(07-07-2016 08:09 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  These circular stories seem oddly familiar to those of us that followed The Big East. The Big East's refusal to add available talent like Memphis and UCF to increase its football membership led to conference members looking to other conferences. The Big 12 is presently walking down that same crooked path.

From the NY Post: Maryland to The Big East instead of expanding with Memphis or UCF?

http://nypost.com/2009/08/05/big-east-ma...area-bowl/

"Two sources said the eight-team Big East would consider adding a ninth member by exploring whether there was interest on behalf of Maryland to jump from the ACC, and for Boston College to rejoin the league.

Both seem a little far-fetched on the surface, but Maryland always has played Big East schools, and the balance of power in the ACC is in the south. And Boston College is learning that life in the ACC, where it has no natural rivals, isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.

The days of considering a Memphis or a Central Florida or an association with Army and Navy are over. The Big East, which went 4-2 in bowl games last season and has won three of its last four BCS games, is thinking of itself as operating from a position of strength."

Also from The NY Post: The Big East could add Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri

http://nypost.com/2011/09/05/big-east-co...-missouri/

According to multiple sources, the most likely scenario — should Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas and Texas Tech leave the Big 12 for the Pac-12 — would bring Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri to the Big East.

Eery similarity between the Big East thinking they were going to get Maryland and BC... and the Big XII thinking they are going to get two P5 teams. Will the end result be the same? TBD.

Terry,

Yeah, but where is Texas gonna go?? They don't want SEC. Big Ten and PAC won't let Texas join with the LHN, they'd have to agree to give up all secondary rights to the conference and take "only" an equal share as all other conference teams from the revenues generated by the conf network. Probably the same with ACC, if it gets a conf network.

Independence would likely be a big paycut.

There's a reason they fight so hard to keep the status quo in the Big 12.

(07-07-2016 09:23 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  My post just points out the how absurd these "unnamed sources" are when it comes to teams leaving conferences for other conferences....

Would you care for me to link the thousand so-called media reports from "unnamed sources" that The ACC was going to be pulled apart by The Big 12, Big Ten and SEC? I believe everyone is still waiting for that imminent Virginia or Georgia Tech to The Big 10 invite to be announced.

The reality is if you don't see how the failures of Big 12 leadership strongly parallel the failed leadership of The Big East you haven't been paying attention.
CJ

the reality is if you can't understand that the Big East and the Big 12 situations are nothing alike you are just not paying attention

1. the Big 12 does not have an issue with basketball schools and half the conference wanting to make decisions for the full conference that revolve around basketball and that care nothing about football

2. the Big 12 is currently very competitive financially with the other P5 conferences and will be more competitive with CCG money while the Big East was falling behind and getting worse with every subtraction and "addition"

3. the Big East added members many many times and often those new members were some of the first to also leave when the chance came

4. the Big 12 got a very very competitive media deals AFTER they added TCU and WVU while the Big East was still behind all the others no matter who they added

5. currently in the Big 12 the three members with the most likely "options" also make the most money when you count the meaningful 3rd tier especially for UT and OU and KU do just fine as well and are competitive with the SEC money wise

the same could not be said for the Big East where all those with options were leaving to get much better money

6. the ONLY similarity between the Big East and the Big 12 is that if the top teams left the Big 12 they would probably have issues getting a new TV contract

but again the same could be said for other conferences as well not named the SEC.....if tOSU, Michigan and MSU left the Big 10 they would have issues

if Clemson and FSU leave the ACC they will have issues

if Oregon and USC and UCLA left the PAC 12 they would have issues

and this is still where your argument about "adding any program with a pulse" falls apart because just like the Big East if the Big 12 makes the mistake of adding a bunch of teams that either dilute the payout of current members or teams that will subject themselves to 8 years of dramatically lower payouts that does ZERO to stabilize the conference as a POWER CONFERENCE long term

it just makes the Big 12 a lot more like the Big East where there are a bunch of teams that do not really want to be together watching others leave if they want to and can leave

that is simply what you can't grasp.....adding teams that no one cares about being in the conference does not keep UT or OU or KU in the conference if those programs decide they have better options

and what you can't seem to grasp is even if other teams are left behind in the Big 12 without UT or OU or KU the fact that they have already added any of the currently available teams does nothing to make any of those existing teams want to stay and it will do nothing to help the conference get a competitive contract.......just like all the new additions to the new Big East now called the AAC did not help them get a contract that was close to the P5 conferences nor did it help them get a major bowl deal or $50 million for the football playoffs annually

it helped them be the best of the rest of only slightly and the current members of the Big 12 minus UT and OU and any other team can most likely get that same type of crappy deal 9 years from now if UT and OU and any other program leave......adding any of the currently available teams is not going to stop the crappy deal from happening

(07-07-2016 09:25 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 08:09 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  These circular stories seem oddly familiar to those of us that followed The Big East. The Big East's refusal to add available talent like Memphis and UCF to increase its football membership led to conference members looking to other conferences. The Big 12 is presently walking down that same crooked path.

From the NY Post: Maryland to The Big East instead of expanding with Memphis or UCF?

http://nypost.com/2009/08/05/big-east-ma...area-bowl/

"Two sources said the eight-team Big East would consider adding a ninth member by exploring whether there was interest on behalf of Maryland to jump from the ACC, and for Boston College to rejoin the league.

Both seem a little far-fetched on the surface, but Maryland always has played Big East schools, and the balance of power in the ACC is in the south. And Boston College is learning that life in the ACC, where it has no natural rivals, isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.

The days of considering a Memphis or a Central Florida or an association with Army and Navy are over. The Big East, which went 4-2 in bowl games last season and has won three of its last four BCS games, is thinking of itself as operating from a position of strength."

Also from The NY Post: The Big East could add Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri

http://nypost.com/2011/09/05/big-east-co...-missouri/

According to multiple sources, the most likely scenario — should Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas and Texas Tech leave the Big 12 for the Pac-12 — would bring Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri to the Big East.

Eery similarity between the Big East thinking they were going to get Maryland and BC... and the Big XII thinking they are going to get two P5 teams. Will the end result be the same? TBD.

Sounds like the old big east schools fans are scared that the big 12 and big 10 might cherry pick the acc. You acc guys can write wishful hypothetical scenerios all you want.

Clemson and FSU will bolt at the first chance, probably to thr SEC. The big 10 could take a UVa or GaTech anytime they want. Texas is not gonna join the Average Coast Conference.

Lol at you goobers.

(07-07-2016 09:39 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Terry,

Yeah, but where is Texas gonna go?? They don't want SEC. Big Ten and PAC won't let Texas join with the LHN, they'd have to agree to give up all secondary rights to the conference and take "only" an equal share as all other conference teams from the revenues generated by the conf network. Probably the same with ACC, if it gets a conf network.

Independence would likely be a big paycut.

There's a reason they fight so hard to keep the status quo in the Big 12.

I don't know and don't really care where Texas goes. I just think it will figure something out.

You are watching what is going on with the Big 12 and you think it is going to survive the end of the GOR?

(07-07-2016 09:54 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 09:25 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 08:09 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  These circular stories seem oddly familiar to those of us that followed The Big East. The Big East's refusal to add available talent like Memphis and UCF to increase its football membership led to conference members looking to other conferences. The Big 12 is presently walking down that same crooked path.

From the NY Post: Maryland to The Big East instead of expanding with Memphis or UCF?

http://nypost.com/2009/08/05/big-east-ma...area-bowl/

"Two sources said the eight-team Big East would consider adding a ninth member by exploring whether there was interest on behalf of Maryland to jump from the ACC, and for Boston College to rejoin the league.

Both seem a little far-fetched on the surface, but Maryland always has played Big East schools, and the balance of power in the ACC is in the south. And Boston College is learning that life in the ACC, where it has no natural rivals, isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.

The days of considering a Memphis or a Central Florida or an association with Army and Navy are over. The Big East, which went 4-2 in bowl games last season and has won three of its last four BCS games, is thinking of itself as operating from a position of strength."

Also from The NY Post: The Big East could add Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri

http://nypost.com/2011/09/05/big-east-co...-missouri/

According to multiple sources, the most likely scenario — should Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas and Texas Tech leave the Big 12 for the Pac-12 — would bring Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri to the Big East.

Eery similarity between the Big East thinking they were going to get Maryland and BC... and the Big XII thinking they are going to get two P5 teams. Will the end result be the same? TBD.

Sounds like the old big east schools fans are scared that the big 12 and big 10 might cherry pick the acc. You acc guys can write wishful hypothetical scenerios all you want.

Clemson and FSU will bolt at the first chance, probably to thr SEC. The big 10 could take a UVa or GaTech anytime they want. Texas is not gonna join the Average Coast Conference.

Lol at you goobers.

Ah, the ol' "Anytime they want" argument...I'm still waiting on my answer, btw. If they could get 'em anytime they wanted, then why haven't they? Why didn't they just get 'em when they got Maryland? Why didn't the SEC see an opening and go after who they could take "whenever they wanted" when they snagged Mizzou? Were they somehow less valuable or desirable then? Or do you think they really didn't want to leave? All this time, and you still don't understand a single damned thing.

The only goober here is you, *******.