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So do you newbie ACC fans (Cuse, Pitt, and Ville) feel you are part of the ACC now? In FB and BB? Do you still wish you were in the Big East? Do you root for the other ACC teams in non conference contests?

Old Head fans: Do you consider Cuse, Pitt and Ville as ACC teams? Do you root for them nonconference? Do you accept the variety they bring in traditions and attitudes? Or do you wish they went away?

I left Notre Dame out on purpose.
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Once you have been admitted to the club, you have been admitted to the club. It's that simple.

Most of already thought Maryland was full of damn Yankees so Syracuse is not really a shock.

Yinzers are okay and everyone up and down the Appalachian spine knows someone from the Paris of Appalachia so they are not new especially to folks at UVa, VT, Clemson, WF, GT, etc.

People from Louisville and their fans are mid-westerners, therefore they have no traditions, being too new for such things. We know that Louisville is not really in Kentucky, much the same way that Charlotte is not really in NC.

As for ND, we have been growing accustomed to mouthy Catholics for the last 50 years. In fact they make some of the best coaches at NC State, UNC, and Duke.

Is there a special pejorative for people from Louisville? I know that folks in Louisville have teeth, unlike most folks in the rest of KY. 03-wink
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Do you consider Cuse, Pitt and Ville as ACC teams?
Mostly.

Do you root for them nonconference?
Absolutely.

Do you accept the variety they bring in traditions and attitudes?
TBH, I'm not 100% sure what those are.

Or do you wish they went away?
Depends... what are you offering in exchange? (JK)
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(06-19-2016 03:20 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  So do you newbie ACC fans (Cuse, Pitt, and Ville) feel you are part of the ACC now? In FB and BB? Do you still wish you were in the Big East? Do you root for the other ACC teams in non conference contests?

Old Head fans: Do you consider Cuse, Pitt and Ville as ACC teams? Do you root for them nonconference? Do you accept the variety they bring in traditions and attitudes? Or do you wish they went away?

I left Notre Dame out on purpose.


I was so upset when SU and Pitt came to the ACC. But now Im glad that we are here. Imiss the BE only during bb season somewhat, but to be honest, we have so many former BE teams in the ACC now, that its no big deal to me anymore. The only schools we're missing in the ACC that I loved to play are our two biggest rivals, Georgetown and Uconn. But they are back on the schedule, now so I can live with it. Plus we get to play Duke and UNC plus still play Pitt, Louisville and ND.

For fb, we get to play VT, finally, and Miami sometime in the future. I was excited about that. We still play Pitt and Louisville. Im happy in the ACC.
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(06-19-2016 03:20 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  So do you newbie ACC fans (Cuse, Pitt, and Ville) feel you are part of the ACC now? In FB and BB? Do you still wish you were in the Big East? Do you root for the other ACC teams in non conference contests?

Old Head fans: Do you consider Cuse, Pitt and Ville as ACC teams? Do you root for them nonconference? Do you accept the variety they bring in traditions and attitudes? Or do you wish they went away?

I left Notre Dame out on purpose.

IMO Florida State is still a newby.

The ACC has done an excellent job in their additions, and the conference as it is now configured is as good as possible with the teams that have been available.
As LP4 said, once your in.....your in, and are always treated accordingly.
Thanks for not asking about Notre Dame
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(06-19-2016 03:20 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  So do you newbie ACC fans (Cuse, Pitt, and Ville) feel you are part of the ACC now? In FB and BB? Do you still wish you were in the Big East? Do you root for the other ACC teams in non conference contests?

The ACC has been very welcoming. The Cards have been apart of the Metro, CUSA, BE & the American over the last 3-4 decades so it's like moving into a new house after you just got comfortable in the last one. While it takes time to adjust, it's nice to finally have a home.

Football has been fun but our only holdover is Syracuse. We're still in the process of creating some rivalries. Basketball has been great. Adding NC & Duke to Pitt, Cuse & ND, it's an amazing league. I do miss playing Marquette, Gtown & Nova but not enough to complain. The Big 12 would've been a nightmare.

I started rooting for ACC teams as soon as we were invited, always preferred the ACC over the SEC. I want the ACC to be around for another century. As far as culture goes, Louisville is diverse. There's a northeastern & Midwestern aspect but I think we're mostly southern. Shelby County, adjoining county to Jefferson (Louisville), has one of the largest Hispanic populations in the U.S. as well. As someone said Louisville is in Kentucky but it's not really a part of Kentucky & if the rest of the state had its wish we wouldn't be.
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I am ecstatic being in the ACC. It was the perfect marriage for Louisville
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(06-19-2016 06:45 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(06-19-2016 03:20 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  So do you newbie ACC fans (Cuse, Pitt, and Ville) feel you are part of the ACC now? In FB and BB? Do you still wish you were in the Big East? Do you root for the other ACC teams in non conference contests?

The ACC has been very welcoming. The Cards have been apart of the Metro, CUSA, BE & the American over the last 3-4 decades so it's like moving into a new house after you just got comfortable in the last one. While it takes time to adjust, it's nice to finally have a home.

Football has been fun but our only holdover is Syracuse. We're still in the process of creating some rivalries. Basketball has been great. Adding NC & Duke to Pitt, Cuse & ND, it's an amazing league. I do miss playing Marquette, Gtown & Nova but not enough to complain. The Big 12 would've been a nightmare.

I started rooting for ACC teams as soon as we were invited, always preferred the ACC over the SEC. I want the ACC to be around for another century. As far as culture goes, Louisville is diverse. There's a northeastern & Midwestern aspect but I think we're mostly southern. Shelby County, adjoining county to Jefferson (Louisville), has one of the largest Hispanic populations in the U.S. as well. As someone said Louisville is in Kentucky but it's not really a part of Kentucky & if the rest of the state had its wish we wouldn't be.

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Yes,I do. I grew up in Newport News, Virginia, so I always hoped Louisville would join the ACC. Now my dream has been fulfilled! 04-cheers
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Only speaking for myself, but I'm not quite "settled in" yet. Still to few interactions and games to feel like an insider.

I really like and am excited about the future of ACC football. I think the next five years are set to be VERY strong for our conference, and Louisville will play a role in that.

I miss (what used to be) Big East basketball and the Big East tourney. There was a pride and passion in that conference that was fun to follow. While the ACC delivers in big time match ups and star power, it is hurt by the lack of grit found in the bottom programs that would make for great contests.
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(06-19-2016 03:20 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  So do you newbie ACC fans (Cuse, Pitt, and Ville) feel you are part of the ACC now? In FB and BB? Do you still wish you were in the Big East? Do you root for the other ACC teams in non conference contests?

Interesting question Mark. It's something I think about and struggle with from time to time. I've gradually accepted SU is now ACC and that the old Big East is long gone. Even the reconstituted Big East felt different. The Syracuse/Georgetown days are distant memories. But in BB I feel more ACC than ever. In FB I'm glad to have BC and Pitt with us. I even feel comfortable with Louisville back with us. It's like moving to a new city but with old friendly neighbors. Football is still a learning curve for me & the inconsistencies in coaching has not helped.
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As a Louisville guy the only thing I would like to see is Louisville-Syracuse playing every year Home and Home in Basketball...it was developing into a very good Basketball Rivalry in the BIG EAST 2.0
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(06-19-2016 03:33 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Once you have been admitted to the club, you have been admitted to the club. It's that simple.

Most of already thought Maryland was full of damn Yankees so Syracuse is not really a shock.

Yinzers are okay and everyone up and down the Appalachian spine knows someone from the Paris of Appalachia so they are not new especially to folks at UVa, VT, Clemson, WF, GT, etc.

People from Louisville and their fans are mid-westerners, therefore they have no traditions, being too new for such things. We know that Louisville is not really in Kentucky, much the same way that Charlotte is not really in NC.

As for ND, we have been growing accustomed to mouthy Catholics for the last 50 years. In fact they make some of the best coaches at NC State, UNC, and Duke.

Is there a special pejorative for people from Louisville? I know that folks in Louisville have teeth, unlike most folks in the rest of KY. 03-wink

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The ACC is good fit for Syracuse but I admit I was leaning towards wanting the B1G more based on history with the teams. There was some ACC play so it was not unfamiliar territory, especially due to lacrosse. In hoops, I confess, the games are far more intriguing than the B1G would have provided.

The Big East hoops was great, the ACC is actually better. Big East football just wasn't right without PSU. ACC Lacrosse is off the charts, we could actually use a couple of canon fodder teams.
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I think the rule should be, once you win a conference championship (any sport) you are no longer a newbie.

I was excited to see Syracuse come in. I grew up just north of there and have relatives and friends in that area. I thought they were big Cuse fans but when I mention a sport other than BB they nod politely and start daydreaming about hunting season.

I do think of them as part of the ACC. The next step to conference rival will take a few more years.

I do root for them OOC. Unless they are playing Navy.
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(06-19-2016 05:18 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(06-19-2016 03:20 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  So do you newbie ACC fans (Cuse, Pitt, and Ville) feel you are part of the ACC now? In FB and BB? Do you still wish you were in the Big East? Do you root for the other ACC teams in non conference contests?

Old Head fans: Do you consider Cuse, Pitt and Ville as ACC teams? Do you root for them nonconference? Do you accept the variety they bring in traditions and attitudes? Or do you wish they went away?

I left Notre Dame out on purpose.


I was so upset when SU and Pitt came to the ACC. But now Im glad that we are here. Imiss the BE only during bb season somewhat, but to be honest, we have so many former BE teams in the ACC now, that its no big deal to me anymore. The only schools we're missing in the ACC that I loved to play are our two biggest rivals, Georgetown and Uconn. But they are back on the schedule, now so I can live with it. Plus we get to play Duke and UNC plus still play Pitt, Louisville and ND.

For fb, we get to play VT, finally, and Miami sometime in the future. I was excited about that. We still play Pitt and Louisville. Im happy in the ACC.

I forgot to mention BC as a team that I am happy to be playing again. They are probably the closest thing that SU has to having an in conference rivalry.
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(06-19-2016 10:49 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(06-19-2016 05:18 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(06-19-2016 03:20 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  So do you newbie ACC fans (Cuse, Pitt, and Ville) feel you are part of the ACC now? In FB and BB? Do you still wish you were in the Big East? Do you root for the other ACC teams in non conference contests?

Old Head fans: Do you consider Cuse, Pitt and Ville as ACC teams? Do you root for them nonconference? Do you accept the variety they bring in traditions and attitudes? Or do you wish they went away?

I left Notre Dame out on purpose.


I was so upset when SU and Pitt came to the ACC. But now Im glad that we are here. Imiss the BE only during bb season somewhat, but to be honest, we have so many former BE teams in the ACC now, that its no big deal to me anymore. The only schools we're missing in the ACC that I loved to play are our two biggest rivals, Georgetown and Uconn. But they are back on the schedule, now so I can live with it. Plus we get to play Duke and UNC plus still play Pitt, Louisville and ND.

For fb, we get to play VT, finally, and Miami sometime in the future. I was excited about that. We still play Pitt and Louisville. Im happy in the ACC.

I forgot to mention BC as a team that I am happy to be playing again. They are probably the closest thing that SU has to having an in conference rivalry.

I don't view BC as a rival at all. They don't move my fan meter whatsoever.

The closest thing we have to one now imo is Louisville.
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(06-20-2016 09:06 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  
(06-19-2016 10:49 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(06-19-2016 05:18 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(06-19-2016 03:20 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  So do you newbie ACC fans (Cuse, Pitt, and Ville) feel you are part of the ACC now? In FB and BB? Do you still wish you were in the Big East? Do you root for the other ACC teams in non conference contests?

Old Head fans: Do you consider Cuse, Pitt and Ville as ACC teams? Do you root for them nonconference? Do you accept the variety they bring in traditions and attitudes? Or do you wish they went away?

I left Notre Dame out on purpose.


I was so upset when SU and Pitt came to the ACC. But now Im glad that we are here. Imiss the BE only during bb season somewhat, but to be honest, we have so many former BE teams in the ACC now, that its no big deal to me anymore. The only schools we're missing in the ACC that I loved to play are our two biggest rivals, Georgetown and Uconn. But they are back on the schedule, now so I can live with it. Plus we get to play Duke and UNC plus still play Pitt, Louisville and ND.

For fb, we get to play VT, finally, and Miami sometime in the future. I was excited about that. We still play Pitt and Louisville. Im happy in the ACC.

I forgot to mention BC as a team that I am happy to be playing again. They are probably the closest thing that SU has to having an in conference rivalry.

I don't view BC as a rival at all. They don't move my fan meter whatsoever.

The closest thing we have to one now imo is Louisville.

I dont view BC as a rival for bb, but ever since they played that last fb game against Syracuse at BC for the BE outright championship, and their players got so frustrated with Daimond Ferri that they takled him into the bleachers, and SU stopped them from being the BE rep in the bcs bowl on their way out of the league, that game became a lot more interesting. You personally, may not view that game as a rivalry, but I do and I know a few other SU fans that look forward to playing and beating BC.
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As a Pitt fan, my emotions are somewhat mixed, TBH.

First let me say that when I heard that Pitt and Syracuse were leaving the Big East for the ACC I was ecstatic. I could see the writing on the wall and knew that the Big East was finished as a major player in college football.

It was badly damaged when Miami, Virginia Tech and Boston College left the league back in 2004 and 2005. However, it was still salvageable. When the whole discussions to bring Villanova over, basically against their wishes, that sealed it for me. At that point it became obvious that we were going to die on the vine if we stayed in that conference and I wanted out of it ASAP.

People always misunderstood that from a Pitt perspective. They thought that Pitt was worried about recruiting against Villanova. That was not the fear at all – at least among the people that I know. The fear was trying to recruit against the likes of Penn State, Ohio State, West Virginia, Notre Dame, Michigan, etc. whenever we played in the same conference as a team that played in an 18,000 seat off campus soccer stadium. That was going to be a really difficult hill to climb and I wanted no part of it.

I knew that Penn State would never allow us entrance into the Big Ten so our only realistic hope were the ACC. However, then the Big 12 experienced all of its instability and that opened up an opportunity for us. They openly flirted with Pitt – likely in an attempt to attract Notre Dame, with whom we have always had a close relationship.

I had no interest in joining a Great Plains-based conference. However, if that was our only ladder out of Saigon, so be it. All ports in a storm, right? I was that desperate to get out of the Big East.

For me, the absolute turning point during all of this came during a rain delay of a Marshall/West Virginia football game. I was driving home from vacation in South Carolina and and I came upon a WVU/Marshall game on the radio. It was raining like hell and everyone else in the car was sound asleep, so the game was welcome company.

Soon after finding it, they halted play due to a bunch of lightning in the area and that led to a long delay. During the delay, the announcer started to talk about all things West Virginia football. They basically turned the game broadcast into a call-in show. About a half an hour in then Mountaineer athletic director Oliver Luck appeared on the show and started fielding questions.

Within two or three calls the talk turned to the Big East and it's possible expansion, as well as what that meant for West Virginia University.

Well, Luck pulled no punches and basically said in no uncertain terms that West Virginia was actively trying to get out of the Big East and was in talks with a number of different conferences.

That scared the hell out of me. I knew if West Virginia left ahead of us, we were toast. I also knew that WVU would not be the only defector and that the conference as a whole would likely be toast. When I got home, within an hour or two I had linked the broadcast and send it to A contact I had in the Pitt athletic department.

To this day, I have no idea why he would be so open there except to say that Ollie has always loved himself some Ollie? Regardless of his motivation, I don't think it was very smart on his part.

Also, I don't know if that had any impact on anything but I will tell you that it was not very long afterwards that the news leaked out that Pitt and Syracuse were leaving for the ACC.
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(06-20-2016 10:02 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  As a Pitt fan, my emotions are somewhat mixed, TBH.

First let me say that when I heard that Pitt and Syracuse were leaving the Big East for the ACC I was ecstatic. I could see the writing on the wall and knew that the Big East was finished as a major player in college football.

It was badly damaged when Miami, Virginia Tech and Boston College left the league back in 2004 and 2005. However, it was still salvageable. When the whole discussions to bring Villanova over, basically against their wishes, that sealed it for me. At that point it became obvious that we were going to die on the vine if we stayed in that conference and I wanted out of it ASAP.

People always misunderstood that from a Pitt perspective. They thought that Pitt was worried about recruiting against Villanova. That was not the fear at all – at least among the people that I know. The fear was trying to recruit against the likes of Penn State, Ohio State, West Virginia, Notre Dame, Michigan, etc. whenever we played in the same conference as a team that played in an 18,000 seat off campus soccer stadium. That was going to be a really difficult hill to climb and I wanted no part of it.

I knew that Penn State would never allow us entrance into the Big Ten so our only realistic hope were the ACC. However, then the Big 12 experienced all of its instability and I don't put up an opportunity for us. They openly flirted with Pitt – likely in an attempt to attract Notre Dame, with whom we have always had a close relationship.

I had no interest in joining a Great Plains-based conference. However, if that was our only ladder out of Saigon, so be it. All ports in a storm, right? I was that desperate to get out of the Big East.

For me, the absolute turning point during all of this came during a rain delay of a Marshall/West Virginia football game. I was driving home from vacation in South Carolina and and I came upon a WVU/Marshall game on the radio. It was raining like hell and everyone else in the car was sound asleep, so the game was welcome company.

Soon after finding it, they halted play due to a bunch of lightning in the area and that led to a long delay. During the delay, the announcer started to talk about all things West Virginia football. They basically turn the game broadcast into a call-in show. About a half an hour in then mountaineer athletic director Oliver Luck appeared on the show and started fielding questions.

Within two or three calls the talk turn to the Big East and it's possible expansion as well as what that meant for West Virginia University.

Well, Luck pulled no punches and basically said in no uncertain terms that West Virginia was actively trying to get out of the Big East and was in talks with a number of different conferences.

That scared the hell out of me. I knew if West Virginia left ahead of us, we were toast. I also knew that would not be the only defect her and that the conference is a whole would likely be toast.

To this day, I have no idea why he would be so open there? But never made any sense to me. Also, I don't know if that had any impact on anything but I will tell you that it was not very long afterwards and watch the news leaked out that Pitt and Syracuse were leaving for the ACC.

I dont remember hearing about that but I do remember Luck saying something to some boosters about leaving the BE. Dr Gross, in a lame excuse to explain why SU was leaving the BE said that word coming out of WV destabilized the league. I still get a chuckle when I think about Luck trying to leave every body in the BE behind, but it was SU and Pitt that left WV behind and put the Eers in desperation mode.
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