(06-20-2016 09:44 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  I think the area in which we struggle is with the middle, upper-middle class athlete who is a good, not great student.

Unfortunately, that just might be the majority of the college baseball recruiting pool.

(06-20-2016 09:52 PM)Wiessman Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 09:43 PM)grol Wrote:  This used to be about the CWS

Here's something I've wondered about:

That pitch tracker appears to be a 2D plane, but the strike zone is 3D. Does the pitch tracker indicate if a pitch passes through the strike zone at any point in its journey over the plate, or does the tracker only register where a pitch passes through the zone at the front? I think it is the latter, but I am curious about this, because it might explain why some pitches supposedly out of the zone get called strikes anyway.

Either way, NCAA umps are still the pits. I just hope they are the pits for everyone in the CWS, because that would kind of balance things out.

Interesting question, but the pitches which generated my initial comments would have had to make a right or left turn over the plate to have caught any part of a 3 demensional strike zone tracker.

(06-20-2016 10:42 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  Interesting question, but the pitches which generated my initial comments would have had to make a right or left turn over the plate to have caught any part of a 3 demensional strike zone tracker.

Well, that OSU pitcher is throwing some fierce benders.

But I'm really thinking more about the "high" pitches. It seems to me that some of those can drop just enough to graze the back of the zone.

(06-20-2016 09:06 PM)Wiessman Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 08:49 PM)TCU2002 Wrote:  No clue why you are so hostile.

I see a distinction between speculation about schools' macro practices (which, let's be honest, is futile and usually stupid), and conjecture about a specific player's deal being against the rules without any evidence. Wrong no matter who does it.

You came on our board and started accusing a poster of making baseless accusations, when TCU people have done the very same thing and have done it with far less specificity.

Yes, there is a difference here: speculating about one player's circumstances vs. sullying an entire program's accomplishments through basically insinuating that said program has always been able to creatively skirt the rules. It's pretty clear which is worse.

Tell you what, you get your school to open its books, and we'll open ours. I know who my money would be on to come out looking better.

I think you have it precisely backwards. Who cares what internet jackwagons think about a baseball program. If Rice's commitment to need-based aid allows the university to support some great baseball players, good for Rice. Any TCU fan who implied this was a bad look for Rice is an idiot.

Saying Luken Baker might be a cheater without evidence? Way worse.

OK St gets its 2nd 1-0 win of the CWS over AZ.

(06-20-2016 11:04 PM)TCU2002 Wrote:  I think you have it precisely backwards. Who cares what internet jackwagons think about a baseball program. If Rice's commitment to need-based aid allows the university to support some great baseball players, good for Rice. Any TCU fan who implied this was a bad look for Rice is an idiot.

Saying Luken Baker might be a cheater without evidence? Way worse.

Um...

So making a comment about one player's potentially "mysterious" scholarship is far worse than basically saying an entire program at an elite university is consistently bending the rules without repercussions?

Also, the latter claim carries no weight because one of your fellow alumni is a "jackwagon"?

Yeah. Just... OK, great. Sure. I'm out.

CWS: OSU was amazing tonight, and the AZ coaches behaved like children.

(06-20-2016 11:04 PM)TCU2002 Wrote:  Saying Luken Baker might be a cheater without evidence? Way worse.

No-one here suggested that. You're missing a lot of context in the comment about "mysterious academic scholarships", and it has mostly to do with a perceived competitive disadvantage that Rice has in recruiting players, given that we're expecting parents to pay more for (partial) scholarship athletes than most students pay.

I have been told that Rice does not offer academic scholarships, period (national merit being the exception). When I matriculated, some schools, like Trinity, offered a full ride based on academics.

I think that Vandy says they don't offer student loans. So, their funding is somewhere between making parents pay and providing need based funding. Stanford says they won't charge tuition if your family's income is less than $125,000.

(06-20-2016 11:58 PM)Wiessman Wrote:  CWS: OSU was amazing tonight, and the AZ coaches behaved like children.

I missed the last 1.5 innings - what happened with the AZ coaches? Great pitching by both starters.

(06-21-2016 10:25 AM)ausowl Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 11:58 PM)Wiessman Wrote:  CWS: OSU was amazing tonight, and the AZ coaches behaved like children.

I missed the last 1.5 innings - what happened with the AZ coaches? Great pitching by both starters.

There were two very close calls at first base on AZ runners late in the game. Both runners were called out. Replays showed that the OSU first baseman's foot barely came off the bag, if at all, and in the latter case his foot came off the bag just after the out had been recorded. The plays were so close that the calls were not even completely clear on replay, but both announcers agreed that the ump probably got them both right.

The AZ coaches behaved as if the crime of the century had been committed. First, there is no excuse for supposedly grown "men" to behave like that, and second, it is not as if the umpire made definitively incorrect calls. Arguing that intensely about calls that could have gone either way suggests entitlement and a lack of perspective.

I guess if you don't ever want to grow up or develop personal restraint, becoming a big time college coach at a sports factory is your optimal career path.

I have no problem with coaches arguing a questionable call. Especially when the call gets reversed after the opposing coach makes his argument.

(06-21-2016 12:03 PM)RiceBull Wrote:  I have no problem with coaches arguing a questionable call. Especially when the call gets reversed after the opposing coach makes his argument.

Yes, I think that was the problem. Okla. St. coach comes out and complains and the original call of safe gets reversed.

(06-21-2016 12:03 PM)RiceBull Wrote:  I have no problem with coaches arguing a questionable call. Especially when the call gets reversed after the opposing coach makes his argument.

I have a problem with men behaving like kids, especially when they can't possibly be extremely confident in their position. Petulant children, the lot of them. The reaction to the second call was what was really appalling anyway.

Arguing is fine. But throwing your toys out of the pram when doing so makes you look like a brat. FFS, grow up.

It's not as if this is not expected of AZ anyway. Remember how they behaved at our place earlier in the season? The fish stinks from the head down.

AZ has had a tremendous year. The Wildcats would do well not to spoil it.

I didn't see that one so I can't comment other than to say it had to have been extremely frustrating. Especially in a 1-0 ball game of that magnitude. It does sound like it was over the top though.

(06-21-2016 06:17 AM)I45owl Wrote:  I have been told that Rice does not offer academic scholarships, period (national merit being the exception).

Are you referring specifically to what's available to athletes, or do you mean Rice as a whole?

If Rice as a whole, that's incorrect. I got a couple academic scholarships from Rice (in addition to NMS) back in the 90's. Here's the webpage with the current list:
https://financialaid.rice.edu/scholarships.aspx

I can't speak to whether or not those are available to athletes.

(06-21-2016 02:42 PM)JOwl Wrote:  

(06-21-2016 06:17 AM)I45owl Wrote:  I have been told that Rice does not offer academic scholarships, period (national merit being the exception).

Are you referring specifically to what's available to athletes, or do you mean Rice as a whole?

If Rice as a whole, that's incorrect. I got a couple academic scholarships from Rice (in addition to NMS) back in the 90's. Here's the webpage with the current list:
https://financialaid.rice.edu/scholarships.aspx

I can't speak to whether or not those are available to athletes.

I was referring to the student population as a whole. I need to revisit the source.

Meanwhile another game is going on (T Tech vs Fla) and the Tech CF just made a terrific catch in B2 just before crashing into the wall, ending the Fla at bat.

(06-21-2016 11:36 AM)Wiessman Wrote:  

(06-21-2016 10:25 AM)ausowl Wrote:  

(06-20-2016 11:58 PM)Wiessman Wrote:  CWS: OSU was amazing tonight, and the AZ coaches behaved like children.

I missed the last 1.5 innings - what happened with the AZ coaches? Great pitching by both starters.

There were two very close calls at first base on AZ runners late in the game. Both runners were called out. Replays showed that the OSU first baseman's foot barely came off the bag, if at all, and in the latter case his foot came off the bag just after the out had been recorded. The plays were so close that the calls were not even completely clear on replay, but both announcers agreed that the ump probably got them both right.

The AZ coaches behaved as if the crime of the century had been committed. First, there is no excuse for supposedly grown "men" to behave like that, and second, it is not as if the umpire made definitively incorrect calls. Arguing that intensely about calls that could have gone either way suggests entitlement and a lack of perspective.

I guess if you don't ever want to grow up or develop personal restraint, becoming a big time college coach at a sports factory is your optimal career path.

Thanks!

(06-21-2016 11:36 AM)Wiessman Wrote:  I guess if you don't ever want to grow up or develop personal restraint, becoming a big time college coach at a sports factory is your optimal career path.

Unfortunately, coaches in youth sports are often worse.

Going to T6 Tech leads Fla 2-0. One of the two teams is going 0 for 2 and barbecue, leaving only 1 of the 8 top seeds remaining and in the losers bracket. No rain in sight. Gutierrez homered for Tech to provide their 2 runs. Fla has 2 hits through 5 innings.

Sorry I can't provide any speculation on the scholarship situations for Fla or Tech, but they are actually, you know, playing a game right now, not that anybody on this board cares. Not that I don't appreciate your basic low info/high theory argumentation.