College because you catch them through the AAC 5 game cycle.

(07-09-2016 10:09 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(07-09-2016 12:50 AM)PA-GAMECOCK Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 12:39 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 07:12 AM)TerryD Wrote:  Michigan, Notre Dame will reportedly renew one of football's biggest rivalries

There will be three years between Michigan-Notre Dame meetings with the Wolverines and Fighting Irish looking to play once again in 2018
by Adam Silverstein

@SilversteinAdam
5h ago • 1 min read

It did not take long for one of the most storied rivalries in college football to renew after what will be a short hiatus. Michigan and Notre Dame appear to be ready to resume a football series with an announcement scheduled for Thursday afternoon, according to multiple reports late Wednesday night.


Ryan Krasnoo @RyanKras
Michigan-Notre Dame football series is set to resume in 2018, per source. Official announcement expected tomorrow around noon.


11:28 PM - 6 Jul 2016
523 523 Retweets 405 405 likes

Jay Sarkar @WLNSJaySarkar

Source: #Michigan and #NotreDame to announce their football rivalry series will resume play in 2018. Announcement expected tomorrow.
11:27 PM - 6 Jul 2016 · Lansing, MI, United States
256 256 Retweets 206 206 likes


While there are no details yet as to how long this renewed rivalry will last, it is obviously great news for fans of both schools and college football in general. Most believe the agreement will be for a home-and-home series over two years in 2018 and 2019.

The Wolverines and Fighting Irish last squared off in 2014 with Notre Dame routing Michigan 31-0. The programs had played consecutively from 2002-14 and 42 times in total dating back to 1887, including 31-of-37 years since 1978. The three-year drought will be the longest in the series since 1943 to 1978.
Discussion for renewing the series has been nearly nine months in the making, according to UM coach Jim Harbaugh, who told MLive.com that he's been "on board fully since the inception" of talks.

Irish coach Brian Kelly said he was pushing for the games just as hard as Harbaugh. "I think I've made it fairly public that I'd like to see this game happen," he said.

Meh!
Regional contest......if that gets Notre Dame fans excited, the irish should join the B1G.

I like other regional games like Oklahoma / Nebraska, the Back Yard Brawl with WV and Pitt, and Texas / Texas AM too. Conference realignment and greed have ruined many TRADITIONAL - REGIONAL games between many National College Powers like those mentioned above and the ND / Michigan games and ND Michigan State games.

I agree. Have the Big Ten disband and then those schools can play ND as football independents.

Problem solved! :)

Sorry Terry I think the B-10 should pass on that option now that Rutgers is in the conference. I only have to drive an hour to see Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Nebraska, Wisconsin, and Penn State match ups. If I go the other direction Penn State is a three hour drive and an eternity on Route 80 trying to get to the Penn State exit and game once you get close to the stadium.

ND wants (perhaps "has") to be in Calif. every year, and USC is the actual sacred game. So I get that Stanford gets to piggy-back that.

Navy doesn't make sense, but sometimes history and tradition dictate nonsensical things.


So that's three out of 12 every year, plus five on average for ACC, so eight of 12 every year. PLENTY of slots to guarantee a Big Ten game every year.