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Bob Bowlsby suggests an NCAA split may happen
Anyone who wants to fixate on Bob Bowlsby comments needs to read these comments and let them sink in.

He's saying that there are far bigger changes coming than whether the Big 12 has 10 or 12 members.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/s.../86723254/

Quote:But back to the crystal ball. In 10 years: Will the Big 12 be bigger?

“Yes, maybe,” Bowlsby said before posing his own questions: "Will the conference model exist? Will the national model look the same as it does today?

“Those are probably more significant questions.”
Quote:“There are about 100 schools that win about 95 percent of the NCAA championships,” Bowlsby said. “They really represent the face of what the American public sees as college athletics.”
Quote:“They’re not very much like the other 250 schools that are in Division I,” Bowlsby said of the majors. “When you overlap that with all the (NCAA) Division IIs and Division IIIs, it’s becoming increasingly difficult to make rules and to live by those rules.”
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I think you will see a split but no just the P5 but more like. FBS + Big East, A-10, WCC, MVC, Ivy League, and some a couple of other good schools in crap conferences like Denver. Probably be around 180 schools make a split from the NCAA/D1.
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(07-06-2016 12:01 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  I think you will see a split but no just the P5 but more like. FBS + Big East, A-10, WCC, MVC, Ivy League, and some a couple of other good schools in crap conferences like Denver. Probably be around 180 schools make a split from the NCAA/D1.

There is going to have to be a better balance between east and west, which is one of the points he made regarding how heavily weighted DI is towards schools east of the Mississippi.


You would have a tough time leaving out the main schools for a number of states. And why should a school that barely survives financially like ULM be allowed to remain just because they play FBS football?
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(07-06-2016 12:12 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-06-2016 12:01 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  I think you will see a split but no just the P5 but more like. FBS + Big East, A-10, WCC, MVC, Ivy League, and some a couple of other good schools in crap conferences like Denver. Probably be around 180 schools make a split from the NCAA/D1.

There is going to have to be a better balance between east and west, which is one of the points he made regarding how heavily weighted DI is towards schools east of the Mississippi.


You would have a tough time leaving out the main schools for a number of states. And why should a school that barely survives financially like ULM be allowed to remain just because they play FBS football?

But aren't there tons more schools and population east of the Mississippi?
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(07-06-2016 12:19 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(07-06-2016 12:12 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-06-2016 12:01 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  I think you will see a split but no just the P5 but more like. FBS + Big East, A-10, WCC, MVC, Ivy League, and some a couple of other good schools in crap conferences like Denver. Probably be around 180 schools make a split from the NCAA/D1.

There is going to have to be a better balance between east and west, which is one of the points he made regarding how heavily weighted DI is towards schools east of the Mississippi.


You would have a tough time leaving out the main schools for a number of states. And why should a school that barely survives financially like ULM be allowed to remain just because they play FBS football?

But aren't there tons more schools and population east of the Mississippi?


There are. But do you eliminate entire states out west and keep 6-8 schools in an eastern state, just because one of the sports played is more popular in one region?
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RE: Bob Bowlsby suggests an NCAA split may happen
(07-06-2016 12:22 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-06-2016 12:19 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(07-06-2016 12:12 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-06-2016 12:01 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  I think you will see a split but no just the P5 but more like. FBS + Big East, A-10, WCC, MVC, Ivy League, and some a couple of other good schools in crap conferences like Denver. Probably be around 180 schools make a split from the NCAA/D1.

There is going to have to be a better balance between east and west, which is one of the points he made regarding how heavily weighted DI is towards schools east of the Mississippi.


You would have a tough time leaving out the main schools for a number of states. And why should a school that barely survives financially like ULM be allowed to remain just because they play FBS football?

But aren't there tons more schools and population east of the Mississippi?


There are. But do you eliminate entire states out west and keep 6-8 schools in an eastern state, just because one of the sports played is more popular in one region?


Tough question. But ...

Probably.
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RE: Bob Bowlsby suggests an NCAA split may happen
(07-06-2016 12:22 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-06-2016 12:19 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(07-06-2016 12:12 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-06-2016 12:01 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  I think you will see a split but no just the P5 but more like. FBS + Big East, A-10, WCC, MVC, Ivy League, and some a couple of other good schools in crap conferences like Denver. Probably be around 180 schools make a split from the NCAA/D1.

There is going to have to be a better balance between east and west, which is one of the points he made regarding how heavily weighted DI is towards schools east of the Mississippi.


You would have a tough time leaving out the main schools for a number of states. And why should a school that barely survives financially like ULM be allowed to remain just because they play FBS football?

But aren't there tons more schools and population east of the Mississippi?


There are. But do you eliminate entire states out west and keep 6-8 schools in an eastern state, just because one of the sports played is more popular in one region?

I don't think you would. If you did FBS schools alone with no other criteria- you would have all but-
Montana
North Dakota
South Dakota
Vermont
New Hampshire
Maine
Delaware
Alaska

I could see Big Sky and America East added and that would allow teams in 48/50 states. All but Delaware and Alaska.

But the thing will be for inclusion they would need to up their resources. They wouldn't be allowed in with what they have right now.
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RE: Bob Bowlsby suggests an NCAA split may happen
The country is heavily weighted toward east of the Mississippi, especially the eastern time zone and always has been. The west is the inverse, there's more land but less population except on the West Coast. That's not a matter of discrimination, that's reality.
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RE: Bob Bowlsby suggests an NCAA split may happen
I don't think a "split" is as likely a redefinition of "Division 1."
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RE: Bob Bowlsby suggests an NCAA split may happen
Let's look at this question asked by Bowlsby:

Quote:Will the conference model exist?

That's a big part of what he's getting at.

Maybe it doesn't make sense, going forward, for a school to be part of the same conference and the same "NCAA division" for each sport. We already see a little of that: The current top-division national champ in men's basketball plays in the second division in football, in a football-only conference. (CAA Football is a separate football-only league and not part of the CAA, though the name is shared.)

There's no reason we can't have that across all sports. There doesn't even need to be the same number of divisions in each sport. There might be six football divisions, four basketball divisions, two soccer divisions, etc.

Schools could pick and choose their division (and league, maybe) for each sport, perhaps subject to both minimum and maximum financial limits (e.g., on one end, a school that plays in a middle-school-sized gym and pays its coaches $25,000/year shouldn't be playing top-division basketball, and on the other end, a school with a $100 million annual athletic budget probably shouldn't be permitted to go "trophy hunting" by competing in Division 3 baseball or Division 4 swimming).

Another possibility for a post-NCAA world is that most "Olympic sports" at the college level could be administered by the national sports organization for that sport (with a large increase in funding over what they have now, with the money coming from the participating schools). Each sport could have its own set of rules and the one-size-for-all rules of the NCAA would be unnecessary. The U.S. Soccer Federation could administer college soccer and run its championship tournaments. USA Swimming could administer college swimming, USA Gymnastics runs college gymnastics, USA Hockey runs college ice hockey, etc., etc.
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(07-06-2016 12:22 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-06-2016 12:19 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(07-06-2016 12:12 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(07-06-2016 12:01 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  I think you will see a split but no just the P5 but more like. FBS + Big East, A-10, WCC, MVC, Ivy League, and some a couple of other good schools in crap conferences like Denver. Probably be around 180 schools make a split from the NCAA/D1.

There is going to have to be a better balance between east and west, which is one of the points he made regarding how heavily weighted DI is towards schools east of the Mississippi.


You would have a tough time leaving out the main schools for a number of states. And why should a school that barely survives financially like ULM be allowed to remain just because they play FBS football?

But aren't there tons more schools and population east of the Mississippi?


There are. But do you eliminate entire states out west and keep 6-8 schools in an eastern state, just because one of the sports played is more popular in one region?

Life is not about being fair...there wouldn't be a hypothetical split in the first place.
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(07-06-2016 11:52 AM)Wedge Wrote:  Anyone who wants to fixate on Bob Bowlsby comments needs to read these comments and let them sink in.

He's saying that there are far bigger changes coming than whether the Big 12 has 10 or 12 members.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/s.../86723254/

Quote:But back to the crystal ball. In 10 years: Will the Big 12 be bigger?

“Yes, maybe,” Bowlsby said before posing his own questions: "Will the conference model exist? Will the national model look the same as it does today?

“Those are probably more significant questions.”
Quote:“There are about 100 schools that win about 95 percent of the NCAA championships,” Bowlsby said. “They really represent the face of what the American public sees as college athletics.”
Quote:“They’re not very much like the other 250 schools that are in Division I,” Bowlsby said of the majors. “When you overlap that with all the (NCAA) Division IIs and Division IIIs, it’s becoming increasingly difficult to make rules and to live by those rules.”

The only thing that's going to split is Bobs Bowels(by)
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(07-06-2016 11:52 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
Quote:“There are about 100 schools that win about 95 percent of the NCAA championships,” Bowlsby said. “They really represent the face of what the American public sees as college athletics.”
Quote:“They’re not very much like the other 250 schools that are in Division I,” Bowlsby said of the majors. “When you overlap that with all the (NCAA) Division IIs and Division IIIs, it’s becoming increasingly difficult to make rules and to live by those rules.”

After Villanova and UConn won the mens and women's basketball titles and Coastal Carolina won the baseball title, these statements really rub me the wrong way.
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(07-06-2016 02:51 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(07-06-2016 11:52 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
Quote:“There are about 100 schools that win about 95 percent of the NCAA championships,” Bowlsby said. “They really represent the face of what the American public sees as college athletics.”
Quote:“They’re not very much like the other 250 schools that are in Division I,” Bowlsby said of the majors. “When you overlap that with all the (NCAA) Division IIs and Division IIIs, it’s becoming increasingly difficult to make rules and to live by those rules.”

After Villanova and UConn won the mens and women's basketball titles and Coastal Carolina won the baseball title, these statements really rub me the wrong way.

Villanova, North Dakota, and Coastal Carolina were the only 3 schools that didn't have FBS programs that won D1 national championships this season. Out of 23 championships.

Also Nova and UConn would for sure be included in any split, and Coastal would be included as well quite possibly...
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So if he's talking 100 schools, then that's

Power 5 including Notre Dame (65)
American + MWC + BYU + Army in football (26)
Big East in basketball (10)

???
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(07-06-2016 03:18 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  So if he's talking 100 schools, then that's

Power 5 including Notre Dame (65)
American + MWC + BYU + Army in football (26)
Big East in basketball (10)

???

yep pretty much. so even with that- it's 21 of 23 that won championships this season from that group.
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It would be easier for others to win championships if it was a level playing field.
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I still think there will be 64 teams that leave (SEC +2, BIG +2, ACC Notre Dame +1 & PAC +4) and the easiest way to do this is split up the Big12. Just my two cents.
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(07-06-2016 03:26 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  It would be easier for others to win championships if it was a level playing field.

So is that an argument for a split?
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(07-06-2016 03:18 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  So if he's talking 100 schools, then that's

Power 5 including Notre Dame (65)
American + MWC + BYU + Army in football (26)
Big East in basketball (10)

???

I am a little confused how that would work for Army and Navy.
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