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RE: NCAA announces new rules for filling bowl slots with 5-7 teams
(06-30-2016 09:48 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Fair enough, that reasonably answers the secondary question: all of those seven bowls probably did send invites to those remaining P5 6-6 teams, and AF, NM and HoD won.


But the primary question remains: what happens then if the remaining four bowls, which lost out on the remaining P5 6-6 teams, all refuse to send an invite to 6-6 Nevada??? IE, they all tell the NCAA and/or CFP(?) that "we don't want Nevada, we will NOT be sending them an invite, come try to make us!"

Then what?


I for one, will be hoping for a scenario like that. Because every time the NCAA tries to tweak it's precious little bowl rules, it ends up blowing up in their faces somehow. So eventually, with enough egg on their faces, I'm hoping the NCAA will just throw its hands in the air and do what should be done right now: let all bowls fill their slots via contracts with conferences, regardless what the records are for the teams that the conferences send them!


Also, does no one else see the ridiculous irony here?? 6-6 Nevada, which plays by the rules of eligibility, is likely forced into one of the crummiest bowls because none of the bowls want them, while 5-7 San Jose St gets to pick and choose which bowl it wants to go to. What a joke.

That's never happening though. Because the absolute last thing that ever is going to happen is losing teams making bowl games while 6-6 or better schools miss bowl games. You can take that to the bank.
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RE: NCAA announces new rules for filling bowl slots with 5-7 teams
(06-30-2016 09:48 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Fair enough, that reasonably answers the secondary question: all of those seven bowls probably did send invites to those remaining P5 6-6 teams, and AF, NM and HoD won.


But the primary question remains: what happens then if the remaining four bowls, which lost out on the remaining P5 6-6 teams, all refuse to send an invite to 6-6 Nevada??? IE, they all tell the NCAA and/or CFP(?) that "we don't want Nevada, we will NOT be sending them an invite, come try to make us!"

Then what?


I for one, will be hoping for a scenario like that. Because every time the NCAA tries to tweak it's precious little bowl rules, it ends up blowing up in their faces somehow. So eventually, with enough egg on their faces, I'm hoping the NCAA will just throw its hands in the air and do what should be done right now: let all bowls fill their slots via contracts with conferences, regardless what the records are for the teams that the conferences send them!


Also, does no one else see the ridiculous irony here?? 6-6 Nevada, which plays by the rules of eligibility, is likely forced into one of the crummiest bowls because none of the bowls want them, while 5-7 San Jose St gets to pick and choose which bowl it wants to go to. What a joke.

To your last point- San Jose St doesn't get to pick and choose which bowl it wants to go to. Last year- San Jose St would almost guaranteed have been forced to the Arizona bowl to play a conference rival.

I think 1 point- odds are pretty good that we don't see this scenario happen again. Going to have in the next few years a net increase of 1 FBS team(adding back UAB and Coastal Carolina- losing Idaho.).
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(#61) I highly doubt it happens, as well.

(#62) So then change SJ to Nebraska. Why does 5-7 Nebraska get to pick and choose, while 6-6 Nevada is forced into the toilet bowl?? That's what the NCAA rules say.

Would not be surprised at all if 5-7 teams are in bowls this year too.


And since no one has answered my primary question yet, I'll assume that no one really knows what will happen. Let the chaos begin!
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...ams-picked

In casing your were wondering about increasing the wins to 7 games.

"Bowlsby said raising the bowl-eligibility standard to 7-5 was not seriously considered in part because it would have "put a lot of bowls out of business."

"I think the general feeling was the train had left the station and the expectation was 6-6 was where we'd be," he told ESPN.com. "The practical aspect was, we didn't think we could get there."
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RE: NCAA announces new rules for filling bowl slots with 5-7 teams
(06-30-2016 10:02 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  (#61) I highly doubt it happens, as well.

(#62) So then change SJ to Nebraska. Why does 5-7 Nebraska get to pick and choose, while 6-6 Nevada is forced into the toilet bowl?? That's what the NCAA rules say.

Would not be surprised at all if 5-7 teams are in bowls this year too.


And since no one has answered my primary question yet, I'll assume that no one really knows what will happen. Let the chaos begin!

I posted this early and agree with you. It seems the at-large 6-6 teams should get to decide.

At-Large 6-6 teams. If more than one, use APR to allow the team to pick.
Alternate 5-7 teams, place in closet region doing the best to avoid intra-conference games or re-matches. This seems much fairer but again this is FBS Football. 04-cheers
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(06-29-2016 01:18 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(06-29-2016 12:51 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I still don't see how this would have prevented the Arizona Bowl from having to MWC teams play each other. Nebraska and Minnesota are going to do what the B10 tells them for the B10 bowl-tie ins happen. San Jose still probably chooses the bowl that has a TV Contract over the Az Bowl. Still appears to be be the exact same process.

The new rules are intended to push bowls to take available 6-6 teams so that they don't get stuck with a 5-7 team that gets to choose which vacancy it wants.

Also, 5-7 teams are now "alternates" and not strictly bowl-eligible, so a 5-7 team does not get to claim one of its conference's bowl ties. The ties are only valid when a conference has enough 6-6 or better teams available.

So, for example, 5-7 Nebraska could not have locked itself into a Big Ten bowl tie last season; the tie would have been void and the FF Bowl would have had the option of choosing any available 6-6 or better team.

It's a fix, but it's not perfect. In 2015 the first-in-line 5-7 team would still have been Nebraska based on the APR rules, so the FF Bowl might have chosen to "roll the dice" and not take (for example) 6-6 Nevada in the hopes they'd still end up with 5-7 Nebraska. But if the first-in-line 5-7 team had been any team less attractive than Nebraska, the FF Bowl would have taken Nevada. A bowl is likely to prefer a G5 team that is 200 miles away to a team that is 1,500 miles away, unless the faraway team is a football "king" like Nebraska.

I think its pretty obvious that when the Liberty Bowl took Iowa State over Arkansas State a few years back that just about every bowl is going to take the P5 over the G5, even if that G5 has a vastly better record.

I think a way around that would be to assign the 5-7 teams by a random draw, but trying to avoid conference vs conference matchups. That way, a bowl might have to think twice about trying to avoid taking a team in the hopes of landing a P5. You might get Nebraska. But if you don't, you might end up with South Alabama or Old Dominion.

Still wouldn't get rid of the whole issue, but would introduce some sort of 'fear' into the bowls. The Hawaii Bowl might pass over a 6-6 San Jose in order to hope for a 5-7 UCLA, but might end up with a 5-7 South Alabama team as a result. It all depends on what the APR scores are of the 5-7 teams.
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RE: NCAA announces new rules for filling bowl slots with 5-7 teams
(07-01-2016 11:59 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(06-29-2016 01:18 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(06-29-2016 12:51 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I still don't see how this would have prevented the Arizona Bowl from having to MWC teams play each other. Nebraska and Minnesota are going to do what the B10 tells them for the B10 bowl-tie ins happen. San Jose still probably chooses the bowl that has a TV Contract over the Az Bowl. Still appears to be be the exact same process.

The new rules are intended to push bowls to take available 6-6 teams so that they don't get stuck with a 5-7 team that gets to choose which vacancy it wants.

Also, 5-7 teams are now "alternates" and not strictly bowl-eligible, so a 5-7 team does not get to claim one of its conference's bowl ties. The ties are only valid when a conference has enough 6-6 or better teams available.

So, for example, 5-7 Nebraska could not have locked itself into a Big Ten bowl tie last season; the tie would have been void and the FF Bowl would have had the option of choosing any available 6-6 or better team.

It's a fix, but it's not perfect. In 2015 the first-in-line 5-7 team would still have been Nebraska based on the APR rules, so the FF Bowl might have chosen to "roll the dice" and not take (for example) 6-6 Nevada in the hopes they'd still end up with 5-7 Nebraska. But if the first-in-line 5-7 team had been any team less attractive than Nebraska, the FF Bowl would have taken Nevada. A bowl is likely to prefer a G5 team that is 200 miles away to a team that is 1,500 miles away, unless the faraway team is a football "king" like Nebraska.

I think its pretty obvious that when the Liberty Bowl took Iowa State over Arkansas State a few years back that just about every bowl is going to take the P5 over the G5, even if that G5 has a vastly better record.

I think a way around that would be to assign the 5-7 teams by a random draw, but trying to avoid conference vs conference matchups. That way, a bowl might have to think twice about trying to avoid taking a team in the hopes of landing a P5. You might get Nebraska. But if you don't, you might end up with South Alabama or Old Dominion.

Still wouldn't get rid of the whole issue, but would introduce some sort of 'fear' into the bowls. The Hawaii Bowl might pass over a 6-6 San Jose in order to hope for a 5-7 UCLA, but might end up with a 5-7 South Alabama team as a result. It all depends on what the APR scores are of the 5-7 teams.

I think after last year Foster Farms Bowl that even a 5-7 Nebraska showed it won't bring fans to bowls with a losing record. You'll get more fans to attend from a G5 school that has a decent record that would otherwise be left out (i.e. Arkansas St. )
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(06-29-2016 09:07 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  This helps the Sun Belt, CUSA, and MAC the most. Those conferences have the fewest annual tie ins, and are most likely to have an excess 6-6 team.

Yes, it's a rare rule that actually is skewed towards the weaker conferences.

I mean, let's face it: Any bowl and TV would much, much rather have a 5-7 Nebraska than a 6-6 Georgia State.
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And when you think about it, a 6-6 G5 team only has to beat a FCS team + five G5 teams to obtain the "eligibility blessing".

The "a win's a win" basis is bunk. But it's simple.
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well the Big Ten didn't exactly fight this tooth and nail- so don't think the powers that be with the Big Ten really care much on this. Especially big given them going to 9 conference games.
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NCAA announces new rules for filling bowl slots with 5-7 teams
(07-01-2016 11:59 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(06-29-2016 01:18 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(06-29-2016 12:51 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I still don't see how this would have prevented the Arizona Bowl from having to MWC teams play each other. Nebraska and Minnesota are going to do what the B10 tells them for the B10 bowl-tie ins happen. San Jose still probably chooses the bowl that has a TV Contract over the Az Bowl. Still appears to be be the exact same process.

The new rules are intended to push bowls to take available 6-6 teams so that they don't get stuck with a 5-7 team that gets to choose which vacancy it wants.

Also, 5-7 teams are now "alternates" and not strictly bowl-eligible, so a 5-7 team does not get to claim one of its conference's bowl ties. The ties are only valid when a conference has enough 6-6 or better teams available.

So, for example, 5-7 Nebraska could not have locked itself into a Big Ten bowl tie last season; the tie would have been void and the FF Bowl would have had the option of choosing any available 6-6 or better team.

It's a fix, but it's not perfect. In 2015 the first-in-line 5-7 team would still have been Nebraska based on the APR rules, so the FF Bowl might have chosen to "roll the dice" and not take (for example) 6-6 Nevada in the hopes they'd still end up with 5-7 Nebraska. But if the first-in-line 5-7 team had been any team less attractive than Nebraska, the FF Bowl would have taken Nevada. A bowl is likely to prefer a G5 team that is 200 miles away to a team that is 1,500 miles away, unless the faraway team is a football "king" like Nebraska.

I think its pretty obvious that when the Liberty Bowl took Iowa State over Arkansas State a few years back that just about every bowl is going to take the P5 over the G5, even if that G5 has a vastly better record.

I think a way around that would be to assign the 5-7 teams by a random draw, but trying to avoid conference vs conference matchups. That way, a bowl might have to think twice about trying to avoid taking a team in the hopes of landing a P5. You might get Nebraska. But if you don't, you might end up with South Alabama or Old Dominion.

Still wouldn't get rid of the whole issue, but would introduce some sort of 'fear' into the bowls. The Hawaii Bowl might pass over a 6-6 San Jose in order to hope for a 5-7 UCLA, but might end up with a 5-7 South Alabama team as a result. It all depends on what the APR scores are of the 5-7 teams.


ISU travels FAR better than anyone gives them credit for. That was a monetary decision to invite a fanbase that is regional and will show up in force. No offense to any ASU fans but I think the Liberty bowl was simply chasing revenue with that one
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There is only one way to settle this. You need a college bowl committee to assign teams to each bowl.
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I think it is time to look at the rules, and the NCAA needs to reclassify FCS schools on who should be FBS. There are many at FCS that are FBS type schools that needs to be brought up. This should also include D2 schools. Some of them play like they belong in FBS than D2 for being dominate.
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goof,

No. The correct way to settle it is for non-CFP bowls to be allowed to contract with whichever conferences they choose and for those conferences to be able to send whichever teams they choose to the bowl game, regardless of records, based on their contracts with the bowls. 07-coffee3
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(07-07-2016 09:15 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  goof,

No. The correct way to settle it is for non-CFP bowls to be allowed to contract with whichever conferences they choose and for those conferences to be able to send whichever teams they choose to the bowl game, regardless of records, based on their contracts with the bowls. 07-coffee3

Oh boo hoo. No one outside of you wants to see a 3-9 team in a bowl game.

I didn't see Delaney or anyone from the Big Ten fight for 5 wins being the standard, now did I?
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So what? I'm still right.

No one except me ... and the fans of that 3-9 Big Ten team, which would boost the ratings of that low end bowl game higher than they'd be with 7-5 G5 teams. I wonder which one the bowl would select ... 07-coffee3
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(07-07-2016 09:21 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(07-07-2016 09:15 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  goof,

No. The correct way to settle it is for non-CFP bowls to be allowed to contract with whichever conferences they choose and for those conferences to be able to send whichever teams they choose to the bowl game, regardless of records, based on their contracts with the bowls. 07-coffee3

Oh boo hoo. No one outside of you wants to see a 3-9 team in a bowl game.

I didn't see Delaney or anyone from the Big Ten fight for 5 wins being the standard, now did I?


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