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Bad news for those wishing for a WAC football revival with FCS move-ups.

(06-25-2016 11:27 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  http://www.inforum.com/news/4061674-bres...econd-tier

Bad news for those wishing for a WAC football revival with FCS move-ups.

Just maybe NDSU is not invited. The State Board of Higher Education is rumored to be firing the NDSU President this coming week because he consistently disobeys them and the legislature.

Having both UND and NDSU in an FBS league does not help cable network contracts.

Tried to tell the tin foil hat crowd, those schools don't want FBS (this guy is still calling it BCS). Thier hope is not to ramp up investment in thier programs and join the G5 in FBS--rather thier hope is the G5 falls down to join them in FCS. Always has been.

this guy is going to get a dozen angry emails from David State

(06-26-2016 07:34 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  this guy is going to get a dozen angry emails from David State

And lakesbison.

(06-25-2016 11:27 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  http://www.inforum.com/news/4061674-bres...econd-tier

Bad news for those wishing for a WAC football revival with FCS move-ups.

Hopefully this will put an end to the few posters on here promising there's a scheme in place for a WAC FBS football revival. There was no evidence for a WAC revival. This news just confirms what we already know. I'll wait to hear how I'm wrong and that not only is this not a bad thing for the WAC FBS wishers, it's somehow a good thing. This ought to be fun.

Cheers!

(06-26-2016 01:49 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Tried to tell the tin foil hat crowd, those schools don't want FBS (this guy is still calling it BCS). Thier hope is not to ramp up investment in thier programs and join the G5 in FBS--rather thier hope is the G5 falls down to join them in FCS. Always has been.

There was a recent article about Towson with their AD saying the same thing. The G5 certainly doesn't have much power but seems like there is a bit of a reciprocal relationship necessary for the P5, even if to avoid the accusations / charges of anti-competitive behavior if the P5 tried to insulate themselves from everyone else.

Hard to argue FCS isn't great for NDSU.
They have either hosted gameday or sport center the last couple of years.
They pack their stadium anyway and have most of their games on ESPN3.

They might gain some exposure if they joined the MWC or especially the AAC.
Otherwise the risk isn't worth the reward why invest?
Even if the MWC invited them they would need to keep winning to gain anything.

Until NDSU,Montana or JMU fans stop packing their stadium for FCS there is little incentive to move up.

One problem with his statement is FCS is third tier .
So saying that NDSU belongs in the second tier means FBS below the P5.

What do the Dakota schools, the Montanas or Delaware gain from FBS. They are already the top schools in their states. They already fill their stadiums, already play other similar sized schools nearby. The only thing they could possibly gain is home and homes with P5 schools and that would take such a monetary investment that they likely feel like, why bother?

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(06-26-2016 09:48 AM)MJG Wrote:  One problem with his statement is FCS is third tier .
So saying that NDSU belongs in the second tier means FBS below the P5.

I guess he considers all 10 FBS conferences as first tier, FCS as second tier.

Cheers!

(06-26-2016 10:46 AM)panama Wrote:  What do the Dakota schools, the Montanas or Delaware gain from FBS. They are already the top schools in their states. They already fill their stadiums, already play other similar sized schools nearby. The only thing they could possibly gain is home and homes with P5 schools and that would take such a monetary investment that they likely feel like, why bother?

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Other than becoming another punching bag playing for bodybag games...not much.

(06-26-2016 11:02 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-26-2016 09:48 AM)MJG Wrote:  One problem with his statement is FCS is third tier .
So saying that NDSU belongs in the second tier means FBS below the P5.

I guess he considers all 10 FBS conferences as first tier, FCS as second tier.

Cheers!

Yeah he still calls it BCS so he is a casual fan at best.
The BCS and now Power Five is an unofficial way of splitting FBS.
I don't think a real split will happen or is necessary.
Not when you can get all the benefits without an official split.

Not as much disappointed by his position as I am at how pathetically he comes off, with his glib, moronic references to BCS. Gee whiz, get a clue.

His position is literally a page of talking notes that (former athletic director) Gene Taylor typed up before he left for Iowa. Taylor was fervent in opposition to moving up. Coog hit the nail on the head: these guys all see FCS as "we're spending the correct amount of money on football, the G5 are spending way too much on the sport for getting nothing in return and the market/NCAA is going to make a correction, bringing them down to us!"

It's a horse dung position. One that I can't stand, personally. It's cheap and it's lazy and it's flat wrong.

(06-26-2016 09:44 AM)MJG Wrote:  Hard to argue FCS isn't great for NDSU.
They have either hosted gameday or sport center the last couple of years.
They pack their stadium anyway and have most of their games on ESPN3.

They might gain some exposure if they joined the MWC or especially the AAC.
Otherwise the risk isn't worth the reward why invest?
Even if the MWC invited them they would need to keep winning to gain anything.

Until NDSU,Montana or JMU fans stop packing their stadium for FCS there is little incentive to move up.

I think MWC could be the goal. If you start losing Wichita State, Northern Iowa, Illinois State and Missouri State to the FBS, MVFC would be watered down, and not be the great conference anymore. Joining MWC with Wichita State might be the goal. That would get all their sports in one conference. We have heard school Presidents before saying they are happy where they are at like Northern Kentucky and Omaha, and than less than a year, they moved up. It is a code word meaning they are waiting for a better offer to come their way.

(06-26-2016 12:04 PM)AllPtsBulletin Wrote:  

(06-26-2016 10:46 AM)panama Wrote:  What do the Dakota schools, the Montanas or Delaware gain from FBS. They are already the top schools in their states. They already fill their stadiums, already play other similar sized schools nearby. The only thing they could possibly gain is home and homes with P5 schools and that would take such a monetary investment that they likely feel like, why bother?

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Other than becoming another punching bag playing for bodybag games...not much.

NDSU would not be a punching bag to anybody in FBS. They in turn would used Kansas as a punching bag.

You never get the point. Carry on.

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(06-26-2016 03:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-26-2016 12:04 PM)AllPtsBulletin Wrote:  

(06-26-2016 10:46 AM)panama Wrote:  What do the Dakota schools, the Montanas or Delaware gain from FBS. They are already the top schools in their states. They already fill their stadiums, already play other similar sized schools nearby. The only thing they could possibly gain is home and homes with P5 schools and that would take such a monetary investment that they likely feel like, why bother?

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Other than becoming another punching bag playing for bodybag games...not much.

NDSU would not be a punching bag to anybody in FBS. They in turn would used Kansas as a punching bag.

I bet LSU would put 57 on them, and maybe give up a field goal--late in the 4th quarter. I'd take that result 8 out of 10 times.

That said, they are in a great place for themselves and there is nothing wrong with being the best at the level they are.

(06-26-2016 02:59 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-26-2016 09:44 AM)MJG Wrote:  Hard to argue FCS isn't great for NDSU.
They have either hosted gameday or sport center the last couple of years.
They pack their stadium anyway and have most of their games on ESPN3.

They might gain some exposure if they joined the MWC or especially the AAC.
Otherwise the risk isn't worth the reward why invest?
Even if the MWC invited them they would need to keep winning to gain anything.

Until NDSU,Montana or JMU fans stop packing their stadium for FCS there is little incentive to move up.

I think MWC could be the goal. If you start losing Wichita State, Northern Iowa, Illinois State and Missouri State to the FBS, MVFC would be watered down, and not be the great conference anymore. Joining MWC with Wichita State might be the goal. That would get all their sports in one conference. We have heard school Presidents before saying they are happy where they are at like Northern Kentucky and Omaha, and than less than a year, they moved up. It is a code word meaning they are waiting for a better offer to come their way.

Wichita State is getting an FBS offer from somewhere, and the most logical answer is the WAC. NMSU has somehow snagged home and home non conference basketball games with them. Sam Houston St, Lamar, and Missouri St also want FBS, but Missouri St and Wichita St want to keep basketball in the MVC until they get better offers from the AAC or CUSA. The WAC is the only place they can go as football affiliates. Both NMSU and Wichita St need a Texas presence for their FBS teams.

UND, the Montanas, Idaho, and EWU would make up a northern division of the WAC. UMKC and UTRGV can stay in, but all other WAC schools would go to the Big Sky along with UTRGV's FCS team.

(06-26-2016 10:46 AM)panama Wrote:  What do the Dakota schools, the Montanas or Delaware gain from FBS. They are already the top schools in their states. They already fill their stadiums, already play other similar sized schools nearby. The only thing they could possibly gain is home and homes with P5 schools and that would take such a monetary investment that they likely feel like, why bother?

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UND would gain a lot from going FBS, assuming we have donors that will expand our on campus stadium. Our hockey team attracts the leading attendance in the country at 250 k. Football right now doesn't attract sellouts because in large part it is perceived rightly as playing at a lower level in comparison. Homecoming to most alumni is spread over the winter months when they can go to a hockey game. If we had a stadium big enough to actually host regional FBS teams, our fans would wake up to football and we would be out of the shadows of NDSU football.

Before hockey had a 12k arena, we struggled to have 4k attendance in a 6k arena. Many pundits said the 12k arena was a big mistake, as it would never sell out after the honeymoon period. It's been fifteen years, and sell outs are still normal, with fans on waiting lists. Football wants the same.