(06-29-2016 11:21 AM)Max Power Wrote: Warren would be a fantastic choice for VP. You don't want a boring white guy like Lieberman was in 2000 who does nothing for the ticket. Warren brings excitement and crowds and elevating her will elevate her platform to attack Trump. It also burnishes Hillary's progressive bona fides. The Dems outnumber the Republicans in this country and to win we just need to turn out our base.
I disagree. Warner is too strong a personality and we should already have the progressive wing in tow. We need to reassure the moderates and not overshadow Clinton. The centrists both in the party and independents need to feel comfortable about the ticket. I want Wall Street to be held accountable, but I also want Wall Street to function efficiently. I want stability. I'm too close to retirement to see my 401k turned upside down. Trump is a threat to that, but with Warner on the ticket the uncertainty also exists with the Democrats. It would destroy that major reason to oppose Trump. Balance is important. Warner shifts perception too far to the left.
Assuming that the progressives are "in tow" is a mistake. They might never vote for Trump but they might also stay home. And you'll need their boots on the ground and phone banking skills this fall.
Stability is what Warren offers! Leaving Wall Street alone and turning a blind eye to rampant speculation is what caused the 2008 financial crisis. What she's calling for will make banking "boring again" and protect us from future crises. Notice how there weren't banking crises from the 1930s until Reagan started deregulating the banking sector in the 80s and you had the savings and loan crisis. We made some progress with Dodd Frank but there are still warning signs and the banks themselves are larger than ever. You've got it upside down -- the deregulators are the real threats to your 401k.
Shifting to the left? Great! Dems need to turn out their base, not worry about the shrinking, increasingly-mythical-in-an-age-of-increasing-polarization centrists. That's exactly what Senate Dems did in 2014, and went down in flames (Pryor, Begich, Hagan,, Landrieu). Because the public, when offered a chance between GOP and GOP Lite, will choose the real thing.
(06-29-2016 11:21 AM)Max Power Wrote: Warren would be a fantastic choice for VP. You don't want a boring white guy like Lieberman was in 2000 who does nothing for the ticket. Warren brings excitement and crowds and elevating her will elevate her platform to attack Trump. It also burnishes Hillary's progressive bona fides. The Dems outnumber the Republicans in this country and to win we just need to turn out our base.
I disagree. Warner is too strong a personality and we should already have the progressive wing in tow. We need to reassure the moderates and not overshadow Clinton. The centrists both in the party and independents need to feel comfortable about the ticket. I want Wall Street to be held accountable, but I also want Wall Street to function efficiently. I want stability. I'm too close to retirement to see my 401k turned upside down. Trump is a threat to that, but with Warner on the ticket the uncertainty also exists with the Democrats. It would destroy that major reason to oppose Trump. Balance is important. Warner shifts perception too far to the left.
Assuming that the progressives are "in tow" is a mistake. They might never vote for Trump but they might also stay home. And you'll need their boots on the ground and phone banking skills this fall.
Stability is what Warren offers! Leaving Wall Street alone and turning a blind eye to rampant speculation is what caused the 2008 financial crisis. What she's calling for will make banking "boring again" and protect us from future crises. Notice how there weren't banking crises from the 1930s until Reagan started deregulating the banking sector in the 80s and you had the savings and loan crisis. We made some progress with Dodd Frank but there are still warning signs and the banks themselves are larger than ever. You've got it upside down -- the deregulators are the real threats to your 401k.
Shifting to the left? Great! Dems need to turn out their base, not worry about the shrinking, increasingly-mythical-in-an-age-of-increasing-polarization centrists. That's exactly what Senate Dems did in 2014, and went down in flames (Pryor, Begich, Hagan,, Landrieu). Because the public, when offered a chance between GOP and GOP Lite, will choose the real thing.
I'm not advocating against holding Wall Street accountable. Warner needs to stay in the senate to hold their feet to the fire. I'm advocating not naming her as the VP. Don't underestimate the middle. The dynamics vary based on location.
(06-29-2016 12:17 PM)dawgitall Wrote: Here is a new (Wednesday the 29th) Florida poll. It was done as a four way race and was conducted by Bay News 9 / Survey USA. Clinton is +4.
Trump 42 Clinton 46 Johnson 2 Stein 1
Nothing really has any traction until after the conventions and Labor Day are out of the way and No major homeland terror attacks happen before election day. Right now it's all speculation. People will be sick of political polls and ad's way before then.
(06-29-2016 11:21 AM)Max Power Wrote: Warren would be a fantastic choice for VP. You don't want a boring white guy like Lieberman was in 2000 who does nothing for the ticket. Warren brings excitement and crowds and elevating her will elevate her platform to attack Trump. It also burnishes Hillary's progressive bona fides. The Dems outnumber the Republicans in this country and to win we just need to turn out our base.
I disagree. Warner is too strong a personality and we should already have the progressive wing in tow. We need to reassure the moderates and not overshadow Clinton. The centrists both in the party and independents need to feel comfortable about the ticket. I want Wall Street to be held accountable, but I also want Wall Street to function efficiently. I want stability. I'm too close to retirement to see my 401k turned upside down. Trump is a threat to that, but with Warner on the ticket the uncertainty also exists with the Democrats. It would destroy that major reason to oppose Trump. Balance is important. Warner shifts perception too far to the left.
Assuming that the progressives are "in tow" is a mistake. They might never vote for Trump but they might also stay home. And you'll need their boots on the ground and phone banking skills this fall.
Stability is what Warren offers! Leaving Wall Street alone and turning a blind eye to rampant speculation is what caused the 2008 financial crisis. What she's calling for will make banking "boring again" and protect us from future crises. Notice how there weren't banking crises from the 1930s until Reagan started deregulating the banking sector in the 80s and you had the savings and loan crisis. We made some progress with Dodd Frank but there are still warning signs and the banks themselves are larger than ever. You've got it upside down -- the deregulators are the real threats to your 401k.
Shifting to the left? Great! Dems need to turn out their base, not worry about the shrinking, increasingly-mythical-in-an-age-of-increasing-polarization centrists. That's exactly what Senate Dems did in 2014, and went down in flames (Pryor, Begich, Hagan,, Landrieu). Because the public, when offered a chance between GOP and GOP Lite, will choose the real thing.
I'm not advocating against holding Wall Street accountable. Warner needs to stay in the senate to hold their feet to the fire. I'm advocating not naming her as the VP. Don't underestimate the middle. The dynamics vary based on location.
Tell me how many wall streeters are in prison due to breaking laws that created the financial crisis?
Answer: None-because Obama is their friend.
Tell me how many big banks are scared of Obama / Clinton / Warren regulations?
Answer = None, because the dipturds dont understand (or dont care) that the massive regulations they put in place hurt small banks, thereby reducing the competition for the big banks.
And thats why Wall St loves Clinton. More of the same. Free passes, and having their competition curb stomped by the government.
(This post was last modified: 06-29-2016 12:54 PM by UofMstateU.)
(06-29-2016 12:17 PM)dawgitall Wrote: Here is a new (Wednesday the 29th) Florida poll. It was done as a four way race and was conducted by Bay News 9 / Survey USA. Clinton is +4.
Trump 42 Clinton 46 Johnson 2 Stein 1
Nothing really has any traction until after the conventions and Labor Day are out of the way and No major homeland terror attacks happen before election day. Right now it's all speculation. People will be sick of political polls and ad's way before then.
If third parties can't garner more than 3% running against these two turds, then they will never have a future in this country.
(06-29-2016 12:17 PM)dawgitall Wrote: Here is a new (Wednesday the 29th) Florida poll. It was done as a four way race and was conducted by Bay News 9 / Survey USA. Clinton is +4.
Trump 42 Clinton 46 Johnson 2 Stein 1
Nothing really has any traction until after the conventions and Labor Day are out of the way and No major homeland terror attacks happen before election day. Right now it's all speculation. People will be sick of political polls and ad's way before then.
Impressions are being formed in the summer.
Hopefully we will not have any terror attacks.
Everybody hates political ads, but they work, especially negative ads.
It is all just speculation until Nov. 8th.
(06-29-2016 12:17 PM)dawgitall Wrote: Here is a new (Wednesday the 29th) Florida poll. It was done as a four way race and was conducted by Bay News 9 / Survey USA. Clinton is +4.
Trump 42 Clinton 46 Johnson 2 Stein 1
Nothing really has any traction until after the conventions and Labor Day are out of the way and No major homeland terror attacks happen before election day. Right now it's all speculation. People will be sick of political polls and ad's way before then.
If third parties can't garner more than 3% running against these two turds, then they will never have a future in this country.
Nate Silver is projecting (at this point) Johnson to get 9%.
There is a North Carolina poll that has Trump 40 Clinton 42. (Clinton +2) This is from Civitas, a division of Art Pope's highly influential right wing think tank, John Locke Foundation. It is pretty surprising to me. Last week Democratic pollster PPP had Trump up 2 in a two way race and tied in a four way race, and CBS/YouGov had Clinton up 2 in a two way race.
ARG has New Hampshire Trump 42 Clinton 47 (Clinton +5) in a two way race.
(06-29-2016 02:56 PM)dawgitall Wrote: ARG has New Hampshire Trump 42 Clinton 47 (Clinton +5) in a two way race.
worst pollster known to man ...
THANK ME LATER
Interesting, I'm not planning on including or withholding polls based on there track record. I'll just post em when they come up on real clear politics. I'll leave it to the posters to dissect them once they are posted. What makes ARG the worst?
(06-29-2016 11:21 AM)Max Power Wrote: Warren would be a fantastic choice for VP. You don't want a boring white guy like Lieberman was in 2000 who does nothing for the ticket. Warren brings excitement and crowds and elevating her will elevate her platform to attack Trump. It also burnishes Hillary's progressive bona fides. The Dems outnumber the Republicans in this country and to win we just need to turn out our base.
I disagree. Warner is too strong a personality and we should already have the progressive wing in tow. We need to reassure the moderates and not overshadow Clinton. The centrists both in the party and independents need to feel comfortable about the ticket. I want Wall Street to be held accountable, but I also want Wall Street to function efficiently. I want stability. I'm too close to retirement to see my 401k turned upside down. Trump is a threat to that, but with Warner on the ticket the uncertainty also exists with the Democrats. It would destroy that major reason to oppose Trump. Balance is important. Warner shifts perception too far to the left.
Assuming that the progressives are "in tow" is a mistake. They might never vote for Trump but they might also stay home. And you'll need their boots on the ground and phone banking skills this fall.
Stability is what Warren offers! Leaving Wall Street alone and turning a blind eye to rampant speculation is what caused the 2008 financial crisis. What she's calling for will make banking "boring again" and protect us from future crises. Notice how there weren't banking crises from the 1930s until Reagan started deregulating the banking sector in the 80s and you had the savings and loan crisis. We made some progress with Dodd Frank but there are still warning signs and the banks themselves are larger than ever. You've got it upside down -- the deregulators are the real threats to your 401k.
Shifting to the left? Great! Dems need to turn out their base, not worry about the shrinking, increasingly-mythical-in-an-age-of-increasing-polarization centrists. That's exactly what Senate Dems did in 2014, and went down in flames (Pryor, Begich, Hagan,, Landrieu). Because the public, when offered a chance between GOP and GOP Lite, will choose the real thing.
I'm not advocating against holding Wall Street accountable. Warner needs to stay in the senate to hold their feet to the fire. I'm advocating not naming her as the VP. Don't underestimate the middle. The dynamics vary based on location.
How does she best hold them accountable as 1 of 100 senators? Her greatest accomplishment was the creation of the CFPB, which she did before being elected to the Senate. With the senate gridlocked, the real power is in the executive branch with regulation and appointments, and she could get a lot more done as a voice in cabinet meetings than as a senator making up or down votes or giving (great) speeches in committee hearings on C-SPAN that few watch.
The Dems need to stop chasing the dwindling middle. We outnumber the GOP. We don't need the independents. Motivate and get our people to the polls and we'll win elections. In Ohio, that means Cyahoga County. In Illinois, that means Cook County. That means opening up and expanding early voting in neighborhoods with large percentages of people of color. And most of all that means not discouraging your base by sounding like GOP Lite.
(06-29-2016 11:21 AM)Max Power Wrote: Warren would be a fantastic choice for VP. You don't want a boring white guy like Lieberman was in 2000 who does nothing for the ticket. Warren brings excitement and crowds and elevating her will elevate her platform to attack Trump. It also burnishes Hillary's progressive bona fides. The Dems outnumber the Republicans in this country and to win we just need to turn out our base.
I disagree. Warner is too strong a personality and we should already have the progressive wing in tow. We need to reassure the moderates and not overshadow Clinton. The centrists both in the party and independents need to feel comfortable about the ticket. I want Wall Street to be held accountable, but I also want Wall Street to function efficiently. I want stability. I'm too close to retirement to see my 401k turned upside down. Trump is a threat to that, but with Warner on the ticket the uncertainty also exists with the Democrats. It would destroy that major reason to oppose Trump. Balance is important. Warner shifts perception too far to the left.
Assuming that the progressives are "in tow" is a mistake. They might never vote for Trump but they might also stay home. And you'll need their boots on the ground and phone banking skills this fall.
Stability is what Warren offers! Leaving Wall Street alone and turning a blind eye to rampant speculation is what caused the 2008 financial crisis. What she's calling for will make banking "boring again" and protect us from future crises. Notice how there weren't banking crises from the 1930s until Reagan started deregulating the banking sector in the 80s and you had the savings and loan crisis. We made some progress with Dodd Frank but there are still warning signs and the banks themselves are larger than ever. You've got it upside down -- the deregulators are the real threats to your 401k.
Shifting to the left? Great! Dems need to turn out their base, not worry about the shrinking, increasingly-mythical-in-an-age-of-increasing-polarization centrists. That's exactly what Senate Dems did in 2014, and went down in flames (Pryor, Begich, Hagan,, Landrieu). Because the public, when offered a chance between GOP and GOP Lite, will choose the real thing.
I'm not advocating against holding Wall Street accountable. Warner needs to stay in the senate to hold their feet to the fire. I'm advocating not naming her as the VP. Don't underestimate the middle. The dynamics vary based on location.
How does she best hold them accountable as 1 of 100 senators? Her greatest accomplishment was the creation of the CFPB, which she did before being elected to the Senate. With the senate gridlocked, the real power is in the executive branch with regulation and appointments, and she could get a lot more done as a voice in cabinet meetings than as a senator making up or down votes or giving (great) speeches in committee hearings on C-SPAN that few watch.
The Dems need to stop chasing the dwindling middle. We outnumber the GOP. We don't need the independents. Motivate and get our people to the polls and we'll win elections. In Ohio, that means Cyahoga County. In Illinois, that means Cook County. That means opening up and expanding early voting in neighborhoods with large percentages of people of color. And most of all that means not discouraging your base by sounding like GOP Lite.
I tend to think more at the local and state level. What you say may hold true in Presidential races but we can't take back the house , senate, governor's mansions, state houses or county commissioners without a large tent Democratic party and the help of independents.
In the general Hillary will campaign like she's against the TPP. I wonder how much of a kick back the Clinton Foundation will get when she stabs the US middle class in the back and passes it once in office? She gets richer and we lose more middle-class jobs? The Clinton scam!
(This post was last modified: 06-29-2016 05:01 PM by ODU BLUE.)
Hillary Clinton leads Donald Trump across the board in a new poll of battleground states.
According to Ballotpedia's battleground poll, Clinton leads Trump:
51% to 37% in Florida
45% to 41% in Iowa
50% to 33% in Michigan
48% to 38% in North Carolina
46% to 37% in Ohio
49% to 35% in Pennsylvania
45% to 38% in Virginia
(06-29-2016 04:30 PM)dawgitall Wrote: I tend to think more at the local and state level. What you say may hold true in Presidential races but we can't take back the house , senate, governor's mansions, state houses or county commissioners without a large tent Democratic party and the help of independents.
Maybe that's true in some regions like the deep south. That's certainly the conventional wisdom. But Huey Long came out of Louisiana and he ran on the far left. Bernie did the best in the rural, white, southern areas. I think if the Dems in the south had the guts to run a liberal populist they may be surprised. They could get the POC vote and peel away some working class whites to make it competitive.
(06-29-2016 04:30 PM)dawgitall Wrote: I tend to think more at the local and state level. What you say may hold true in Presidential races but we can't take back the house , senate, governor's mansions, state houses or county commissioners without a large tent Democratic party and the help of independents.
Maybe that's true in some regions like the deep south. That's certainly the conventional wisdom. But Huey Long came out of Louisiana and he ran on the far left. Bernie did the best in the rural, white, southern areas. I think if the Dems in the south had the guts to run a liberal populist they may be surprised. They could get the POC vote and peel away some working class whites to make it competitive.
Hillary Clinton leads Donald Trump across the board in a new poll of battleground states.
According to Ballotpedia's battleground poll, Clinton leads Trump:
51% to 37% in Florida
45% to 41% in Iowa
50% to 33% in Michigan
48% to 38% in North Carolina
46% to 37% in Ohio
49% to 35% in Pennsylvania
45% to 38% in Virginia
cnn....who'd a thunk it?
at least you're finally paying attention to the one's that matter sonny.....toss out michigan....dem and always dem....