(06-20-2016 08:45 PM)banker Wrote:  Reading your posts almost makes me forget that Ohio hasn't won a conference championship or finished a season ranked since 1968. I'm not exactly sure why the AAC would want a school with a $28MM budget that is over 65% subsidized to be that high. Solich has done a good job, not great, there, but outside of his years you have a long history of futility on the football field.

And before you go there, yes, you have pretty much owned us the last 5 years. Like I said, Solich has done a good job and staff continuity has served you well. However, Solich doesn't have many productive years left and there's the risk you return to your historic norm.

Its because we have a 13,000 seat basketball arena, the largest to be found in either the MAC, CUSA or SBC.

It will be expanded with a grand front entrance and be an AAC level facility.

Facilities and MAC leading attendance in both FB/BB. School is over 40,000 students system wide now. There are lots of reasons.

(06-20-2016 06:26 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 06:08 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  See this is what frustrates me about our local writers publishing crap like this.

I have not heard a SINGLE Marshall fan advocate for moving back to the MAC. Are we frustrated with some of the things in CUSA? Absolutely. Would any of us like to leave CUSA for the MAC? Absolutely not.

This TV deal is good for the MAC. They do not have large fan bases and they most likely never will. So if no one is going to show up anyways, might as well play on Tues/Weds for the money and exposure. Smart move by them. We have a solid G5 fan base at Marshall. Whatever we got in TV money would be lost at the gate on Tues/Weds nights instead of Saturday night games.

EDIT: Sorry, I had to come back and add more.

Huntington and the surrounding areas have a culture that is more aligned with the south as opposed to the midwest. Most of our alumni also move south upon graduation. So playing in CUSA gives us the opportunity to play closer to our alumni as opposed to playing in the midwestern towns of the MAC.

Same reason Ohio University right up the road would never join CUSA. They definitely align more with the midwest. Most of their alumni are in those areas.

We get that too, though not as much from the reporters as short-sighted fans and willfully ignorant observers who think that ODU would have been better off staying in the CAA and FCS. There's basically no benefit to staying FCS, and all those rivalries that people miss in basketball can be taken care of in non-conference scheduling (this season alone there's at least six games against former CAA opponents). I don't think anyone, short of the faculty senate types who I'm guessing would disband the entire AD, thinks that ODU is better off in the CAA. It's kind of hard to get excited about Maine and Albany coming in when N.C. State and Marshall have already appeared.

I was a freshman at MU in 1998. 1 year after moving back up to 1-A football. MU so a conf championship in 1997 and we were on our way to another in 1998 and I myself hear people usually older with gray or blue hair sayi g we should of remained in 1-AA blah blah blah. People still talk about the Southern Conf and all the 1-AA playoffs. I think it's just the winning. If Marshall didn't dominate 1-AA I highly doubt anyone would want to dro down to the peewee leagues.

(06-20-2016 08:15 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 05:37 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 05:20 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  So, some Marshall fans want to move to the MAC to make a whopping 400K per year more in TV revenues? Simply because the MAC negotiated their last TV deal shortly before the door closed on good TV deals?

This is extremely short-sighted thinking. Remember, CUSA can re-negotiate it's TV deal in a couple of years, whereas the MAC is locked in for 13 long years at a number that's not impressive. Plus, I think the bowls, the venues, the brands and the crowds are much better in CUSA.

They move up to $850K after this season right? Not bad but they also require Tuesday and Wednesday games. Since Marshall will be their biggest brand, they will be stuck with many of those games. Not a good move

$835k per school for the remaining 10 years on the contract.

If the AAC stays intact and gets a nice 5 million per school TV deal in 3 years the MAC could always try to renegotiate upwards, that is if the TV climate is favorable.

The pros of CUSA, better recruiting grounds, exposure in southern markets outweigh or at least equal the cons of a weaker TV package for Marshall.

Marshall I think has a better chance at the AAC than some are giving it credit for. Joan Edwards with 38k+ seats is a big time venue. Marshall and Ohio coordinate conference discussion and have talked package deal to the AAC. Instead of having both schools in CUSA or the MAC it makes more sense to try and do it in the AAC.

I would love for Ohio & MU to be in the same conf. I've been begging for it since we left.

Sorry, Kitton. AAC teams aren't going to want to fly in to Columbus and make the hour and a half trek to Athens. Get that stubby runway at your airport a couple thousand feet longer and maybe you have a shot.

(06-20-2016 08:00 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 07:51 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 07:31 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 06:56 PM)MU42 Wrote:  There are idiots on FB and Twitter that talk about it. Mind you they probably can't name 3 players on the team or any coaches other than Doc. They just became fans during Catos junior year.

I hate to tell you but I don't think the MAC is interested in bringing Marshall back in when it can get a school like ODU that has a bigger TV market instead.

ODU is the only school in CUSA that has been seriously considered by the MAC this decade. The decade before the MAC was looking at WKU possibly to go with Temple.

I don't think ODU has any interest in going to the MAC.

I doubt it too because they know they are a new FBS program and are just trying to get their stadium online so a conference switch is the last thing they are thinking about.

I'm just saying if the MAC were to look at a school, ODU would be their first target. ODU is in the MAC for wrestling already and it would be nice to get them in for the other sports.

If AAC comes calling, we gone. I wouldn't mind being in a conference with an Ohio team but not an Ohio bus league. Between being a somewhat eastern outlier in a southern/southwestern league or being a much more extreme outlier in a Midwestern league, we're going to choose to stay.

(06-20-2016 07:32 PM)MU42 Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 07:28 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 06:08 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  Same reason Ohio University right up the road would never join CUSA. They definitely align more with the midwest. Most of their alumni are in those areas.

We may consider the AAC with Temple, UConn and Navy in it with its Mid Atlantic presence and bigger TV deal.

I was unaware the the AAC was looking at Ohio. Good luck with that.

They aren't. Or if they are, they are low on the totem pole for backfill candidates...

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(06-20-2016 06:26 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 06:08 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  See this is what frustrates me about our local writers publishing crap like this.

I have not heard a SINGLE Marshall fan advocate for moving back to the MAC. Are we frustrated with some of the things in CUSA? Absolutely. Would any of us like to leave CUSA for the MAC? Absolutely not.

This TV deal is good for the MAC. They do not have large fan bases and they most likely never will. So if no one is going to show up anyways, might as well play on Tues/Weds for the money and exposure. Smart move by them. We have a solid G5 fan base at Marshall. Whatever we got in TV money would be lost at the gate on Tues/Weds nights instead of Saturday night games.

EDIT: Sorry, I had to come back and add more.

Huntington and the surrounding areas have a culture that is more aligned with the south as opposed to the midwest. Most of our alumni also move south upon graduation. So playing in CUSA gives us the opportunity to play closer to our alumni as opposed to playing in the midwestern towns of the MAC.

Same reason Ohio University right up the road would never join CUSA. They definitely align more with the midwest. Most of their alumni are in those areas.

We get that too, though not as much from the reporters as short-sighted fans and willfully ignorant observers who think that ODU would have been better off staying in the CAA and FCS. There's basically no benefit to staying FCS, and all those rivalries that people miss in basketball can be taken care of in non-conference scheduling (this season alone there's at least six games against former CAA opponents). I don't think anyone, short of the faculty senate types who I'm guessing would disband the entire AD, thinks that ODU is better off in the CAA. It's kind of hard to get excited about Maine and Albany coming in when N.C. State and Marshall have already appeared.

Give it time for those fans to shut up about preferring to have stuck in FCS. That B.S. will die down with FBS level success that ODU will inevitably have. Marshall had those same folks in the late 90's and early 2000's after we moved up to FBS, even when we were beating teams like South Carolina, Clemson, and Kansas State while dominating the MAC. Every fan base has fools.

(06-20-2016 08:45 PM)banker Wrote:  Reading your posts almost makes me forget that Ohio hasn't won a conference championship or finished a season ranked since 1968. I'm not exactly sure why the AAC would want a school with a $28MM budget that is over 65% subsidized to be that high. Solich has done a good job, not great, there, but outside of his years you have a long history of futility on the football field.

And before you go there, yes, you have pretty much owned us the last 5 years. Like I said, Solich has done a good job and staff continuity has served you well. However, Solich doesn't have many productive years left and there's the risk you return to your historic norm.

They are also in our media market. We dominate that market. All local news in Athens is supplied by Huntington stations. If you have the choice between a school with a stronger brand and dominance of the media market, I would think that you would choose that university.

(06-20-2016 07:38 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 07:32 PM)MU42 Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 07:28 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 06:08 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  Same reason Ohio University right up the road would never join CUSA. They definitely align more with the midwest. Most of their alumni are in those areas.

We may consider the AAC with Temple, UConn and Navy in it with its Mid Atlantic presence and bigger TV deal.

I was unaware the the AAC was looking at Ohio. Good luck with that.

Entered talks for the second time with the AAC this spring. A couple years ago Ohio was talking as a fall back if Navy didn't decide to join.

Then when the Big East was still around they had reps at our Independence Bowl. Potentially could have been a school to add instead of Tulane that would have kept both the FB and BB camps happy. That year Ohio was in the Top 25 for both FB and BB. The name was at least on the board at that point.

The last couple of years announced an expansion to FB stadium (money already raised) and BB arena (new grand entrance, practice facilities). That probably was areas that we were told to fix by the BE/AAC during earlier discussions.

Link? oh that's right, a hear say thing. Hey I heard Notre Dame wanted to join the sunbelt......what I heard.........lol

(06-21-2016 05:13 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 07:32 PM)MU42 Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 07:28 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 06:08 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  Same reason Ohio University right up the road would never join CUSA. They definitely align more with the midwest. Most of their alumni are in those areas.

We may consider the AAC with Temple, UConn and Navy in it with its Mid Atlantic presence and bigger TV deal.

I was unaware the the AAC was looking at Ohio. Good luck with that.

They aren't. Or if they are, they are low on the totem pole for backfill candidates...

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There's something funny about this. stay_cool thinks NIU has a shot at the AAC. He constantly goes around pimping his school.

Ohio would get the call before NIU. So maybe you should realize just how low on the list you guys are.

(06-21-2016 06:00 AM)RedParallax Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 06:26 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 06:08 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  See this is what frustrates me about our local writers publishing crap like this.

I have not heard a SINGLE Marshall fan advocate for moving back to the MAC. Are we frustrated with some of the things in CUSA? Absolutely. Would any of us like to leave CUSA for the MAC? Absolutely not.

This TV deal is good for the MAC. They do not have large fan bases and they most likely never will. So if no one is going to show up anyways, might as well play on Tues/Weds for the money and exposure. Smart move by them. We have a solid G5 fan base at Marshall. Whatever we got in TV money would be lost at the gate on Tues/Weds nights instead of Saturday night games.

EDIT: Sorry, I had to come back and add more.

Huntington and the surrounding areas have a culture that is more aligned with the south as opposed to the midwest. Most of our alumni also move south upon graduation. So playing in CUSA gives us the opportunity to play closer to our alumni as opposed to playing in the midwestern towns of the MAC.

Same reason Ohio University right up the road would never join CUSA. They definitely align more with the midwest. Most of their alumni are in those areas.

We get that too, though not as much from the reporters as short-sighted fans and willfully ignorant observers who think that ODU would have been better off staying in the CAA and FCS. There's basically no benefit to staying FCS, and all those rivalries that people miss in basketball can be taken care of in non-conference scheduling (this season alone there's at least six games against former CAA opponents). I don't think anyone, short of the faculty senate types who I'm guessing would disband the entire AD, thinks that ODU is better off in the CAA. It's kind of hard to get excited about Maine and Albany coming in when N.C. State and Marshall have already appeared.

Give it time for those fans to shut up about preferring to have stuck in FCS. That B.S. will die down with FBS level success that ODU will inevitably have. Marshall had those same folks in the late 90's and early 2000's after we moved up to FBS, even when we were beating teams like South Carolina, Clemson, and Kansas State while dominating the MAC. Every fan base has fools.

Nearly every time ODU sports/football/basketball posts something there is somone clamoring for the CAA. I miss the CAA days, but now that VCU, George Mason, and Georgia State are gone, there is no way I would want back in. We got football at a time where the CAA was one of the most dominant conferences in 1-AA (back when they called it that), but it isn't the same anymore. Sure, playing JMU in football would be nice but then what, Elon? Albany? Yeah right. I'll be fine with playing Conference USA schools in football AND basketball, there is no comparison. And we play 15 ACC school in the next 10 years, including one year that we play both UVA and Virginia Tech in the same OOC. That wouldn't happen if we were in the CAA

(06-21-2016 07:19 AM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  

(06-21-2016 05:13 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 07:32 PM)MU42 Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 07:28 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 06:08 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  Same reason Ohio University right up the road would never join CUSA. They definitely align more with the midwest. Most of their alumni are in those areas.

We may consider the AAC with Temple, UConn and Navy in it with its Mid Atlantic presence and bigger TV deal.

I was unaware the the AAC was looking at Ohio. Good luck with that.

They aren't. Or if they are, they are low on the totem pole for backfill candidates...

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There's something funny about this. stay_cool thinks NIU has a shot at the AAC. He constantly goes around pimping his school.

Ohio would get the call before NIU. So maybe you should realize just how low on the list you guys are.

If NIU wants a shot at the AAC, they have a lot of catching up to do. First, 12K attendance average? Sale your program, not many leagues will go for that. Second, the stadium, while not horrid, needs a lot done to it. I like NIU as a program, but the rest needs work.

(06-20-2016 11:02 PM)banker Wrote:  Sorry, Kitton. AAC teams aren't going to want to fly in to Columbus and make the hour and a half trek to Athens. Get that stubby runway at your airport a couple thousand feet longer and maybe you have a shot.

Not to mention their "market share" doesn't exist as long as Ohio State is still doing business in Ohio. He said none of the other teams cut into their market share. I just chuckled because none of the Ohio MAC teams have a market share. It's 95% Ohio State and 4.9% Cincy. The other 6 FBS schools split .1% of the market and Athens is more isolated than Huntington is, by a lot. So no airport and no market. But Kitkat has always been on the far side of delusional.

(06-21-2016 07:19 AM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  

(06-21-2016 05:13 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 07:32 PM)MU42 Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 07:28 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 06:08 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  Same reason Ohio University right up the road would never join CUSA. They definitely align more with the midwest. Most of their alumni are in those areas.

We may consider the AAC with Temple, UConn and Navy in it with its Mid Atlantic presence and bigger TV deal.

I was unaware the the AAC was looking at Ohio. Good luck with that.

They aren't. Or if they are, they are low on the totem pole for backfill candidates...

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There's something funny about this. stay_cool thinks NIU has a shot at the AAC. He constantly goes around pimping his school.

Ohio would get the call before NIU. So maybe you should realize just how low on the list you guys are.

That's not what i said. I said Ohio is not a top AAC candidate. I believe there are many others ahead of them in the pecking order, even if we pretend NIU doesn't exist.

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(06-21-2016 12:07 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(06-21-2016 07:19 AM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  

(06-21-2016 05:13 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 07:32 PM)MU42 Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 07:28 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  We may consider the AAC with Temple, UConn and Navy in it with its Mid Atlantic presence and bigger TV deal.

I was unaware the the AAC was looking at Ohio. Good luck with that.

They aren't. Or if they are, they are low on the totem pole for backfill candidates...

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There's something funny about this. stay_cool thinks NIU has a shot at the AAC. He constantly goes around pimping his school.

Ohio would get the call before NIU. So maybe you should realize just how low on the list you guys are.

That's not what i said. I said Ohio is not a top AAC candidate. I believe there are many others ahead of them in the pecking order, even if we pretend NIU doesn't exist.

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Like their fans do.

(06-21-2016 11:55 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 11:02 PM)banker Wrote:  Sorry, Kitton. AAC teams aren't going to want to fly in to Columbus and make the hour and a half trek to Athens. Get that stubby runway at your airport a couple thousand feet longer and maybe you have a shot.

Not to mention their "market share" doesn't exist as long as Ohio State is still doing business in Ohio. He said none of the other teams cut into their market share. I just chuckled because none of the Ohio MAC teams have a market share. It's 95% Ohio State and 4.9% Cincy. The other 6 FBS schools split .1% of the market and Athens is more isolated than Huntington is, by a lot. So no airport and no market. But Kitkat has always been on the far side of delusional.

Think about some of the schools that have been picked to move up.

Utah State-Do they have a market, no but they are in Utah one of the better populated mountain states.

North Texas-Do they have a real market? No. They are located in Texas.

The simple fact the Ohio is located in one of the best FB/BB recruiting states in the country helps out tremendously and it has the biggest basketball facility in the East among the G5 outside the AAC. The Convo would be lthe 3rd or 4th largest arena in the AAC.

As for travel, when UConn played in Athens they flew into Parkersburg only 30-40 minutes away. Flying into Columbus isn't required, even so its only 1:15 away. The school isn't as remote as it used to be.

I would say in many ways Marshall is even more remote a full 2 hours from Columbus while Ohio is only 1 hour.

The biggest knock on Ohio for an AAC bid would be that it doesn't have a real big football stadium but they are partially fixing that with an addition. Its only 22k seats not counting SRO but the school has put 25-26k in there in on Saturdays. The students do not have enough seats and end up having to stand.

Plus you have the state name, that actually means something imo.

(06-21-2016 06:06 AM)WEARE Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 08:45 PM)banker Wrote:  Reading your posts almost makes me forget that Ohio hasn't won a conference championship or finished a season ranked since 1968. I'm not exactly sure why the AAC would want a school with a $28MM budget that is over 65% subsidized to be that high. Solich has done a good job, not great, there, but outside of his years you have a long history of futility on the football field.

And before you go there, yes, you have pretty much owned us the last 5 years. Like I said, Solich has done a good job and staff continuity has served you well. However, Solich doesn't have many productive years left and there's the risk you return to your historic norm.

They are also in our media market. We dominate that market. All local news in Athens is supplied by Huntington stations. If you have the choice between a school with a stronger brand and dominance of the media market, I would think that you would choose that university.

Do you think that because Athens gets its local news from Huntington that Marshall somehow dominates that market more than Ohio, the largest employer in Athens County? C'mon dude. Besides, "dominating" the Huntington media market is like saying you have more friends on MySpace.

Ohio has strong academics and a solid basketball program, two things that are requirements for the AAC and two things Marshall lacks.

But back to the original topic- I like Marshall and believe they would add value to the MAC if they were replacing a member, but not as a 13th or 14th. Either way, that ship has sailed. Not going to happen.

(06-21-2016 06:29 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(06-21-2016 11:55 AM)MUther Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 11:02 PM)banker Wrote:  Sorry, Kitton. AAC teams aren't going to want to fly in to Columbus and make the hour and a half trek to Athens. Get that stubby runway at your airport a couple thousand feet longer and maybe you have a shot.

Not to mention their "market share" doesn't exist as long as Ohio State is still doing business in Ohio. He said none of the other teams cut into their market share. I just chuckled because none of the Ohio MAC teams have a market share. It's 95% Ohio State and 4.9% Cincy. The other 6 FBS schools split .1% of the market and Athens is more isolated than Huntington is, by a lot. So no airport and no market. But Kitkat has always been on the far side of delusional.

Think about some of the schools that have been picked to move up.

Utah State-Do they have a market, no but they are in Utah one of the better populated mountain states.

North Texas-Do they have a real market? No. They are located in Texas.

The simple fact the Ohio is located in one of the best FB/BB recruiting states in the country helps out tremendously and it has the biggest basketball facility in the East among the G5 outside the AAC. The Convo would be lthe 3rd or 4th largest arena in the AAC.

As for travel, when UConn played in Athens they flew into Parkersburg only 30-40 minutes away. Flying into Columbus isn't required, even so its only 1:15 away. The school isn't as remote as it used to be.

I would say in many ways Marshall is even more remote a full 2 hours from Columbus while Ohio is only 1 hour.

The biggest knock on Ohio for an AAC bid would be that it doesn't have a real big football stadium but they are partially fixing that with an addition. Its only 22k seats not counting SRO but the school has put 25-26k in there in on Saturdays. The students do not have enough seats and end up having to stand.

I've always loved reading your crazy $h!t! It is so far removed from reality it's like eating Mushrooms while looking at a computer screen. Please stop by often!

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BTW my beautiful friend, North Texas is in Denton...the Dallas DMA

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(06-21-2016 12:10 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(06-21-2016 12:07 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(06-21-2016 07:19 AM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  

(06-21-2016 05:13 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 07:32 PM)MU42 Wrote:  I was unaware the the AAC was looking at Ohio. Good luck with that.

They aren't. Or if they are, they are low on the totem pole for backfill candidates...

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There's something funny about this. stay_cool thinks NIU has a shot at the AAC. He constantly goes around pimping his school.

Ohio would get the call before NIU. So maybe you should realize just how low on the list you guys are.

That's not what i said. I said Ohio is not a top AAC candidate. I believe there are many others ahead of them in the pecking order, even if we pretend NIU doesn't exist.

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Like their fans do.

Pretty much. Our fan support has been atrocious lately, won't make excuses for it either. Need to step it up or head the way of Idaho

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