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http://thefederalist.com/2016/06/20/the-...ing-about/


"During the past few years, responding to ever-more draconian codes on secular campuses aimed at constraining free speech, dissenting voices have been raised here and there across the political spectrum, defending free expression and free association for all. This addition of conscientious objection outside conservative and religious ranks is a welcome development. It also brings us to one other large threat to free speech in education these days—one that’s still in the closet.


Secularist progressivism claims to champion diversity, but its activists today do not tolerate genuine diversity, including and es­pecially in the realm of ideas, as revealed by today’s legal and other attacks on Christian colleges, Christian associations and clubs, Christian schools, Christian students, and Christian homeschooling....


Still other authorities want to discredit religious higher education altogether. Writing in the Chronicle of Higher Education in 2014, a professor at the Uni­versity of Pennsylvania called accreditation for any Christian col­lege a “scandal,” adding that “[p]roviding accreditation to colleges like [evangelical Protestant] Wheaton [College] makes a mockery of whatever academic and intellectual standards the process of ac­creditation is supposed to uphold.” Trinity Western University in Canada has likewise been embroiled for years in a battle to keep its accreditation—because its community members pledge not to have sex outside traditional marriage.


Let’s ask the obvious question: exactly whose schools are being at­tacked as unworthy, substandard, and undeserving of recognition? Christians’ schools, that’s whose—not progressive flagships like Bennington, Middlebury, or Sarah Lawrence. If religious tradi­tionalists were fanning out to campaign against schools dominated by other canons, cacophony would resound from Cupertino to Ban­gor. But because the prejudice propelling these attacks has Christi­anity in its sights, no one outside religious circles objects....."
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This is how massive persecution begins.
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If "Christian" schools wish to discriminate in employment, admissions, or staffing..then it is perfectly acceptable for others to refuse to recognize that degree as valid.

They also don't have a right to taxpayer funding or tax free donations either.
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The Clinton foundation is a tax free donation. Should that not be the case?
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(06-27-2016 02:46 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  If "Christian" schools wish to discriminate in employment, admissions, or staffing..then it is perfectly acceptable for others to refuse to recognize that degree as valid.

They also don't have a right to taxpayer funding or tax free donations either.

Proving once again you don't know the difference between a right and an entitlement..
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Libs would be rioting in the street if this bill was targeted at muslim schools.

Liberal Aristocrats hate Christianity.

The prosecution continues.
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(06-27-2016 02:51 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Libs would be rioting in the street if this bill was targeted at muslim schools.

Liberal Aristocrats hate Christianity.

The prosecution continues.

what Muslim schools?
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Idiological and academic diversity cannot be tolerated because it itself discredits the ideals championed by the SJWs and the academics that are on the gravy train which creates them.
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IMHO, I think there are 2 distinct ideas that are being conflated in the article. There is a difference between religious groups being allowed to exist and function on any college campus vs a Religious Affiliated university from teaching content that contradicts actual facts. If a Christian or Muslim student club wants to opine on the role a woman should have in a religious society, no skin off my nose. However, if a university is trying to teach its students that the earth is 6000 years old (for example) in a biology class then there is an accreditation issue at stake here. I think BYU runs into some issues with academic freedom issues if I'm not mistaken. There is a difference in expressing a viewpoint vs teaching a viewpoint that is contrary to accreditation standards.
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(06-27-2016 02:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(06-27-2016 02:51 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Libs would be rioting in the street if this bill was targeted at muslim schools.

Liberal Aristocrats hate Christianity.

The prosecution continues.

what Muslim schools?

Perhaps I should have said Islamic. Not that it matters much.....but I have 2 that I know of within a half hour drive of my house. Odds are you have a charter school nearby that would also fit the bill.

On second thought, one quick glance on the interwebs and you have about 10 just in Houston where you live. Lazybrook, lazy intellectually, or just plain lazy.

If you'd like, I'll send you a link with addresses. I'm sure they should love to meet you.
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(06-27-2016 02:51 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Libs would be rioting in the street if this bill was targeted at muslim schools.

Liberal Aristocrats hate Christianity.

The prosecution continues.

What bill?
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(06-27-2016 03:10 PM)miko33 Wrote:  IMHO, I think there are 2 distinct ideas that are being conflated in the article. There is a difference between religious groups being allowed to exist and function on any college campus vs a Religious Affiliated university from teaching content that contradicts actual facts. If a Christian or Muslim student club wants to opine on the role a woman should have in a religious society, no skin off my nose. However, if a university is trying to teach its students that the earth is 6000 years old (for example) in a biology class then there is an accreditation issue at stake here. I think BYU runs into some issues with academic freedom issues if I'm not mistaken. There is a difference in expressing a viewpoint vs teaching a viewpoint that is contrary to accreditation standards.

I do not think accreditation should be based on what is taught but how it is taught.

When you go policing the what you run right back into the problem of freedom of thought and the value that has in it. Academics need the freedom to argue their point, and the freedom to be wrong from time to time.
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(06-27-2016 04:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(06-27-2016 02:51 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Libs would be rioting in the street if this bill was targeted at muslim schools.

Liberal Aristocrats hate Christianity.

The prosecution continues.

What bill?

Start with reading California Senate Bill 1146 (SB 1146).
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(06-27-2016 04:07 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  
(06-27-2016 04:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(06-27-2016 02:51 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Libs would be rioting in the street if this bill was targeted at muslim schools.

Liberal Aristocrats hate Christianity.

The prosecution continues.

What bill?

Start with reading California Senate Bill 1146 (SB 1146).

Okay...but the linked story in the OP mentions no legislation. That's why I asked.
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Quote:SB 1146 aims to include all colleges and universities receiving state financial assistance together with students receiving state financial aid under the authority of the Equity in Higher Education Act, which prohibits discrimination based on sex.
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/bi.../89171.htm

#FAIL

Sorry.
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And that bill is the same as everything else I've been talking about for quite some time. If you're gonna take taxpayer money, you have to leave the religion out of it. It's pretty simple really.
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(06-27-2016 02:46 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  If "Christian" schools wish to discriminate in employment, admissions, or staffing..then it is perfectly acceptable for others to refuse to recognize that degree as valid.

They also don't have a right to taxpayer funding or tax free donations either.

Every school, university, employer, organization does that. And for the 2nd part, neither does planned parenthood.
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(06-27-2016 02:46 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  If "Christian" schools wish to discriminate in employment, admissions, or staffing..then it is perfectly acceptable for others to refuse to recognize that degree as valid.

They also don't have a right to taxpayer funding or tax free donations either.

As long as we're going down the road of threatening to pull accreditation for discrimination, can we revoke accreditation for all-women's colleges? And can we scrutinize affirmative action policies and threaten schools whose policies don't meet the Supreme Court's new criteria for legal AA?
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(06-27-2016 04:06 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(06-27-2016 03:10 PM)miko33 Wrote:  IMHO, I think there are 2 distinct ideas that are being conflated in the article. There is a difference between religious groups being allowed to exist and function on any college campus vs a Religious Affiliated university from teaching content that contradicts actual facts. If a Christian or Muslim student club wants to opine on the role a woman should have in a religious society, no skin off my nose. However, if a university is trying to teach its students that the earth is 6000 years old (for example) in a biology class then there is an accreditation issue at stake here. I think BYU runs into some issues with academic freedom issues if I'm not mistaken. There is a difference in expressing a viewpoint vs teaching a viewpoint that is contrary to accreditation standards.

I do not think accreditation should be based on what is taught but how it is taught.

When you go policing the what you run right back into the problem of freedom of thought and the value that has in it. Academics need the freedom to argue their point, and the freedom to be wrong from time to time.
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(06-27-2016 02:40 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  This is how massive persecution begins.

you're close....

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