There is no downside to this and hopefully a big upside. Go Dukes!!


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(07-01-2016 01:16 PM)84Breeze Wrote:  There is no downside to this and hopefully a big upside. Go Dukes!!


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Possible downtime - this causes Schor to transfer out and Mitch turns out to be bust.

Schor would be crazy to transfer.

(07-01-2016 04:01 PM)White Hall Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 01:16 PM)84Breeze Wrote:  There is no downside to this and hopefully a big upside. Go Dukes!!


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Possible downtime - this causes Schor to transfer out and Mitch turns out to be bust.

One, he can't transfer this late. He can leave the team, but transferring can't happen until 2017.

Two, he is the #1 going into summer practice.

Unlike most, I think Schor is plenty good enough to win 10 games. He was tossed into an O that didn't suit him, and had 1/2 the playbook a tossed to "manage" the game. It will be interesting to see how he can do this year. Certainly, Mitch has a higher pedigree, but it will be fun to see who wins out.

(07-01-2016 10:12 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 04:01 PM)White Hall Wrote:  

(07-01-2016 01:16 PM)84Breeze Wrote:  There is no downside to this and hopefully a big upside. Go Dukes!!


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Possible downtime - this causes Schor to transfer out and Mitch turns out to be bust.

One, he can't transfer this late. He can leave the team, but transferring can't happen until 2017.

Two, he is the #1 going into summer practice.

Unlike most, I think Schor is plenty good enough to win 10 games. He was tossed into an O that didn't suit him, and had 1/2 the playbook a tossed to "manage" the game. It will be interesting to see how he can do this year. Certainly, Mitch has a higher pedigree, but it will be fun to see who wins out.

I concur completely. I am looking forward to seeing what Mitch can do, but clearly as 2004 stated, the coaches changes the playbook for the final three games last season. Schor played very well when he came in for the Richmond game with the play calling not changing upon his entry. We had some incompetence wearing the headsets after the RU game.

I watched the SC spring game. He looked pretty good and had a few nice throws. I just feel like it's hard to really gauge someone in a spring game since no one is going 100%. He didn't attempt to run much, not that that isn't something we already know.

He was the #2 QB playing with the twos and his stats were 9-for-16 for 141 yards and one touchdown

Normally I'm with the "I'm not going to get excited camp" but not in this case.

I've said it before, I roll my eyes at people getting excited at HS signees. Countless times over the past decade + (since the online highlight videos started to become big) we have had HS signees with stats and highlight videos that made them look like world beaters, along with all kinds of accolades, who have ranged from never becoming more than average starters, to never even starting, to never even being on the 2 deep, to not even being on the team after a season or 2.

Same thing with transfers- We have seen numerous transfer busts. But almost all of those busts were never a whole season or more on the 2 deep at a P5. The only 2 deep P5 transfer busts to JMU I can think of, both of whom were P5 starters, were:
-04' Duke WR- Sharpe?
-14' UNC WR Tapley.

The rest turned out real well:
-04' transfer Louisville 2 deep QB Justin Rascatti- 3 years at JMU, started every season, 3? time All A-10, All American, won NC. (yeah I know L'ville wasn't Big East till 05').
-05' transfer VT 2 deep OL Mike Parham- 2 years at JMU, started both
-06' transfer UT 2 deep OL-Terrance Apted- 3 years JMU, started all 3, All CAA, All American?
-10' transfer UVA WR Quintin Hunter, who was a Rivals 4 star recruit. His JMU bio says played in 9 games as a true Fr at UVA, had 1 catch. *Might not have been 2 deep. Started I think the better part of 3 seasons at JMU
-12' transfer MD starting S Titus Till. A rivals 4 star recruit- 3 years JMU, started all 3.
-14' transfer UNC 2 deep OL Nick Appel- 1 yr JMU, started.
-14' transfer GT QB Vad Lee- enough said
-16' transfer SC starting at one time QB Conner Mitch- ???????

Maybe I'm missing 1 or 2. Bottom line is the The ONE type of transfer or signee I will get a little excited about is one who has proven it on the field with a P5. Like has already been said, you don't get to be a starting QB for an SEC school under Steve Spurrier without being real good at that point in time. I'll temper any excitement over Mitch only because of the history of injuries. I'm normally not a purple koolaid drinker, but I'll sip some on this one. IF, IF, IF this kid stays healthy I think he'll be the starting QB, All CAA, and instead of 7-4/8-3, playing on Turkey Day weekend, JMU will be 9-2 with a Top 8 seed and bye.

I'll say this...
Schor is no Birdsong. He won't bail if he's #2. He is one play away from being the starter, which is (sad to say) probably likely.
And that's if Mitch gets #1. I think it's possible if Schor plays his tail off, he can still start. Not likely, but definitely possible.
I don't care who it is, as long as he's the better QB.

Competition breeds excellence so whomever ends up as the starter will be a better player because of it.

Added Q Hunter to the above list, even thugh he might not have been 2 deep at UVA when he played as a true fr before transferring to JMU. I believe Mitch is only the 3rd Rivals 4 star recruit to transfer to JMU, the others being Quintin Hunter and Titus Till. Those 2 didn't turn out to be superstars, but both started for the better part of 3 seasons..

It's way to early to say on Mitch.

We don't know if we are getting 4 star Mitch or damaged goods.

I Know my usc friend was not disappointed to see him move on

(07-02-2016 06:16 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  Normally I'm with the "I'm not going to get excited camp" but not in this case.

I've said it before, I roll my eyes at people getting excited at HS signees. Countless times over the past decade + (since the online highlight videos started to become big) we have had HS signees with stats and highlight videos that made them look like world beaters, along with all kinds of accolades, who have ranged from never becoming more than average starters, to never even starting, to never even being on the 2 deep, to not even being on the team after a season or 2.

Same thing with transfers- We have seen numerous transfer busts. But almost all of those busts were never a whole season or more on the 2 deep at a P5. The only 2 deep P5 transfer busts to JMU I can think of, both of whom were P5 starters, were:
-04' Duke WR- Sharpe?
-14' UNC WR Tapley.

The rest turned out real well:
-04' transfer Louisville 2 deep QB Justin Rascatti- 3 years at JMU, started every season, 3? time All A-10, All American, won NC. (yeah I know L'ville wasn't Big East till 05').
-05' transfer VT 2 deep OL Mike Parham- 2 years at JMU, started both
-06' transfer UT 2 deep OL-Terrance Apted- 3 years JMU, started all 3, All CAA, All American?
-10' transfer UVA WR Quintin Hunter, who was a Rivals 4 star recruit. His JMU bio says played in 9 games as a true Fr at UVA, had 1 catch. *Might not have been 2 deep. Started I think the better part of 3 seasons at JMU
-12' transfer MD starting S Titus Till. A rivals 4 star recruit- 3 years JMU, started all 3.
-14' transfer UNC 2 deep OL Nick Appel- 1 yr JMU, started.
-14' transfer GT QB Vad Lee- enough said
-16' transfer SC starting at one time QB Conner Mitch- ???????

Maybe I'm missing 1 or 2. Bottom line is the The ONE type of transfer or signee I will get a little excited about is one who has proven it on the field with a P5. Like has already been said, you don't get to be a starting QB for an SEC school under Steve Spurrier without being real good at that point in time. I'll temper any excitement over Mitch only because of the history of injuries. I'm normally not a purple koolaid drinker, but I'll sip some on this one. IF, IF, IF this kid stays healthy I think he'll be the starting QB, All CAA, and instead of 7-4/8-3, playing on Turkey Day weekend, JMU will be 9-2 with a Top 8 seed and bye.

Wasn't there a kid from Kansas State- Cosh- who was an FBS to FCS bust at QB as well? He wasn't as ballyhooed as Mitch though.

You have to like the Mitch move. I don't think Schor was viewed as Birdsong was as a recruit and immediate starter and he probably is self aware about that. He's only a true Sophomore right? He could always even red shirt a year at JMU and still play two as the starter after Mitch is gone.

No matter the level FCS or FBS- it's rare to have a QB start all 4 years behind Center. Guys like Heineke (I think he started all 4 years) or Birdsong had Mickey stayed and Vad not come in are rare. You stock the roster with QBs and they generally get 2 years to learn/grown and 2 years to lead the team.

(07-03-2016 07:06 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(07-02-2016 06:16 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  Normally I'm with the "I'm not going to get excited camp" but not in this case.

I've said it before, I roll my eyes at people getting excited at HS signees. Countless times over the past decade + (since the online highlight videos started to become big) we have had HS signees with stats and highlight videos that made them look like world beaters, along with all kinds of accolades, who have ranged from never becoming more than average starters, to never even starting, to never even being on the 2 deep, to not even being on the team after a season or 2.

Same thing with transfers- We have seen numerous transfer busts. But almost all of those busts were never a whole season or more on the 2 deep at a P5. The only 2 deep P5 transfer busts to JMU I can think of, both of whom were P5 starters, were:
-04' Duke WR- Sharpe?
-14' UNC WR Tapley.

The rest turned out real well:
-04' transfer Louisville 2 deep QB Justin Rascatti- 3 years at JMU, started every season, 3? time All A-10, All American, won NC. (yeah I know L'ville wasn't Big East till 05').
-05' transfer VT 2 deep OL Mike Parham- 2 years at JMU, started both
-06' transfer UT 2 deep OL-Terrance Apted- 3 years JMU, started all 3, All CAA, All American?
-10' transfer UVA WR Quintin Hunter, who was a Rivals 4 star recruit. His JMU bio says played in 9 games as a true Fr at UVA, had 1 catch. *Might not have been 2 deep. Started I think the better part of 3 seasons at JMU
-12' transfer MD starting S Titus Till. A rivals 4 star recruit- 3 years JMU, started all 3.
-14' transfer UNC 2 deep OL Nick Appel- 1 yr JMU, started.
-14' transfer GT QB Vad Lee- enough said
-16' transfer SC starting at one time QB Conner Mitch- ???????

Maybe I'm missing 1 or 2. Bottom line is the The ONE type of transfer or signee I will get a little excited about is one who has proven it on the field with a P5. Like has already been said, you don't get to be a starting QB for an SEC school under Steve Spurrier without being real good at that point in time. I'll temper any excitement over Mitch only because of the history of injuries. I'm normally not a purple koolaid drinker, but I'll sip some on this one. IF, IF, IF this kid stays healthy I think he'll be the starting QB, All CAA, and instead of 7-4/8-3, playing on Turkey Day weekend, JMU will be 9-2 with a Top 8 seed and bye.

Wasn't there a kid from Kansas State- Cosh- who was an FBS to FCS bust at QB as well? He wasn't as ballyhooed as Mitch though.

You have to like the Mitch move. I don't think Schor was viewed as Birdsong was as a recruit and immediate starter and he probably is self aware about that. He's only a true Sophomore right? He could always even red shirt a year at JMU and still play two as the starter after Mitch is gone.

No matter the level FCS or FBS- it's rare to have a QB start all 4 years behind Center. Guys like Heineke (I think he started all 4 years) or Birdsong had Mickey stayed and Vad not come in are rare. You stock the roster with QBs and they generally get 2 years to learn/grown and 2 years to lead the team.

Schor isn't a true sophomore. He transferred from a JUCO so I think he only has two years of eligibility left. Not sure whether he could still redshirt.

(07-02-2016 10:34 PM)atljmualum Wrote:  Competition breeds excellence so whomever ends up as the starter will be a better player because of it.

That's my feeling as well. There should be competition at every position. If Schor ends up winning the starting spot, that's great. I don't think I'll have the feeling that the season is over if whoever starts gets injured. Before we got him I kind of had that feeling. Also, it allows JMU to redshirt Cole Johnson. They probably would have anyway, but this just gives him a year to concentrate on getting stronger. He looks to have all of the skills of a very good QB but just needs to put some meat on the bones.

(07-03-2016 06:26 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  It's way to early to say on Mitch.

We don't know if we are getting 4 star Mitch or damaged goods.

I Know my usc friend was not disappointed to see him move on

No one at Georgia Tech was disappointed to see Vad Lee leave either. Sometimes players don't fit. Sometimes fans are just stupid too. Taking Mitch is almost no risk. If we get the player Spurrier named a starter we are much better because of that. If we don't then we have one extra backup behind Schor.

(07-03-2016 06:26 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  It's way to early to say on Mitch.

We don't know if we are getting 4 star Mitch or damaged goods.

I Know my usc friend was not disappointed to see him move on

So your friend made an evaluation on him in less than 2 games?

(07-03-2016 10:05 AM)Dukes2Space Wrote:  

(07-03-2016 06:26 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  It's way to early to say on Mitch.

We don't know if we are getting 4 star Mitch or damaged goods.

I Know my usc friend was not disappointed to see him move on

So your friend made an evaluation on him in less than 2 games?

More like one and a quarter games as he went out early against UK. I was thinking the same thing.
Some fans are just butt hurt when someone transfers and take it personal when they leave their team. "Well they obviously weren't that good anyways or they'd be starting."

(07-03-2016 10:04 AM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(07-03-2016 06:26 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  It's way to early to say on Mitch.

We don't know if we are getting 4 star Mitch or damaged goods.

I Know my usc friend was not disappointed to see him move on

No one at Georgia Tech was disappointed to see Vad Lee leave either. Sometimes players don't fit. Sometimes fans are just stupid too. Taking Mitch is almost no risk. If we get the player Spurrier named a starter we are much better because of that. If we don't then we have one extra backup behind Schor.

Completely agree. Without Mitch, we were completely dependent on Schor staying healthy and playing well. Now, if Schor wins the starting job, then he earned it by beating out Mitch, and if the starter, whichever guy that ends up being, goes down to injury, we should have a viable backup that can step in and give us a good shot at continued success.

(07-03-2016 09:00 AM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(07-03-2016 07:06 AM)NJDuke97 Wrote:  

(07-02-2016 06:16 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  Normally I'm with the "I'm not going to get excited camp" but not in this case.

I've said it before, I roll my eyes at people getting excited at HS signees. Countless times over the past decade + (since the online highlight videos started to become big) we have had HS signees with stats and highlight videos that made them look like world beaters, along with all kinds of accolades, who have ranged from never becoming more than average starters, to never even starting, to never even being on the 2 deep, to not even being on the team after a season or 2.

Same thing with transfers- We have seen numerous transfer busts. But almost all of those busts were never a whole season or more on the 2 deep at a P5. The only 2 deep P5 transfer busts to JMU I can think of, both of whom were P5 starters, were:
-04' Duke WR- Sharpe?
-14' UNC WR Tapley.

The rest turned out real well:
-04' transfer Louisville 2 deep QB Justin Rascatti- 3 years at JMU, started every season, 3? time All A-10, All American, won NC. (yeah I know L'ville wasn't Big East till 05').
-05' transfer VT 2 deep OL Mike Parham- 2 years at JMU, started both
-06' transfer UT 2 deep OL-Terrance Apted- 3 years JMU, started all 3, All CAA, All American?
-10' transfer UVA WR Quintin Hunter, who was a Rivals 4 star recruit. His JMU bio says played in 9 games as a true Fr at UVA, had 1 catch. *Might not have been 2 deep. Started I think the better part of 3 seasons at JMU
-12' transfer MD starting S Titus Till. A rivals 4 star recruit- 3 years JMU, started all 3.
-14' transfer UNC 2 deep OL Nick Appel- 1 yr JMU, started.
-14' transfer GT QB Vad Lee- enough said
-16' transfer SC starting at one time QB Conner Mitch- ???????

Maybe I'm missing 1 or 2. Bottom line is the The ONE type of transfer or signee I will get a little excited about is one who has proven it on the field with a P5. Like has already been said, you don't get to be a starting QB for an SEC school under Steve Spurrier without being real good at that point in time. I'll temper any excitement over Mitch only because of the history of injuries. I'm normally not a purple koolaid drinker, but I'll sip some on this one. IF, IF, IF this kid stays healthy I think he'll be the starting QB, All CAA, and instead of 7-4/8-3, playing on Turkey Day weekend, JMU will be 9-2 with a Top 8 seed and bye.

Wasn't there a kid from Kansas State- Cosh- who was an FBS to FCS bust at QB as well? He wasn't as ballyhooed as Mitch though.

You have to like the Mitch move. I don't think Schor was viewed as Birdsong was as a recruit and immediate starter and he probably is self aware about that. He's only a true Sophomore right? He could always even red shirt a year at JMU and still play two as the starter after Mitch is gone.

No matter the level FCS or FBS- it's rare to have a QB start all 4 years behind Center. Guys like Heineke (I think he started all 4 years) or Birdsong had Mickey stayed and Vad not come in are rare. You stock the roster with QBs and they generally get 2 years to learn/grown and 2 years to lead the team.

Schor isn't a true sophomore. He transferred from a JUCO so I think he only has two years of eligibility left. Not sure whether he could still redshirt.

Cosh, a Rivals 3 star in HS, wasn't on the 2 deep at KSU. This is only the 3rd time that I know of in the last at least 15 years that JMU has gotten a 2 deep P5 QB transfer, and only the 2nd time other than Lee that have gotten a starter.
-Rascati in 03' as a rFr at Louisville backed up then Jr Stefan Lefors (future NFL & CFL). Jan 04' L'ville signed Brian Brohm, the Gatorade and USA Today National HS POTY. Brohm was even on the cover of SI and went on to a huge career at L'ville & in the NFL. Rascati saw the writing on the wall and transfered to JMU
-Vad Lee in 14'

Mitch playing on SEC network vs UNC right now