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Judge Napolitano: “Nobody died until 05:13 in the morning”
He says all shooting victims, injured and those who died, were all shot after SWAT stormed the building / Pulse club? Is this true? Did SWAT shoot some people?



06-28-2016 01:32 PM
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RE: Judge Napolitano: “Nobody died until 05:13 in the morning”
Some could have died later due to injuries sustained from earlier gunshot wounds.

I didn't follow this all that closely, but I seem to remember reading somewhere that the guy had some people held as hostage for awhile, then left, and at some point went back in and then started shooting. So I guess it's possible this didn't start until this time of the morning.
06-28-2016 01:37 PM
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RE: Judge Napolitano: “Nobody died until 05:13 in the morning”
(06-28-2016 01:37 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Some could have died later due to injuries sustained from earlier gunshot wounds.

I didn't follow this all that closely, but I seem to remember reading somewhere that the guy had some people held as hostage for awhile, then left, and at some point went back in and then started shooting. So I guess it's possible this didn't start until this time of the morning.

Any autopsies done to determine what type of rounds the victims were hit by? Man I though he shot everyone early on and then just waited it out.
06-28-2016 01:40 PM
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RE: Judge Napolitano: “Nobody died until 05:13 in the morning”
(06-28-2016 01:40 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  
(06-28-2016 01:37 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Some could have died later due to injuries sustained from earlier gunshot wounds.

I didn't follow this all that closely, but I seem to remember reading somewhere that the guy had some people held as hostage for awhile, then left, and at some point went back in and then started shooting. So I guess it's possible this didn't start until this time of the morning.

Any autopsies done to determine what type of rounds the victims were hit by? Man I though he shot everyone early on and then just waited it out.

Haven't heard. But again, I've not heard that any were killed by friendly fire either.
06-28-2016 01:53 PM
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RE: Judge Napolitano: “Nobody died until 05:13 in the morning”
He was shooting at 2am. My suspicion is that many of those killed were already dead by 5am.

But absolutely, ensure that the people know what happened.
06-28-2016 02:59 PM
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RE: Judge Napolitano: “Nobody died until 05:13 in the morning”
I don't know what transcript he is reading then, because it doesn't say that in the FBI transcript that was released to the public.

It was already reported that some of the victims may have been killed by police though.

http://www.wfaa.com/news/nation-now/offi.../243700448
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Judge Napolitano: “Nobody died until 05:13 in the morning”
(06-28-2016 02:59 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  He was shooting at 2am. My suspicion is that many of those killed were already dead by 5am.

But absolutely, ensure that the people know what happened.

Concur, but any friendly fire can't be held on the responders. These scenarios are absolute Charlie Foxtrot.
06-29-2016 10:21 AM
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RE: Judge Napolitano: “Nobody died until 05:13 in the morning”
They have to be pronounced dead by a doctor. That may not have started happening until 5:13 AM, but that doesn't mean that was the time of death.

Off topic, but interesting, we have a doctor here in town, who, everyone suspects and circumstantial evidence makes it all but certain, killed his wife about 25 years back. He got away with it because he wouldn't let them pronounce her dead until she got to the hospital. Because of this, there was no autopsy.
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RE: Judge Napolitano: “Nobody died until 05:13 in the morning”
From the standpoint that No One was officially declared dead outside of Pulse before entering at 5:13 that is correct, but knowing lots of shooting was going on inside after 2:00 and His 911 calls about killing folks for ISIS only the autopsy reports can be the final determination of apx time of death. You've likely seen car crashes where You knew people died at the scene but were transported and actually died in route to hospital and were later declared dead at the hospital. I still think SWAT should have moved in a lot quicker than the 3 hour delay. It might have saved a few more lives with a mass SWAT assault earlier on.
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RE: Judge Napolitano: “Nobody died until 05:13 in the morning”
Those men where killed by Islamic terror. Full stop. The actual time of their death is irrelevant.
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RE: Judge Napolitano: “Nobody died until 05:13 in the morning”
(06-29-2016 10:42 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  They have to be pronounced dead by a doctor. That may not have started happening until 5:13 AM, but that doesn't mean that was the time of death.

Off topic, but interesting, we have a doctor here in town, who, everyone suspects and circumstantial evidence makes it all but certain, killed his wife about 25 years back. He got away with it because he wouldn't let them pronounce her dead until she got to the hospital. Because of this, there was no autopsy.

Judge said all those killed and injured by gun fire, happened 5:13 and later, after SWAT went into the building. Go to 2:05 on the video.
06-29-2016 11:18 AM
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RE: Judge Napolitano: “Nobody died until 05:13 in the morning”
Ohh Gawd. There must be good money in being a conspiracy peddling nutjob. Did this Napolitano just fill Glenn beck shoes? There was a market to be tapped. The whole Fox News conglomerate needs to be wiped off the face of the earth. They just foster distrust in our govt. pillars. Freak shows.

Sickening.
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RE: Judge Napolitano: “Nobody died until 05:13 in the morning”
(06-29-2016 11:25 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Ohh Gawd. There must be good money in being a conspiracy peddling nutjob. Did this Napolitano just fill Glenn beck shoes? There was a market to be tapped. The whole Fox News conglomerate needs to be wiped off the face of the earth. They just foster distrust in our govt. pillars. Freak shows.

Sickening.

Ignore the conspiracy part and focus on what the judge said.
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RE: Judge Napolitano: “Nobody died until 05:13 in the morning”
(06-29-2016 11:25 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Ohh Gawd. There must be good money in being a conspiracy peddling nutjob. Did this Napolitano just fill Glenn beck shoes? There was a market to be tapped. The whole Fox News conglomerate needs to be wiped off the face of the earth. They just foster distrust in our govt. pillars. Freak shows.

Sickening.

Damn Mach. Reading posts such as yours is what should sicken anyone. Including you.
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