(07-22-2016 05:37 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 05:32 PM)NoQuestion Wrote:  I predict NoDak will change his deadline to September.

Done.

At the end of July can you at least stop telling us that Idaho is some kind of FBS mastermind and acknowledge that it's actually a school run by short-sighted people who are likely irretrievably giving up their FBS ticket for nothing?

And while you're at it, admit that no MVFC, Big South, or Southland teams are joining the Big Sky.

(07-22-2016 06:07 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 05:37 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 05:32 PM)NoQuestion Wrote:  I predict NoDak will change his deadline to September.

Done.

At the end of July can you at least stop telling us that Idaho is some kind of FBS mastermind and acknowledge that it's actually a school run by short-sighted people who are likely irretrievably giving up their FBS ticket for nothing?

I underestimated just how cheap Idaho supporters are.

(07-22-2016 07:34 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  And while you're at it, admit that no MVFC, Big South, or Southland teams are joining the Big Sky.

Its obvious the FBS WAC can be a health hazard for you.

You can have whatever fantasy you want, but when you start being dishonest about what Big Sky comish said, that's taking it too far.

(07-22-2016 07:53 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 06:07 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 05:37 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 05:32 PM)NoQuestion Wrote:  I predict NoDak will change his deadline to September.

Done.

At the end of July can you at least stop telling us that Idaho is some kind of FBS mastermind and acknowledge that it's actually a school run by short-sighted people who are likely irretrievably giving up their FBS ticket for nothing?

I underestimated just how cheap Idaho supporters are.

Idaho supporters might be less cheap if they'd been presented with any kind of plan to improve facilities or our place in the athletic world at any point in the past 40 years and asked to help pay for it. A fundraising campaign for a new basketball arena finally started last year but by then we were already circling the drain and the boosters are now so angry it's taking forever to get off the ground.

So if there really was a plan to stay FBS, Idaho leadership would have been wise to tell someone about it. The trust level isn't real high around here.

(07-22-2016 08:48 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  You can have whatever fantasy you want, but when you start being dishonest about what Big Sky comish said, that's taking it too far.

Didn't know that you know everything that goes on in the Big Sky offices with a sophisticated wiretapping / surveillance operation. Julian Assange would be impressed.

(07-22-2016 09:07 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 07:53 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 06:07 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 05:37 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(07-22-2016 05:32 PM)NoQuestion Wrote:  I predict NoDak will change his deadline to September.

Done.

At the end of July can you at least stop telling us that Idaho is some kind of FBS mastermind and acknowledge that it's actually a school run by short-sighted people who are likely irretrievably giving up their FBS ticket for nothing?

I underestimated just how cheap Idaho supporters are.

Idaho supporters might be less cheap if they'd been presented with any kind of plan to improve facilities or our place in the athletic world at any point in the past 40 years and asked to help pay for it. A fundraising campaign for a new basketball arena finally started last year but by then we were already circling the drain and the boosters are now so angry it's taking forever to get off the ground.

So if there really was a plan to stay FBS, Idaho leadership would have been wise to tell someone about it. The trust level isn't real high around here.

Kicking off the new arena fundraising with an FBS WAC announcement would go a long way in building trust and setting high goals.

NoDak,

Why are you being so dishonest?

Her quotes are in the link that Latah provided. She doesn't say a single iota about expansion past 14. Anything she said in any context regarding expansion was purely in regards to Idaho joining in football, in two years.

You knew it then and you know that now. Yet you dishonestly posted "Why would a league with 14 fb teams need more?" in #191. Do we need to bring out the "L" word, here??

What if North Dakota State and South Dakota State sent an app to join the Big 12? They are R2 on the Carnegie metrics. They fit in with several of the Big 12 schools. Plus, it is in their geographic region for them to do it.

(07-24-2016 01:58 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  What if North Dakota State and South Dakota State sent an app to join the Big 12? They are R2 on the Carnegie metrics. They fit in with several of the Big 12 schools. Plus, it is in their geographic region for them to do it.

I underestimated just how cheap Idaho supporters are.
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UI alums and supporters have a history of outstanding generosity to the school. Capitol campaigns tend to be very successful and significantly exceed goals. As far as I know, they have never done one for athletics. In fact, until very recently, UI denied their athletic department access to the donor roles. I suspect UI alumni would be generous to athletics if asked but there does not appear to be any public campaign to do so. Latah can correct me if I am wrong.

(07-25-2016 03:09 PM)Bronco85 Wrote:  UI alums and supporters have a history of outstanding generosity to the school. Capitol campaigns tend to be very successful and significantly exceed goals. As far as I know, they have never done one for athletics. In fact, until very recently, UI denied their athletic department access to the donor roles. I suspect UI alumni would be generous to athletics if asked but there does not appear to be any public campaign to do so. Latah can correct me if I am wrong.

All true. UI alums regularly donate millions when asked. The administration has often been outright hostile to athletics -- the zero sum world of Idaho education rears its head again -- and the AD has sometimes had to jump through hoops to even be allowed to contact alums, but there are plenty of UI supporters with the means and donor history to do a lot more if asked.

During the entire FBS era the athletic department only really made one major upgrade request -- for upgraded practice facilities, weight room and training and locker rooms. The money for all that was raised quickly. And then, nothing new from the AD for a decade.

We'll never know what we might have done if given a plan, because we haven't had a visionary president or athletic director in a very long time. And now we're about to give up without ever really trying.

I just wonder if Idaho had been located somewhere else -- not right next to WA St -- if that would've helped things.

There has to be some history on why those schools were placed so close to each other. Idaho surely got the bad end of that ... perhaps even a blunder.

(07-25-2016 03:54 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  I just wonder if Idaho had been located somewhere else -- not right next to WA St -- if that would've helped things.

There has to be some history on why those schools were placed so close to each other. Idaho surely got the bad end of that ... perhaps even a blunder.

Looooong story. Basically, there has always been bad blood and mistrust between North Idaho and South Idaho, dating back to the founding of the territory (read this if you care: http://idahoptv.org/productions/specials...cle-05.cfm)

As partial mollification for the state capitol having been "stolen" from Lewiston it was agreed that the state flagship and land grant school would be placed in the north. Meanwhile, the Palouse (home of Moscow and Pullman) was a hugely prosperous agricultural area (around the turn of the century Whitman County, WA had the highest per capita income in the entire nation). Mining was taking off all around the area, as well. So, Moscow made a lot of sense for a school focused on ag, mining and engineering.

WSU was founded around the same time as Idaho, for reasons that also made sense at the time. Now, the two schools would probably be located in Spokane and Coeur d' Alene. But it is what it is.

But I'm talking: these schools are literally a stones throw from each other! I can't believe that just happened by chance or coincidence.

In other words, I'm not pinning Idaho's misfortune on its location per se, but because it's so clearly overshadowed by WA St.

Was it on purpose, and which side built second? I guess is what it comes down to.

(07-25-2016 04:08 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  But I'm talking: these schools are literally a stones throw from each other! I can't believe that just happened by chance or coincidence.

In other words, I'm not pinning Idaho's misfortune on its location per se, but because it's so clearly overshadowed by WA St.

Was it on purpose, and which side built second? I guess is what it comes down to.

Idaho was first by about 2 years.

So WA screwed ID in doing that. Obviously the placement was intentional, I just wonder if the spirit was intended to be cooperative or to out-compete the new Idaho land-grant in the region?

(07-25-2016 04:53 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  So WA screwed ID in doing that. Obviously the placement was intentional, I just wonder if the spirit was intended to be cooperative or to out-compete the new Idaho land-grant in the region?

I don't think it was malicious. At the time I'm sure there were many more advantages than disadvantages to having the two schools close together. It was the 1890's. Transportation was harder, communication was slower, resources were fewer. Sharing helped.

Plus, at the time there were a lot fewer options in Eastern WA. Spokane was tiny. Pre-dams, most of the rest of the state was an uninhabitable desert. Pullman made sense. Stuff just happened, and the two schools have had a productive and cooperative relationship for a very long time. On this board we act like football is the only thing universities do, but in most everything else the proximity of the two schools has been mostly beneficial.

Yes, of course.

Just happens though that is the only pair of border states in the country to situate their land-grants right across the state line from each other!

But I agree, I bet the original intention wasn't malicious.