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(06-24-2016 01:18 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Thanks for the Share.... Yes it appears that ESPN and RAYCOM are in business until 2023... The ACC and ESPN are in bed until 2027... SO if I am a betting man the ACC Network would launch in 2024 or 8 years from now...Unless the Raycom/FOX sub-licensing agreement is up before 2023...I could see the ACCN subleasing those games that were previously sub-licensed to FOX to start a network.. Does anyone know if that agreement ends before 2023??

SO the question becomes how much money will the ACC get annually for a Delayed Network until 2023??

The ACC’s media rights deal with ESPN includes all game inventory, digital rights and corporate sponsorship. That, plus the security provided by the grant of rights, puts the ACC in a position of starting a network without having to buy back rights from third parties, as the SEC did with IMG College and Learfield Sports.
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While it's possible to have a network without buying back the OTA and RSN games, I'm not sure ESPN would want to compete with that... But we'll see.
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(06-24-2016 02:12 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  While it's possible to have a network without buying back the OTA and RSN games, I'm not sure ESPN would want to compete with that... But we'll see.

Raycom signed a sublicensing arrangement with ESPN for $50 million a year, providing the company with more marketing and media rights than it had before, including syndication, ACC Properties and all digital rights.
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sublicensing may not confer ownership ...
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RE: B1G Reups With ESPN -- ACC Network Announcement Coming?
I think the only way an ACCN comes out is if ESPN re-brand ESPNNEWS (more likely) or ESPNU as the ACCN. The problem is I am not sure how the ACC can get 50/50 share? Unless they buy into it...

The reason for this is simple before the SECN there were 80 SEC games shown on ESPN, ESPN2 or ESPNU after the SECN there are only 45 games, meaning 35 holes were filled on ESPN, ESPN2 or ESPNU by other Conf other then the SEC. After the new BIG Deal ESPN will air 25 football games annually, far fewer then in the past, so ESPN has even more holes to fill..

How does ESPN fill those holes... ACC games, AAC, and CUSA games on and on... The Bottomline is unless ESPN wants to create an ACC Network there will be no Network!!! I mean the ACC gave all rights T1 thru T3 and ESPN has yet to move forward, in fact they have just asked for a delay!! So at some point I hope ESPN will realize that ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU/ESPNNEWS are to many channels to have without the games that the SEC and BIG and they decide they can make money by re-branding current channel into an ACCN.

I also can see ESPN pushing the ACC for ND to join before this happens, however if the ACC will grow a pair and be willing to walk away and not package all rights as a bundle ever again to ESPN unless it is in writing that there will be a network... they will be able to do a BIG like deal for the ACC with NBC and ESPN in 2026... Also I could see NBC re-branding the NBCSPN as the ACC Network to get all of the ACC rights to go with ND in 2026... Again the ACC would have to buy into the current channel as it already exist. but NBC has re-branded that channel over the years.. and might do it to get all of the TV rights... Might not be a bad move, since ESPN has spat in the ACC face thus far...

The only scary part of all of this is that the Wasserman Media Group was brought on board to consult with the ACC’s athletic directors on future TV Network plans. Dean Jordan in WMG’s Raleigh, N.C., office will lead the agency’s relationship with the conference. He also consulted with the ACC when it renegotiated its current TV contract with ESPN. (THIS IS SCARY AS I THINK THE CURRENT TV DEAL IS BAD>>> NO WONDER THERE IS NO ACCN YET>>> THEY ARE GETTING ADVICE FROM THE WRONG PEOPLE!!)

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FWIW, I do think there is a financial opportunity for ESPN to rebrand ESPNews as ACCN. Reason: they don't get much for ESPNews (same applies to ESPNU, but they get a little more for that). I'm sure there would be some buy-in required and/or ESPN would simply skim off what they used to make from that channel, then split the additional revenue with the ACC.

BTW, was Wasserman involved in the 2010 contract? THAT is the problem, not 2012!
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(06-24-2016 04:37 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  BTW, was Wasserman involved in the 2010 contract? THAT is the problem, not 2012!

You are correct Wasserman helped with 2012... So maybe I am being to harsh!!
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(06-24-2016 04:37 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  FWIW, I do think there is a financial opportunity for ESPN to rebrand ESPNews as ACCN. Reason: they don't get much for ESPNews (same applies to ESPNU, but they get a little more for that). I'm sure there would be some buy-in required and/or ESPN would simply skim off what they used to make from that channel, then split the additional revenue with the ACC.!

If they re-brand ESPN News which is already on Direct TV/DISH/Verizion FIOS/Time Warner Cable/AT&T Uverse/Sling TV plus XM/Siruis radio.... You would not have to worry about carriage, some current content on ESPN NEWS would have to move to ESPN sister channels and ACC content will be developed... You are correct that ESPN is already getting their fee from providers so the main money source would definitely be from advertising until such time that each provider had to re-up their rights and fees.

It is not ideal but it also gets the ACCN started.... The other option is to wait until ESPN can cram the ACCN down the provider throats like they did with the SECN and then really piss people off... Who knows what the answer is, but what I will say is that I think that we know that ESPN currently makes 50M a year off of the ACC by sub-licensing to RAYCOM .. so until ESPN thinks they will make more than 50M off of an ACCN in profit I do not think we will see an ACCN. The ACC might have to pull a BIG and talk to NBC before ESPN does anything...
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Good Read from Clemson AD... about Cable providers and negotiations...

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http://awfulannouncing.com/2016/the-acc-...twork.html

"What we have to understand is if we get a network, this is not only revenue coming to the Atlantic Coast Conference, but is also a revenue producer for (ESPN). So as they look to expand their opportunities of revenue, this is a pretty good way to do it. We have a lot impetus on both sides to be able to get this done. I think the one reason why it has been kind of pushed back a little bit, and I think you guys have heard this before is the distribution channels and the ability for ESPN to get on the Comcast, the Time Warner and the DirecTV. Those are really done during their contract negotiation periods or renewals with those cable providers and those start to happen in 2018, ‘19 and ‘20.” -Dan Radakovich Clemson AD...

So Maybe I am not to far off in my logic?? Re-brand ESPNNEWS or ESPNU SINCE THERE will be less BIG/SEC/ACC Games and up the fee for this new channel..
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(06-20-2016 11:10 AM)ken d Wrote:  That's double - not triple. And the BTN share doesn't double.

You have to compare apples to apples. The initial contract held by ABC/ESPN was for 10 years at 1 Billion dollars. Which gave ESPN 50 Football and 100 basketball games and CBS which was chipping in 2 Million per year. Per John Ourand after the league added Nebraska, Maryland, & Rutgers that number grew to 150 Million per year from ESPN and CBS didn't change. What was forgotten in this analysis was that FOX paid separately 25M for the Championship game which isn't included.

So the same rights that went for 102 M, then 127M after the CCG, then 177 b/c ESPN kicked in an extra 50M at some point is what's up for comparison.

The new deal is report at 440 so..

440/102 = 431.37% increase from original deal
440/127 = 346.47% increase from origianl deal plus CCG
440/177 = 248.59% increase from original deal plus CCG plus 50M from ESPN for Nebraska, Maryland, & Rutgers

It looks like to me when they drummed up that statistic of almost triple they were ignoring everything but ESPNs 100M per year and later 150M. Because it's far easier to say (440 / 150 = almost 3X) or (440 / 100 = over 4X from the original deal). It's easy math and makes it sound like the B1G got a better deal than they actually did. The best apples to apples comparison IMO is 2.5X.
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