It is bad. So bad, it falls into the category of just-when-you-thought-things-couldn't-get-any-worse badness.

That's how dire the situation appears for Marshall University's athletic department as it attempts to deal with a critical financial dilemma.

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/ma...5e709.html

Looking at Marshall's schedules for the next few seasons, I don't see any money games:


http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/conf-usa...g-herd.php

Unless NCSU or Pitt back out of return games, I don't see a single money game on their schedules. I realize that forcing upper tier G5 teams into buy games is just what the P5 wants out of this new financial disparity, but Marshall is good enough to go beat teams like Indiana on the road, and cash a roughly $1M (give or take) check in the process. So I don't understand your scheduling when just one if those games per season would go a long way towards stopping the bleeding.

Our policy for a while has been no money games. If you aren't willing to come to Huntington, then we aren't interested in scheduling you. That may end up changing if finances demand, but that's the stance our athletic department has taken for the past few years.

This guy really has a hard on for you guys. Does he even report anything positive about Marshall?

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Damn, that's harsh.

(07-03-2016 05:33 PM)forphase1 Wrote:  Our policy for a while has been no money games. If you aren't willing to come to Huntington, then we aren't interested in scheduling you. That may end up changing if finances demand, but that's the stance our athletic department has taken for the past few years.

Thats getting harder to find. There's too much pride in the P5.

Unfortunately, this is the kind of news that is all too common in the G-5 conferences. While the P-5 schools look for places to spend their ridiculous television revenue, the G-5 institutions scrimp, look for savings and cut back programs. I wish I could say I thought it was going to get better, but that's not the way I see it.

(07-03-2016 08:37 PM)Doots4Dawgs Wrote:  

(07-03-2016 05:33 PM)forphase1 Wrote:  Our policy for a while has been no money games. If you aren't willing to come to Huntington, then we aren't interested in scheduling you. That may end up changing if finances demand, but that's the stance our athletic department has taken for the past few years.

Thats getting harder to find. There's too much pride in the P5.

See I kinda disagree. I feel like we're seeing more 1-1 and 2-1 games with G5 schools because 1 and done games are getting more and more expensive. Some P5 teams are finding that it's better to play a manageable road game at a G5 as opposed to shelling out big bucks to do a 1 game at home.

(07-03-2016 09:55 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(07-03-2016 08:37 PM)Doots4Dawgs Wrote:  

(07-03-2016 05:33 PM)forphase1 Wrote:  Our policy for a while has been no money games. If you aren't willing to come to Huntington, then we aren't interested in scheduling you. That may end up changing if finances demand, but that's the stance our athletic department has taken for the past few years.

Thats getting harder to find. There's too much pride in the P5.

See I kinda disagree. I feel like we're seeing more 1-1 and 2-1 games with G5 schools because 1 and done games are getting more and more expensive. Some P5 teams are finding that it's better to play a manageable road game at a G5 as opposed to shelling out big bucks to do a 1 game at home.

We are currently in a 2-1 with MSU, but they got us to push back our
home game to next year. A&M game scheduled for this year was moved back, we replaced with Texas Tech. Im still a bit mad the Arkansas game was moved to Fayetteville.

Im just glad these teams' fans arent too involved in these deals or we'd never get a 2-1.

Where was the Arkansas game originally scheduled for? Shreveport?

(07-03-2016 10:28 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  Where was the Arkansas game originally scheduled for? Shreveport?

Little Rock. About 3 hours closer. I get why Arkansas would want to move it, but I dont think we should allow these little things to just happen.

BERT hates playing in LR. They're playing Alcorn there this year since that's basically a guaranteed win.

(07-03-2016 11:06 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  BERT hates playing in LR. They're playing Alcorn there this year since that's basically a guaranteed win.

All of them hate LR... ya know, except the people in Little Rock. Or farther south from there. Little Rock might as well try to get their own team started back up.

Landon takes anything negative and runs with it. Ignore the idiot, if MU really was that hard up for money, they would find a way or donor to offset a 5 percent drop. Like some of you are suggesting with adding a money game in. Only issue with that is it can hurt what we've been trying to do since Hamrick got here. We make more off of a sold out stadium against Purdue, UL or whoever than taking a money game, that seems to get lost on some.

Like us, P5 schools play 12 regular season games and play 4 home and 4 away conference games. Unlike us, of the 4 out of conference games, they typically play 3 home and only 1 away. In other words, they play 7 home games and 5 away games each year. That's not going to change. With their huge stadiums, they make a killing off that additional home game per year because they fill it. Heck, Kentucky had 8 home games last year and zero road games OOC. I'd wager there were others.

Although there are a small handful of P5's that will play G5 teams on the road, there's not enough of them willing to play all of us on the road to go around.

It's a balancing act. Get the money game each year and almost always lose it or play a weak schedule and have a chance at a fluffy record which might increase your attendance numbers and/or increase your chances at getting Bowl eligible.

(07-04-2016 09:21 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  Like us, P5 schools play 12 regular season games and play 4 home and 4 away conference games. Unlike us, of the 4 out of conference games, they typically play 3 home and only 1 away. In other words, they play 7 home games and 5 away games each year. That's not going to change. With their huge stadiums, they make a killing off that additional home game per year because they fill it. Heck, Kentucky had 8 home games last year and zero road games OOC. I'd wager there were others.

Although there are a small handful of P5's that will play G5 teams on the road, there's not enough of them willing to play all of us on the road to go around.

It's a balancing act. Get the money game each year and almost always lose it or play a weak schedule and have a chance at a fluffy record which might increase your attendance numbers and/or increase your chances at getting Bowl eligible.

A lot of factors go into it, don't think its that simple. If you are a G5, the uphill battle has always been there, but there are other factors that get looked at when these so called P5 schools consider playing away games at G5's. #1 recruiting, is it an area they recruit? #2 branding, does the program have branding to warrant it #3 stadium size, peps can say what they want, but the bigger and nicer their stadium, the more you gonna get those home games vs p5.

Of course not all P5's are created equal same as not all G5's are equal, so those wake forest, Indiana, purdue schools know they are going to have a much harder time strong arming a ECU, Marshall, Boise, USM etc.

(07-04-2016 09:45 AM)herdinva Wrote:  A lot of factors go into it, don't think its that simple. If you are a G5, the uphill battle has always been there, but there are other factors that get looked at when these so called P5 schools consider playing away games at G5's. #1 recruiting, is it an area they recruit? #2 branding, does the program have branding to warrant it #3 stadium size, peps can say what they want, but the bigger and nicer their stadium, the more you gonna get those home games vs p5.

Of course not all P5's are created equal same as not all G5's are equal, so those wake forest, Indiana, purdue schools know they are going to have a much harder time strong arming a ECU, Marshall, Boise, USM etc.

I don't disagree with any of that. What I was getting at is that the numbers just don't add up for a G5 to expect to get a home P5 game every year or even 2 or 3 years. There are approximately 60 P5 schools. The P5 schools typically only play one FBS OOC game on the road per year. Of those 60 games, I'd bet the bulk of them are against other P5 schools. In essence, the 60+ G5 schools are fighting for probably only 10-20 games at home per year with P5 schools. 20 is probably a huge stretch.

I only brought it up because some posters above were implying they have leverage to play 1 and 1's. They(we, the G5) don't. There just aren't enough of those opportunities to go around. Heck, I consider WKU lucky in that we've had 2 P5 home games in the last 6 years (Indiana and Vanderbilt).

Surely someone with data and time (WKUYG) could quickly provide the numbers.

(07-04-2016 09:45 AM)herdinva Wrote:  

(07-04-2016 09:21 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  Like us, P5 schools play 12 regular season games and play 4 home and 4 away conference games. Unlike us, of the 4 out of conference games, they typically play 3 home and only 1 away. In other words, they play 7 home games and 5 away games each year. That's not going to change. With their huge stadiums, they make a killing off that additional home game per year because they fill it. Heck, Kentucky had 8 home games last year and zero road games OOC. I'd wager there were others.

Although there are a small handful of P5's that will play G5 teams on the road, there's not enough of them willing to play all of us on the road to go around.

It's a balancing act. Get the money game each year and almost always lose it or play a weak schedule and have a chance at a fluffy record which might increase your attendance numbers and/or increase your chances at getting Bowl eligible.

A lot of factors go into it, don't think its that simple. If you are a G5, the uphill battle has always been there, but there are other factors that get looked at when these so called P5 schools consider playing away games at G5's. #1 recruiting, is it an area they recruit? #2 branding, does the program have branding to warrant it #3 stadium size, peps can say what they want, but the bigger and nicer their stadium, the more you gonna get those home games vs p5.

Of course not all P5's are created equal same as not all G5's are equal, so those wake forest, Indiana, purdue schools know they are going to have a much harder time strong arming a ECU, Marshall, Boise, USM etc.

Very true. UTEP would never be able to pull off 1 and 1 with Texas or Oklahoma. Those are 2 for 1 deals. But Arizona and Texas Tech are doing 1 for 1 deals with UTEP. Close geography helps since they don't have to spend a fortune to get to El Paso either.

(07-04-2016 11:23 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(07-04-2016 09:45 AM)herdinva Wrote:  

(07-04-2016 09:21 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  Like us, P5 schools play 12 regular season games and play 4 home and 4 away conference games. Unlike us, of the 4 out of conference games, they typically play 3 home and only 1 away. In other words, they play 7 home games and 5 away games each year. That's not going to change. With their huge stadiums, they make a killing off that additional home game per year because they fill it. Heck, Kentucky had 8 home games last year and zero road games OOC. I'd wager there were others.

Although there are a small handful of P5's that will play G5 teams on the road, there's not enough of them willing to play all of us on the road to go around.

It's a balancing act. Get the money game each year and almost always lose it or play a weak schedule and have a chance at a fluffy record which might increase your attendance numbers and/or increase your chances at getting Bowl eligible.

A lot of factors go into it, don't think its that simple. If you are a G5, the uphill battle has always been there, but there are other factors that get looked at when these so called P5 schools consider playing away games at G5's. #1 recruiting, is it an area they recruit? #2 branding, does the program have branding to warrant it #3 stadium size, peps can say what they want, but the bigger and nicer their stadium, the more you gonna get those home games vs p5.

Of course not all P5's are created equal same as not all G5's are equal, so those wake forest, Indiana, purdue schools know they are going to have a much harder time strong arming a ECU, Marshall, Boise, USM etc.

Very true. UTEP would never be able to pull off 1 and 1 with Texas or Oklahoma. Those are 2 for 1 deals. But Arizona and Texas Tech are doing 1 for 1 deals with UTEP. Close geography helps since they don't have to spend a fortune to get to El Paso either.

to me, the size of the stadium plays a bigger role in getting P5 schools to give you a home game than most people realize. Apps done okay so far, but Miami was a fluke situation that just fell into our laps, and Wake wanted to start back up the rivalry with us. But the rumor is, we have heard from a lot of schools who will not make the trip up the mountain until will increase our seating capacity, if we cant take care of their fan base, then don't bother calling us.

Not sure why Chuck Landon always reports something negative about Marshal. I am not saying he shouldn't reveal problems but all i ever hear from him was negative stuff. Anyways here is an outlook for ODU on its finances from one of the guys that cover ODU Basketball and other stuff.

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/teel-bl...-post.html