In my mind it only makes sense to do it if it is for a rivalry, so the NC schools make sense.

(06-15-2016 02:15 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 02:03 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 07:23 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  If the ACC decides to stay at 8 games for football and simply encourages teams to play each other OOC when it fits the schedule, would your team EVER do so? I'd like to hear from fans of all 14 football member schools if possible (please be sure to make it clear which team you are answering for!)

For Virginia Tech, I doubt it - mainly because the Hokies already play UVa, Miami, UNC, GT and Pitt. There is some desire to play Clemson, FSU and possibly Louisville and NC State. They are playing Syracuse this year, albeit away. The last game against Wake Forest was so ugly I doubt anyone wants a repeat any time soon. BC is already annual, so that covers everybody.

If they did play an ACC team OOC it would probably have to be a made-for-tv neutral-site event against either FSU or Clemson, possibly in Charlotte... but I just don't see it ever happening.

What are YOUR thoughts?

Carolina has already made the decision to play Wake Forest as an OOC game.
Carolina played in their 1st game in 1888 against Wake Forest and has played the Deacs over 100 times.
I hope we continue to schedule Wake as an OOC game so we can play every year.

Good point. Wake Forest IS a rival for UNC. VT already plays the teams which might be considered rivals (UVA, Miami, maybe Pitt). GT is a sort of rival for VT, and Clemson certainly could be one, as could Louisville and FSU. Even NC State has a lot in common with VT - the Hokies just don't play the Wolfpack enough to become a rivalry.

It's the distant past but we played almost 40 times between 1902 and 1964. We also played about 20 of those games in Norfolk or Richmond. We then didn't play for 25 years until that infamous Peach Bowl where Dooley had one of you kids lay on the ground and fake an injury to stop the clock from running out - that poisoned things for a while. Although I must say the fact that Dooley came from UNC was probably the biggest pisser in that.

It would make for a good road show game twice a decade - once in DC at Fed Ex, and once in Charlotte, but it's NC State that needs the exposure in the greater DC area now that MD is gone VT gets enough NC exposure between UNC, Duke, and ECU.

(06-16-2016 11:05 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 02:15 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 02:03 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 07:23 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  If the ACC decides to stay at 8 games for football and simply encourages teams to play each other OOC when it fits the schedule, would your team EVER do so? I'd like to hear from fans of all 14 football member schools if possible (please be sure to make it clear which team you are answering for!)

For Virginia Tech, I doubt it - mainly because the Hokies already play UVa, Miami, UNC, GT and Pitt. There is some desire to play Clemson, FSU and possibly Louisville and NC State. They are playing Syracuse this year, albeit away. The last game against Wake Forest was so ugly I doubt anyone wants a repeat any time soon. BC is already annual, so that covers everybody.

If they did play an ACC team OOC it would probably have to be a made-for-tv neutral-site event against either FSU or Clemson, possibly in Charlotte... but I just don't see it ever happening.

What are YOUR thoughts?

Carolina has already made the decision to play Wake Forest as an OOC game.
Carolina played in their 1st game in 1888 against Wake Forest and has played the Deacs over 100 times.
I hope we continue to schedule Wake as an OOC game so we can play every year.

Good point. Wake Forest IS a rival for UNC. VT already plays the teams which might be considered rivals (UVA, Miami, maybe Pitt). GT is a sort of rival for VT, and Clemson certainly could be one, as could Louisville and FSU. Even NC State has a lot in common with VT - the Hokies just don't play the Wolfpack enough to become a rivalry.

It's the distant past but we played almost 40 times between 1902 and 1964. We also played about 20 of those games in Norfolk or Richmond. We then didn't play for 25 years until that infamous Peach Bowl where Dooley had one of you kids lay on the ground and fake an injury to stop the clock from running out - that poisoned things for a while. Although I must say the fact that Dooley came from UNC was probably the biggest pisser in that.

It would make for a good road show game twice a decade - once in DC at Fed Ex, and once in Charlotte, but it's NC State that needs the exposure in the greater DC area now that MD is gone VT gets enough NC exposure between UNC, Duke, and ECU.

Based on other games in DC , I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss a VT/NCSU game there - or in Charlotte. Obviously VT gets enough exposure in the Triangle.

Dumbest idea ever, If this ever happens the ACC will lose so much credibility, this and No network could really put the ACC in a tail spin.

(06-16-2016 12:41 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Dumbest idea ever, If this ever happens the ACC will lose so much credibility, this and No network could really put the ACC in a tail spin.

Play a FULLY forward-rotating, non-divisional schedule:

Every ACC FB team plays ALL other ACC FB teams a total of 8 times within a 13-season period, plus every ACC FB team plays Notre Dame 5 times within the same 13-season period. Plus every ACC FB team gets to play 13 ACC opponents on a NON-CONFERENCE basis during the 13-season range.

Plus all ACC FB teams get to schedule at least 1 major non-ACC P5 opponent each season.

This means that all ACC teams get to play at least 10.385 P5 opponents yearly, including Notre Dame, on a fully balanced schedule.

All rivalries can be maintained. The ACC rivalry games just aren't played every single season for all teams all the time. Just 71% of them. Rabid Rivalry ACC Opponents lose Two Home and Two Away games during every 13 year period. In other words they get Five Home and Four Away games with their arch-rivals during the period. Other than that very big loss, it all works perfectly and is balanced. Everyone takes one for the team.

(06-16-2016 12:41 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Dumbest idea ever, If this ever happens the ACC will lose so much credibility, this and No network could really put the ACC in a tail spin.

Somehow I can't imagine that UNC playing Wake Forest OOC instead of Illinois is going to make anybody who matters think less of the ACC.

(06-16-2016 01:20 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-16-2016 12:41 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Dumbest idea ever, If this ever happens the ACC will lose so much credibility, this and No network could really put the ACC in a tail spin.

Somehow I can't imagine that UNC playing Wake Forest OOC instead of Illinois is going to make anybody who matters think less of the ACC.

Yeah, there are about a dozen potential P-5 opponents that really don't count for **** - Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, Rutgers, MD, Vandy, Kansas, Washington State, Colorado, Oregon State, and Iowa State come to mind and in many years you could add Kentucky, Minnesota, and then we have our own "sick men" who currently consist of WF, BC, UVa, and Syracuse.

I'd rather play Duke, VT, GT, or Pitt than Rutgers, Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, Vandy, WSU, or Kansas.

There are maybe 20 or schools that if you play them OOC you have something that folks care about:

Bama, Auburn, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, LSU, TAMU, Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, MSU, Wisky, Nebraska, OU, Texas, TCU, USC, UCLA, Stanford, Oregon, and ND.

Let's face it, you can have Kansas and Colorado on you schedule and you have played two P-5 schools, but you really might as well have played WF and UVa and stayed closer to home.

(06-16-2016 01:20 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-16-2016 12:41 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Dumbest idea ever, If this ever happens the ACC will lose so much credibility, this and No network could really put the ACC in a tail spin.

Somehow I can't imagine that UNC playing Wake Forest OOC instead of Illinois is going to make anybody who matters think less of the ACC.

Well UNC plays UGA this year... While I hate UGA... Wake Forest instead of UGA VS UNC is DUMB!!!!

(06-16-2016 01:53 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(06-16-2016 01:20 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-16-2016 12:41 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Dumbest idea ever, If this ever happens the ACC will lose so much credibility, this and No network could really put the ACC in a tail spin.

Somehow I can't imagine that UNC playing Wake Forest OOC instead of Illinois is going to make anybody who matters think less of the ACC.

Yeah, there are about a dozen potential P-5 opponents that really don't count for **** - Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, Rutgers, MD, Vandy, Kansas, Washington State, Colorado, Oregon State, and Iowa State come to mind and in many years you could add Kentucky, Minnesota, and then we have our own "sick men" who currently consist of WF, BC, UVa, and Syracuse.

I'd rather play Duke, VT, GT, or Pitt than Rutgers, Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, Vandy, WSU, or Kansas.

There are maybe 20 or schools that if you play them OOC you have something that folks care about:

Bama, Auburn, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, LSU, TAMU, Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, MSU, Wisky, Nebraska, OU, Texas, TCU, USC, UCLA, Stanford, Oregon, and ND.

Let's face it, you can have Kansas and Colorado on you schedule and you have played two P-5 schools, but you really might as well have played WF and UVa and stayed closer to home.

Instead of the ACC allowing ACC OOC games, they should just go to 9 game schedule!!

Why is mandatory better than optional?

I don't have much interest in seeing UNC play Georgia.

(06-16-2016 08:17 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  I don't have much interest in seeing UNC or Georgia.

FIFY

(06-16-2016 04:16 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Why is mandatory better than optional?

9 game schedule counts for ACC Title game... 8 game schedule with allowing an ACC OOC game, makes it look like ACC team cannot schedule OOC with other P5 Schools!! It looks like the ACC is giving teams a scheduling out!!

(06-16-2016 09:57 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(06-16-2016 04:16 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Why is mandatory better than optional?

Does the BIG allow inter Conf OOC games? Do you see Urban Meyer trying to get a BIG OOC? Do you See Bama wanting to play Vandy in a SEC OOC? BIG 12? Pac-12?

No I do not!!! So to answer your question allowing the ACC to schedule an OOC within the conf, makes us look Weak at best!!

Getting your ass whipped by Georgia makes the ACC look weak.

Just playing WF does not make the conference look weak.

(06-16-2016 10:09 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(06-16-2016 09:57 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(06-16-2016 04:16 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Why is mandatory better than optional?

Does the BIG allow inter Conf OOC games? Do you see Urban Meyer trying to get a BIG OOC? Do you See Bama wanting to play Vandy in a SEC OOC? BIG 12? Pac-12?

No I do not!!! So to answer your question allowing the ACC to schedule an OOC within the conf, makes us look Weak at best!!

Getting your ass whipped by Georgia makes the ACC look weak.

Just playing WF does not make the conference look weak.

Just playing Wake Forest in the normal Conf Schedule... Correct does not look weak... But allowing ACC members to schedule ACC teams to fill out the P5 scheduling requirement it does look like an "out".

Lets be honest I am not on the CFP selection team so my votes does not count. But if the ACC does go to this OOC scheduling out...we better not be the only conf. If we are we may find our teams not getting selected for the CFP...

For Example: ACC Team Bypassed:
Cuse
8 Game ACC Schedule, they went 7-1
OOC (1 FCS, 2 G5 (Army, Buffalo) 1 P5 UVA(UVA is 1-7 in ACC play)
3-1 lone loss to UVA

However they did beat GT in the ACC title game to be 11-2

Lost out to a BIG 12 for CFP... team (TCU) that plays 9 Conf Games and Title game that went 11-2 (TCU lost to Oklahoma and OOC game to Arkansas who went 5-3 in SEC play )

PAC -12 had USC 12-1
BIG had Ohio State in at 12-1
SEC had Bama 13-0

SO in this Scenario BIG 12 get selected bcuz of the OOC Schedule P5 game is "better"

The ACC allowing their teams to schedule OOC games with each other looks weak, however if the SEC, BIG, PAC, BIG12 all jump on board... then and only then I would not be opposed!

(06-16-2016 10:09 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Getting your ass whipped by Georgia makes the ACC look weak.

Just playing WF does not make the conference look weak.

So because we (ACC Teams) may loose an OOC games to other conf (SEC/BIG/PAC-12/BIG12), we should not schedule them? Not sure if I am buying into that??

(06-16-2016 09:57 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(06-16-2016 04:16 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Why is mandatory better than optional?

9 game schedule counts for ACC Title game... 8 game schedule with allowing an ACC OOC game, makes it look like ACC team cannot schedule OOC with other P5 Schools!! It looks like the ACC is giving teams a scheduling out!!

If every ACC team wanted 9 games that's what would happen. As it is it's clear that some want 9, others want 8. Allowing an ACC game as OOC is not an out - it's a way to accomodate both 8 and 9 game schedules.

The ONLY other conference with multiple non-conference rivalry games is the SEC - against the ACC. The B1G only has Iowa-Iowa State (Penn State won't agree to play Pitt every year, and Nebraska-Oklahoma haven't played in ages).

(06-17-2016 06:11 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-16-2016 09:57 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(06-16-2016 04:16 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Why is mandatory better than optional?

9 game schedule counts for ACC Title game... 8 game schedule with allowing an ACC OOC game, makes it look like ACC team cannot schedule OOC with other P5 Schools!! It looks like the ACC is giving teams a scheduling out!!

If every ACC team wanted 9 games that's what would happen. As it is it's clear that some want 9, others want 8. Allowing an ACC game as OOC is not an out - it's a way to accomodate both 8 and 9 game schedules.

The ONLY other conference with multiple non-conference rivalry games is the SEC - against the ACC. The B1G only has Iowa-Iowa State (Penn State won't agree to play Pitt every year, and Nebraska-Oklahoma haven't played in ages).

OK so to use your logic...if the ACC wanted to schedule Inter Conf OOC games....It would already be happening...

Instead I see UVA scheduling UCLA...BC scheduling Stanford....I can name more....

Let a ninth game be optional but have it count towards conference tiebreakers.

Or create a season opening ACC Bowl game that pits two ACC teams against each other OOC. This would be the only 9th game. One year it could be NC v WF, the next it could be UL v VT. Perhaps FSU v GT. Teams participate on a voluntary basis & it only airs on the ACCN.

(06-17-2016 07:06 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(06-17-2016 06:11 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-16-2016 09:57 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(06-16-2016 04:16 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Why is mandatory better than optional?

9 game schedule counts for ACC Title game... 8 game schedule with allowing an ACC OOC game, makes it look like ACC team cannot schedule OOC with other P5 Schools!! It looks like the ACC is giving teams a scheduling out!!

If every ACC team wanted 9 games that's what would happen. As it is it's clear that some want 9, others want 8. Allowing an ACC game as OOC is not an out - it's a way to accomodate both 8 and 9 game schedules.

The ONLY other conference with multiple non-conference rivalry games is the SEC - against the ACC. The B1G only has Iowa-Iowa State (Penn State won't agree to play Pitt every year, and Nebraska-Oklahoma haven't played in ages).

OK so to use your logic...if the ACC wanted to schedule Inter Conf OOC games....It would already be happening...

Instead I see UVA scheduling UCLA...BC scheduling Stanford....I can name more....

Basically, you are arguing against yourself. It is already happening. Why is it happening? Because it makes sense for both schools. They both want to.

You seem to be completely missing the point here. If Virginia wants to schedule UCLA, that is their choice. If the divisions were to change, such that they no longer played Va Tech every year, they would no doubt want to schedule them OOC. That's not a sign of weakness, and nobody (except maybe you) would see it as such.