"On Tuesday, Wichita State released its latest look at the football issue, a 69-page “Football Benchmarking Analysis” prepared by College Sports Solutions at a cost of around $60,000. Interim athletic director Darron Boatright will discuss the report Tuesday. Football remains expensive and the report details start-up facility costs of more than $40 million and football budgets that start around $6 million annually...

WSU’s institutional and financial profile is closer in some cases to FCS schools than it is to FBS schools.
Its undergraduate enrollment of 8,690 (Fall 2014) ranks below the 25th percentile for FBS schools in conferences such as the American, Mountain West, Sun Belt, Mid-American and Conference USA. WSU’s institutional expenditures of $292 million (2015) are more comparable to FCS schools and again ranks in the bottom 25 percent of FBS schools from those conferences.
WSU’s athletic budget of $25 million ranks in the 75th percentile of FCS schools and in the 25th percentile of similar FBS schools. Football, of course, accounts for much of that disparity."

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Read more here: kansas.com/sports/college/wichita-state/article86293007.html#storylink=cpy

I had no idea Wichita State had a smaller enrollment than UALR.

(06-29-2016 08:04 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  I had no idea Wichita State had a smaller enrollment than UALR.

Would you say that was a 'shocker'?

(06-29-2016 09:10 AM)ButlerGSU Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 08:04 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  I had no idea Wichita State had a smaller enrollment than UALR.

Would you say that was a 'shocker'?

Nice, lol

As successful as basketball has been its still surprising that overall their infrastructure and finances are more in line with FCS level than FBS

(06-29-2016 11:26 AM)RamblinRedWolf44 Wrote:  As successful as basketball has been its still surprising that overall their infrastructure and finances are more in line with FCS level than FBS

Wichita State fans are the biggest ego fans you will ever meet. They are about as bad as the Wal-Mart tshirt fans of the SEC.

(06-29-2016 11:26 AM)RamblinRedWolf44 Wrote:  As successful as basketball has been its still surprising that overall their infrastructure and finances are more in line with FCS level than FBS

If we wanted 12 teams I would love to see us add Wichita St and Missouri St but since 10 is the optimum number I just can't see taking the risk.

On top of that I don't see any other FBS league taking the risk on them either so hope they like FCS.

If I were them, and remember how similar we are (once had football, played each other, dropped it at the same time), I'd be happy to field any kind of team. Now maybe things change down the line, but I'd be a happy SLC football supporter if UTA was there.

(06-29-2016 11:43 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 11:26 AM)RamblinRedWolf44 Wrote:  As successful as basketball has been its still surprising that overall their infrastructure and finances are more in line with FCS level than FBS

If we wanted 12 teams I would love to see us add Wichita St and Missouri St but since 10 is the optimum number I just can't see taking the risk.

On top of that I don't see any other FBS league taking the risk on them either so hope they like FCS.

IDK, I think your first inclination may be right. I think a Missouri St / Wichita St deal would merit serious considerations if the bosses could make the CFP $ numbers work.
a.) If 10 teams gets us a $10 million share or 12 teams gets us a $10 million share then its a non-starter.
b.) If it's FB only it's a non-starter.
c.) If its's 10 for $10 million or 12 for $12 million, with all-sports in play then we have to consider the basketball value those two teams bring the conference.
In THAT scenario I say we go for it. Tapping into the mid-west, getting one of the top-mid major bb schools has to warrant more money and attention then our former or current TV contracts.

(06-29-2016 11:43 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 11:26 AM)RamblinRedWolf44 Wrote:  As successful as basketball has been its still surprising that overall their infrastructure and finances are more in line with FCS level than FBS

If we wanted 12 teams I would love to see us add Wichita St and Missouri St but since 10 is the optimum number I just can't see taking the risk.

On top of that I don't see any other FBS league taking the risk on them either so hope they like FCS.

Baseball in the Sun Belt would be even more of a dog eat dog league. Traditionally baseball is the strongest sport for both of us.

(06-29-2016 11:59 AM)ChooChoo Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 11:43 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 11:26 AM)RamblinRedWolf44 Wrote:  As successful as basketball has been its still surprising that overall their infrastructure and finances are more in line with FCS level than FBS

If we wanted 12 teams I would love to see us add Wichita St and Missouri St but since 10 is the optimum number I just can't see taking the risk.

On top of that I don't see any other FBS league taking the risk on them either so hope they like FCS.

IDK, I think your first inclination may be right. I think a Missouri St / Wichita St deal would merit serious considerations if the bosses could make the CFP $ numbers work.
a.) If 10 teams gets us a $10 million share or 12 teams gets us a $10 million share then its a non-starter.
b.) If it's FB only it's a non-starter.
c.) If its's 10 for $10 million or 12 for $12 million, with all-sports in play then we have to consider the basketball value those two teams bring the conference.
In THAT scenario I say we go for it. Tapping into the mid-west, getting one of the top-mid major bb schools has to warrant more money and attention then our former or current TV contracts.

An extra unit or two in the NCAA BBall tourney would more than make up that difference.

(06-29-2016 12:14 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 11:59 AM)ChooChoo Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 11:43 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 11:26 AM)RamblinRedWolf44 Wrote:  As successful as basketball has been its still surprising that overall their infrastructure and finances are more in line with FCS level than FBS

If we wanted 12 teams I would love to see us add Wichita St and Missouri St but since 10 is the optimum number I just can't see taking the risk.

On top of that I don't see any other FBS league taking the risk on them either so hope they like FCS.

IDK, I think your first inclination may be right. I think a Missouri St / Wichita St deal would merit serious considerations if the bosses could make the CFP $ numbers work.
a.) If 10 teams gets us a $10 million share or 12 teams gets us a $10 million share then its a non-starter.
b.) If it's FB only it's a non-starter.
c.) If its's 10 for $10 million or 12 for $12 million, with all-sports in play then we have to consider the basketball value those two teams bring the conference.
In THAT scenario I say we go for it. Tapping into the mid-west, getting one of the top-mid major bb schools has to warrant more money and attention then our former or current TV contracts.

An extra unit or two in the NCAA BBall tourney would more than make up that difference.

Go look up the last time Mo State made an NCAA men's appearance.

Shocked me.


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(06-29-2016 12:27 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 12:14 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 11:59 AM)ChooChoo Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 11:43 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 11:26 AM)RamblinRedWolf44 Wrote:  As successful as basketball has been its still surprising that overall their infrastructure and finances are more in line with FCS level than FBS

If we wanted 12 teams I would love to see us add Wichita St and Missouri St but since 10 is the optimum number I just can't see taking the risk.

On top of that I don't see any other FBS league taking the risk on them either so hope they like FCS.

IDK, I think your first inclination may be right. I think a Missouri St / Wichita St deal would merit serious considerations if the bosses could make the CFP $ numbers work.
a.) If 10 teams gets us a $10 million share or 12 teams gets us a $10 million share then its a non-starter.
b.) If it's FB only it's a non-starter.
c.) If its's 10 for $10 million or 12 for $12 million, with all-sports in play then we have to consider the basketball value those two teams bring the conference.
In THAT scenario I say we go for it. Tapping into the mid-west, getting one of the top-mid major bb schools has to warrant more money and attention then our former or current TV contracts.

An extra unit or two in the NCAA BBall tourney would more than make up that difference.

Go look up the last time Mo State made an NCAA men's appearance.

Shocked me.


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Yep. And the big thing with units is the capability to get at-large bids and win games once you get there.

Mo State got an at-large and won 2 games in 98-99. That's awesome and adds 3 extra units of value. Unfortunately, that's their only tourney appearance since 91-92.

I went back to the 74-75 season and Mo State has had 3 at-large bids and 3 tourney wins. I don't feel like 6 extra units in 41 years is enough to balance out the hit we'd take in football.

None of it would matter because they wouldn't join the Sunbelt.

(06-29-2016 12:39 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  None of it would matter because they wouldn't join the Sunbelt.

If they wanted to play FBS football they would.


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(06-29-2016 09:10 AM)ButlerGSU Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 08:04 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  I had no idea Wichita State had a smaller enrollment than UALR.

Would you say that was a 'shocker'?

Well done. Y'all might end up being a good addition after all.

(06-29-2016 11:59 AM)ChooChoo Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 11:43 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 11:26 AM)RamblinRedWolf44 Wrote:  As successful as basketball has been its still surprising that overall their infrastructure and finances are more in line with FCS level than FBS

If we wanted 12 teams I would love to see us add Wichita St and Missouri St but since 10 is the optimum number I just can't see taking the risk.

On top of that I don't see any other FBS league taking the risk on them either so hope they like FCS.

IDK, I think your first inclination may be right. I think a Missouri St / Wichita St deal would merit serious considerations if the bosses could make the CFP $ numbers work.
a.) If 10 teams gets us a $10 million share or 12 teams gets us a $10 million share then its a non-starter.
b.) If it's FB only it's a non-starter.
c.) If its's 10 for $10 million or 12 for $12 million, with all-sports in play then we have to consider the basketball value those two teams bring the conference.
In THAT scenario I say we go for it. Tapping into the mid-west, getting one of the top-mid major bb schools has to warrant more money and attention then our former or current TV contracts.

The problem is that it will be $10 million for 12 teams so unless we are sure they get us an at large in the NCAA tourney it would be a risk. Maybe Wichita St and NMSU would be a better pair for getting an at large but I'm partial to Missouri St since I spent 12 years living in southern Missouri as a kid and attended many a Bear's basketball game.

(06-29-2016 12:32 PM)Klak Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 12:27 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 12:14 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 11:59 AM)ChooChoo Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 11:43 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  If we wanted 12 teams I would love to see us add Wichita St and Missouri St but since 10 is the optimum number I just can't see taking the risk.

On top of that I don't see any other FBS league taking the risk on them either so hope they like FCS.

IDK, I think your first inclination may be right. I think a Missouri St / Wichita St deal would merit serious considerations if the bosses could make the CFP $ numbers work.
a.) If 10 teams gets us a $10 million share or 12 teams gets us a $10 million share then its a non-starter.
b.) If it's FB only it's a non-starter.
c.) If its's 10 for $10 million or 12 for $12 million, with all-sports in play then we have to consider the basketball value those two teams bring the conference.
In THAT scenario I say we go for it. Tapping into the mid-west, getting one of the top-mid major bb schools has to warrant more money and attention then our former or current TV contracts.

An extra unit or two in the NCAA BBall tourney would more than make up that difference.

Go look up the last time Mo State made an NCAA men's appearance.

Shocked me.


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Yep. And the big thing with units is the capability to get at-large bids and win games once you get there.

Mo State got an at-large and won 2 games in 98-99. That's awesome and adds 3 extra units of value. Unfortunately, that's their only tourney appearance since 91-92.

I went back to the 74-75 season and Mo State has had 3 at-large bids and 3 tourney wins. I don't feel like 6 extra units in 41 years is enough to balance out the hit we'd take in football.

If it was a package deal with Wichita State, which is what I was referring to, then yes, it absolutely is. Unless you think 11 teams is beneficial.

(06-30-2016 11:09 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 12:32 PM)Klak Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 12:27 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 12:14 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 11:59 AM)ChooChoo Wrote:  IDK, I think your first inclination may be right. I think a Missouri St / Wichita St deal would merit serious considerations if the bosses could make the CFP $ numbers work.
a.) If 10 teams gets us a $10 million share or 12 teams gets us a $10 million share then its a non-starter.
b.) If it's FB only it's a non-starter.
c.) If its's 10 for $10 million or 12 for $12 million, with all-sports in play then we have to consider the basketball value those two teams bring the conference.
In THAT scenario I say we go for it. Tapping into the mid-west, getting one of the top-mid major bb schools has to warrant more money and attention then our former or current TV contracts.

An extra unit or two in the NCAA BBall tourney would more than make up that difference.

Go look up the last time Mo State made an NCAA men's appearance.

Shocked me.


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Yep. And the big thing with units is the capability to get at-large bids and win games once you get there.

Mo State got an at-large and won 2 games in 98-99. That's awesome and adds 3 extra units of value. Unfortunately, that's their only tourney appearance since 91-92.

I went back to the 74-75 season and Mo State has had 3 at-large bids and 3 tourney wins. I don't feel like 6 extra units in 41 years is enough to balance out the hit we'd take in football.

If it was a package deal with Wichita State, which is what I was referring to, then yes, it absolutely is. Unless you think 11 teams is beneficial.

I don't think a package deal with Wichita State would ever happen.

They're not lowering their basketball to the Sun Belt in exchange for a home for an FBS start up in football. We aren't going to add a football only member either.




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(06-30-2016 11:09 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 12:32 PM)Klak Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 12:27 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 12:14 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(06-29-2016 11:59 AM)ChooChoo Wrote:  IDK, I think your first inclination may be right. I think a Missouri St / Wichita St deal would merit serious considerations if the bosses could make the CFP $ numbers work.
a.) If 10 teams gets us a $10 million share or 12 teams gets us a $10 million share then its a non-starter.
b.) If it's FB only it's a non-starter.
c.) If its's 10 for $10 million or 12 for $12 million, with all-sports in play then we have to consider the basketball value those two teams bring the conference.
In THAT scenario I say we go for it. Tapping into the mid-west, getting one of the top-mid major bb schools has to warrant more money and attention then our former or current TV contracts.

An extra unit or two in the NCAA BBall tourney would more than make up that difference.

Go look up the last time Mo State made an NCAA men's appearance.

Shocked me.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yep. And the big thing with units is the capability to get at-large bids and win games once you get there.

Mo State got an at-large and won 2 games in 98-99. That's awesome and adds 3 extra units of value. Unfortunately, that's their only tourney appearance since 91-92.

I went back to the 74-75 season and Mo State has had 3 at-large bids and 3 tourney wins. I don't feel like 6 extra units in 41 years is enough to balance out the hit we'd take in football.

If it was a package deal with Wichita State, which is what I was referring to, then yes, it absolutely is. Unless you think 11 teams is beneficial.

If it makes any difference the 74-75 season was at the Division II level. That's still an accomplishment to be proud of. The first D I appearance was in 1987.