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RE: This year is the turning point of our program
(06-26-2016 04:11 PM)Bcatbog Wrote:  When my friends ask me how our FB team will do I tell them I have no idea.

Primary to me is the wide receiver corp. We lost a huge amount of talent. I saw nothing at the Spring Game. When I have stated this position I have been trashed by "homers".

Now Ono is gone - ugh!

As for CTT - how does the extension he got even compute with the idea of he being fired? I have zero confidence that he has the fire in the belly necessary to win. I think someone needs to simply challenge his manhood and character as to value we receive for his salary.

Personally I see chaos at UC. The face of the University is gone. There is no B 12 invite. The money from the dissolution of the Big East will soon be gone.

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RE: This year is the turning point of our program
(06-26-2016 04:11 PM)Bcatbog Wrote:  When my friends ask me how our FB team will do I tell them I have no idea.

Primary to me is the wide receiver corp. We lost a huge amount of talent. I saw nothing at the Spring Game. When I have stated this position I have been trashed by "homers".

Now Ono is gone - ugh!

As for CTT - how does the extension he got even compute with the idea of he being fired? I have zero confidence that he has the fire in the belly necessary to win. I think someone needs to simply challenge his manhood and character as to value we receive for his salary.

Personally I see chaos at UC. The face of the University is gone. There is no B 12 invite. The money from the dissolution of the Big East will soon be gone.

Bob

Step away from the ledge...it will be ok.
 
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(06-26-2016 04:11 PM)Bcatbog Wrote:  Now Ono is gone - ugh!

I'll miss his play calling when we got into the red-zone.
 
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(06-26-2016 07:47 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Step away from the ledge...it will be ok.

I have to admit. I also am on the ledge... Well, maybe not. Maybe I was on the ledge last year. This year I'm more like the comedian Ron White when he was talking about nearly being in a plane crash. "Take it down; I don't care".

Honestly, I'm really wondering if I should stop giving my time and money to the football program and pump that meager sum into the engineering college instead.

Seems like we continue the long march towards irrelevance.
 
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(06-27-2016 08:19 AM)AeroCat Wrote:  
(06-26-2016 07:47 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Step away from the ledge...it will be ok.

I have to admit. I also am on the ledge... Well, maybe not. Maybe I was on the ledge last year. This year I'm more like the comedian Ron White when he was talking about nearly being in a plane crash. "Take it down; I don't care".

Honestly, I'm really wondering if I should stop giving my time and money to the football program and pump that meager sum into the engineering college instead.

Seems like we continue the long march towards irrelevance.

Where I am right now. I'm not even paying attention to recruiting for the first time in ages. When I see that the commitment is more than just trying to have a winning record and to get to a December bowl game, I'll get back off of the sideline.
 
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RE: This year is the turning point of our program
I do have to admit that I think the "turning point" for the program was a couple of years back.

Either way, I don't see "this year" as a major "turning point." If we're going to turn-around, we're more in an interstate-type of situation where you have to go a distance down the road in order to "get back" to where you realized that you missed the exit (or took the wrong exit...whatever). For example, let's assume we have "a great year" (say 10 wins and a bowl win); it's not going to be a "turning point" year because we'll need to string a couple of those together to get back into prominence. Likewise, let's assume it's a season of "marginal" success--say, 7 wins and a bowl loss; it's not a "turning point" as much as the continuation of the road we're already on.

The truly troubling thing is, just "how far down" is the next potential exit--the real "turning point" for this program? Because the further we go down this route we're on, the longer the trip back to where we once were. And, even assuming we "get back" to where we once were, I'm not sure how (or if you can) make the turn "we missed." The window may be closed.
 
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(06-27-2016 10:49 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I do have to admit that I think the "turning point" for the program was a couple of years back.

Either way, I don't see "this year" as a major "turning point." If we're going to turn-around, we're more in an interstate-type of situation where you have to go a distance down the road in order to "get back" to where you realized that you missed the exit (or took the wrong exit...whatever). For example, let's assume we have "a great year" (say 10 wins and a bowl win); it's not going to be a "turning point" year because we'll need to string a couple of those together to get back into prominence. Likewise, let's assume it's a season of "marginal" success--say, 7 wins and a bowl loss; it's not a "turning point" as much as the continuation of the road we're already on.

The truly troubling thing is, just "how far down" is the next potential exit--the real "turning point" for this program? Because the further we go down this route we're on, the longer the trip back to where we once were. And, even assuming we "get back" to where we once were, I'm not sure how (or if you can) make the turn "we missed." The window may be closed.

Valid points. The loss to USF in year one is unprecedented in relation to the full time we were in the Big EAst. On the other hand, Houston went from malaise to top 10 with the right coaching hire.
 
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I don't see this as a turning point year. Don't think Tuberville has any gas in the tank. He'll show flashes of the fire he once had, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if he retires after this year.

His hire was good for the image of the program, but what we need right now is swagger and dubs (W's)
 
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(06-27-2016 10:58 AM)rosewater Wrote:  
(06-27-2016 10:49 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I do have to admit that I think the "turning point" for the program was a couple of years back.

Either way, I don't see "this year" as a major "turning point." If we're going to turn-around, we're more in an interstate-type of situation where you have to go a distance down the road in order to "get back" to where you realized that you missed the exit (or took the wrong exit...whatever). For example, let's assume we have "a great year" (say 10 wins and a bowl win); it's not going to be a "turning point" year because we'll need to string a couple of those together to get back into prominence. Likewise, let's assume it's a season of "marginal" success--say, 7 wins and a bowl loss; it's not a "turning point" as much as the continuation of the road we're already on.

The truly troubling thing is, just "how far down" is the next potential exit--the real "turning point" for this program? Because the further we go down this route we're on, the longer the trip back to where we once were. And, even assuming we "get back" to where we once were, I'm not sure how (or if you can) make the turn "we missed." The window may be closed.

Valid points. The loss to USF in year one is unprecedented in relation to the full time we were in the Big EAst. On the other hand, Houston went from malaise to top 10 with the right coaching hire.

Houston may have went from "malaise to 'Top 10'" with one season (though they had established themselves with Briles), but the question is whether or not their "stock" has really moved? They are in a comparable conference to where they have been in the last 20 years, I don't know that they are really a valid "expansion" candidate or not. If Herman leaves after this year, will Houston really "stay" on "top" or will they return back to malaise? Right now, Houston is mercurial (and we get that...we've been there), but if you take the "long-view" of things, was last season a "turning point" in their program in that they are suddenly moving in a different direction...or is it merely a "great season"?

UC, as Josh Katzowitz noted, had their "turning point" when they got into the Big East and kept winning. A separate "turning point" was reached when the BE disintegrated and we, in effect, returned to CUSA. But even then, we were regarded as being "a proven winner" and "on the verge" program. But since those days, we've been through a couple of coaches, a couple of AD's, and now a University President; we've had a decreasing number of wins in FB with a succession of Bowl blow-outs, a men's BB team that has been anywhere between "great" with a stand-out star (SK) to "meh!" with a cast of characters we struggle to remember or cheer for with tournament appearances typically ending in the first round, and only with this year's Baseball run to cheer about otherwise. It's going to take MORE than one season for this program (overall) to get back to where it was before...if that is possible at all in CUSA/AAC.

Houston will doubtless have their own reckoning. If they go 13-0 in the season and get shafted in the CFP (which I think is more than likely), the truth will be shown that the AAC is really nothing more than CUSA 1.0 in different garb...and the burn will be hard to take. If Herman leaves for more $$$ and more prestige (and that is inevitable) the question will be "What the hell do we do now?" and they could be looking at their own "Bearcats Rising" dilemma. But at least they are on the "upswing." I'd rather have that any day of the week as compared to the trajectory we're currently on.

Rant over.
 
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Does anyone really think this is not just a 2016 version of C-USA 1.0? That is self evident IMO. One of the reasons I am not investing in football right now. I can support the place that gave me a couple of degrees in other ways. But I won't be getting worked up about being in a lower subdivision of FCS in all but name.

Part of me wishes they would just come out and announce FCS and FCS-AA and be done with the charade and the financially unsustainable arms race of the have nots who are forced to subsidize AD budgets just to keep the lights on.

Speaking of which, UC fast approaching 50% total AD budget subsidy borders on financial malfeasance. And the percentage is going to jump up when the BE slush fund being distributed to UC, UCONN and USF dries up in the very near future.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/
 
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(06-27-2016 12:50 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Does anyone really think this is not just a 2016 version of C-USA 1.0? That is self evident IMO. One of the reasons I am not investing in football right now. I can support the place that gave me a couple of degrees in other ways. But I won't be getting worked up about being in a lower subdivision of FCS in all but name.

Part of me wishes they would just come out and announce FCS and FCS-AA and be done with the charade and the financially unsustainable arms race of the have nots who are forced to subsidize AD budgets just to keep the lights on.

Speaking of which, UC fast approaching 50% total AD budget subsidy borders on financial malfeasance. And the percentage is going to jump up when the BE slush fund being distributed to UC, UCONN and USF dries up in the very near future.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

C-USA for football-- CUSA 1.0 was a better product in basketball than the AAC.
 
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(06-27-2016 12:50 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Does anyone really think this is not just a 2016 version of C-USA 1.0? That is self evident IMO. One of the reasons I am not investing in football right now. I can support the place that gave me a couple of degrees in other ways. But I won't be getting worked up about being in a lower subdivision of FCS in all but name.

Part of me wishes they would just come out and announce FCS and FCS-AA and be done with the charade and the financially unsustainable arms race of the have nots who are forced to subsidize AD budgets just to keep the lights on.

Speaking of which, UC fast approaching 50% total AD budget subsidy borders on financial malfeasance. And the percentage is going to jump up when the BE slush fund being distributed to UC, UCONN and USF dries up in the very near future.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

And who had the keys for the last few years driving the UC bus? Maybe "riding" the bus is more accurate.
 
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(06-27-2016 11:27 AM)AeroCat Wrote:  I don't see this as a turning point year. Don't think Tuberville has any gas in the tank. He'll show flashes of the fire he once had, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if he retires after this year.

His hire was good for the image of the program, but what we need right now is swagger and dubs (W's)

Herman has been very complimentary of UC, saying you're at least in the top 3 AAC programs.

In many ways, Tuberville is exactly the coach the Bearcats have needed, especially with Big 12 Expansion talks heating up.

Classy guy.
 
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(09-21-2016 11:05 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Classy guy.

None of us argue with that point Homer. His record here so far, is another matter.
 
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(09-22-2016 07:11 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  
(09-21-2016 11:05 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Classy guy.

None of us argue with that point Homer. His record here so far, is another matter.

Only someone as strange as BEH would spend the time tracking down a thread that has not been commented on since the end of June to try and troll UC fans. It is of little wonder that absolutely no one takes anything he posts seriously.
 
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I find it odd Houston fans care more about UC than their own school.
 
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Yep, one way or the other...


 
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