When I think about us leaving CUSA, I immediately think that I also want So Miss to come with us.


It's one of the reasons I would like to drop the cross division games completely in football. Only count divisional play for conference standings.

This would allow us to schedule So Miss EVERY year, and neither one of us would be effected by a loss. We might even get a rematch in the CUSA championship game.

(06-14-2016 11:12 PM)banker Wrote:  If anyone knows empty wins, it would be the fan of a school that had the 90th ranked schedule last year. You had the easiest schedule in the AAC last year and only played one top 30 team. Appy played a top 10 team and Ga Southern played 2 top 30 teams.

Oh, and Appy beat ODU, a CUSA middling team, 49-0 last year, so there's that.

only played 1 top 30 team? houston beat 4 top 25 teams at the time of the game, 5 finished in the top 25 or had top 25 votes (temple, memphis, navy, louisville and fsu)

and ill hit you with some common sense, the #1 team in a conference will always play the easiest schedule because they don't play themselves

guess what, we'd have played 2 top 10 (navy & fsu) /3 more top 25 teams if we lost to them (temple, memphis, louisville).....
clemson stops being a top 10 team if app beats them, and none of gaso's 3 top 30 games would be top 30 if gaso beat them

your entire logic is based around punishing Houston for winning our tough games and proping those teams for losing

ps when i say middling i mean below your good teams..i don't mean that they are the same quality as the 5-7 c-usa teams ..if you recall i also said c-usa has empty wins aswell...wins that don't get you credibility..
which was the reasoning for the scheduling alliance it pins perceived good teams together and gives your teams a legitimate chance at credibility

Have you ever noticed that the fans that want to kick other teams out are often from schools that never get invited to go to another conference? Maybe they should look in the mirror.

pesik, the numbers I used are according to Sagarin. You played one team in the Sagarin top 30. Everything else you typed is opinion.

Houston had a good team last year and will likely be good this year, but to type a multi-paragraph post trying to make it sound like you played a SEC-west type schedule only embarrasses you.

-looks at list of schools-

-takes long drink-

(06-15-2016 08:59 AM)banker Wrote:  pesik, the numbers I used are according to Sagarin. You played one team in the Sagarin top 30. Everything else you typed is opinion.

Houston had a good team last year and will likely be good this year, but to type a multi-paragraph post trying to make it sound like you played a SEC-west type schedule only embarrasses you.

sagarin is an opinion..its all subjective .. he created a stat based system based on what he values..if computers were absolute every computer would have the same results but not a single one does

and in college football today the ap top25 and the coaches poll have 10000x more value than sagarin
and please state where i said we played an SEC west schedule?
your insinuation that app stat and Gaso played a harder and houston had empty wins is what is embarrassing as anyone with common football knowledge would tell you otherwise.. which is what i rebutted

you put out a lot of crazy logic...if someone said a Missouri valley team (in the fcs) plays a harder schedule than marshall, and you rebutted it. by your definition you defending marhsall schedule means marshall has a sec west schedule..
ps according to Sagarin, Marshalls schedule rank is 134 and plays a worse schedule than numerous MVC teams some who don't even play a single fbs team. since sagarin is your end all be all..sagarin thinks the MVC is comfortably better than c-usa and has been for 3 years
in case you're curious i don't think an fcs conference is better than c-usa but im not sagarin what do i know

(06-14-2016 08:42 PM)banker Wrote:  If the goal is to have the best football conference we can, let's look at how things ended up last year in the Sagarin rankings.

AAC west - 67.31
AAC east - 66.38
MW mountain - 64.73
MAC west - 63.04
MW west - 58.76
CUSA east - 57.06
MAC east - 56.62
Belt - 55.04
CUSA west - 53.81

If CUSA were to adopt this lineup:

East
WKU
Middle
Marshall
Appy
Ga Southern

West
La Tech
USM
Rice
Arkansas St
UAB

The Sagarin ratings look like this (assume UAB at a conservative rating of 60, which would put them a little over 100 in the rankings):

CUSA east - 71.01
AAC west - 67.31
AAC east - 66.38
MW mountain - 64.73
CUSA west - 63.22

Bonus is that average conference attendance would jump to over 22,000 with Middle at 17,210 being the low. I believe attendance would increase for every one with this line up.

I would be more than open to revisit adding ODU and Charlotte back when they get more seasoned and can get into the Sagarin top 100 in rankings. You could then shift WKU and Middle to the west and it would still work.

Super League won't work without acknowledging that some current CUSA members might end up in FCS, because there is no guarantee the SBC In turn adds those teams.

(06-14-2016 10:16 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-14-2016 09:53 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  Nope. Half the teams in this conference contribute little to nothing. Some of us want better.

How many years did USM go without winning a game? UAB ******* dropped football for a couple of years and weren't kicked out of the league. Eager Eagle just proposed a league nobody here would even qualify for. This ***** getting ridiculous. I'm pretty sure you'd need at least 11 members to vote on membership changes. So get comfy boys.

Eager Eagle didnt propose anything. I simply related that there is low undercurrent discussions as to what type or structural changes that could result in a highly respected group of schools, what levels should they reach, that could position themselves to challenge the biggies for a seat at the table. It wouldnt help immediately but the outsiders now are going to remain outsiders forever unless they cut loose from the wannabees. Teams drawing flies with little league facilities will NEVER help a league gain respect. Some spineless monitor deleted or closed the thread therefore making it impossible for everyone to see the format.

(06-15-2016 08:59 AM)banker Wrote:  pesik, the numbers I used are according to Sagarin. You played one team in the Sagarin top 30. Everything else you typed is opinion.

Houston had a good team last year and will likely be good this year, but to type a multi-paragraph post trying to make it sound like you played a SEC-west type schedule only embarrasses you.

Don't wait waste your time he doesn't understand, (even though he claims to be some analytical genius), financials (earnings calls),.....

He makes false claims then argues to the cows come home, with ZERO facts to back up what he says. I actually think he is just trolling, because most of what he says is complete nonsense

(06-14-2016 10:51 PM)pesik Wrote:  this is a fools gold conference that will cost millions just to get you nowhere..
what i accuse c-usa teams of is dramatically more an issue in the sunbelt= empty wins...someone has to win and someone has to lose...a slightly mediocre team will look great playing all bad teams .. if we are honest app state would have been a middling c-usa/mac team..and wouldn't have had that high a sagarins rating playing in c-usa

realignment only makes sense if you are making a conference of teams who can beat p5/major OOC and at the current moment thats no one in either league (arguably except Marshall but their weak ooc schedules doesnt give them a chance to prove it)

the result of this is millions in exit fees but the standings/ratings of this conference will look identical to c-usa now (someone has to win someone has to lose)
and the left-over conference will have some mediocre team rise to looking great because someone has to win someone has to lose
nothing will have changed

if you are looking for a legitimate suggestion that could really boost your teams/conference. a Super scheduling alliance between c-usa, sunbelt and a new 10 team fbs conference in the west from the elite fcs west teams (like ndst , sam houston etc..)..i explained it in detail in the future of c-usa thread
its the results you think you are getting from your plan but with real life plausibility

a basketball/football scheduling alliance, where you play as separate conferences for the first 2/3rds of the season, the last 1/3rd all the good teams from each conference by a certain point play each other. in football maybe a mega conference tournament championship or round robin..and in basketball get all the great rpi teams together to play each other to increase their chances of an atlarge (but still separate conference tournaments)

its a great plan because app state/GSU still "look great" because of the empty wins, same for c-usa and the west conference..so those end of the year games look like its a battle of heavy weights to the human eyes but especially in the computers eyes ..and something like a mega conference champion 1 champion for 3 conferences and a round robin of great basketball rpi teams will definitely draw tv interest/money..and your good teams get improved sos, guaranteed good rpi games and credibility
thinking outside the box :-)

Total nonsense, I have already made a side by side comparison of the 2014 teams played OOC by both the AAC and CUSA. Stop trolling and make better use of your time

(06-15-2016 11:53 AM)eager eagle Wrote:  

(06-14-2016 10:16 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-14-2016 09:53 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  Nope. Half the teams in this conference contribute little to nothing. Some of us want better.

How many years did USM go without winning a game? UAB ******* dropped football for a couple of years and weren't kicked out of the league. Eager Eagle just proposed a league nobody here would even qualify for. This ***** getting ridiculous. I'm pretty sure you'd need at least 11 members to vote on membership changes. So get comfy boys.

Eager Eagle didnt propose anything. I simply related that there is low undercurrent discussions as to what type or structural changes that could result in a highly respected group of schools, what levels should they reach, that could position themselves to challenge the biggies for a seat at the table. It wouldnt help immediately but the outsiders now are going to remain outsiders forever unless they cut loose from the wannabees. Teams drawing flies with little league facilities will NEVER help a league gain respect. Some spineless monitor deleted or closed the thread therefore making it impossible for everyone to see the format.

Well, either way none of us would currently qualify.

edit: here's the idea

http://csnbbs.com/thread-782088.html

(06-15-2016 12:24 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Total nonsense, I have already made a side by side comparison of the 2014 teams played OOC by both the AAC and CUSA. Stop trolling and make better use of your time

and i though posted how 125 computers disagreed with your statement..i can find that link again for you if youd like

125 different computers agreed with me...every human poll agrees with me...your tv deal agrees with me

instead of defending what is an outright opinion of everyone outside c-usa..look at the positives of my plan.. you put all the top teams from the sunbelt and c-usa together, nothing will change, some wins someone losses...

let the top team in c-usa, sunbelt and a western conference stay in their respective conferences win games and play each other at the end of the year. it will be a battle of heavyweights in the eyes of the media

imagine it for last year la tech, marshall, wku and usm playing in an end of the year multi-conference tournament championship or round robinn versus ga southern, app stat, ar skt, ND state, etc. if wku came out of that as the champion, they are easily a top 20 team, instead of not ranked in the coaches poll at 12-2

(06-15-2016 12:26 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 12:24 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Total nonsense, I have already made a side by side comparison of the 2014 teams played OOC by both the AAC and CUSA. Stop trolling and make better use of your time

and i though posted how 125 computers disagreed with your statement..i can find that link again for you if youd like

125 different computers agreed with me...every human poll agrees with me...your tv deal agrees with me

instead of defending what is an outright opinion of everyone outside c-usa..look at the positives of my plan.. you put all the top teams from the sunbelt and c-usa together, nothing will change, some wins someone losses...

let the top team in c-usa, sunbelt and a western conference stay in their respective conferences win games and play each other at the end of the year. it will be a battle of heavyweights in the eyes of the media

imagine it for last year la tech, marshall, wku and usm playing in an end of the year multi-conference tournament championship or round robinn versus ga southern, app stat, ar skt, ND state, etc. if wku came out of that as the champion, they are easily a top 20 team, instead of not ranked in the coaches poll at 12-2

Imagine? No need for round robin tourney Tech dominated the undefeated Sunbelt Champs in NO bowl.

The only reason you be advocating this is because the AAC performs so horribly in bowl games including Marshall and WKU beating 2 AAC teams.

(06-15-2016 12:25 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 11:53 AM)eager eagle Wrote:  

(06-14-2016 10:16 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-14-2016 09:53 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  Nope. Half the teams in this conference contribute little to nothing. Some of us want better.

How many years did USM go without winning a game? UAB ******* dropped football for a couple of years and weren't kicked out of the league. Eager Eagle just proposed a league nobody here would even qualify for. This ***** getting ridiculous. I'm pretty sure you'd need at least 11 members to vote on membership changes. So get comfy boys.

Eager Eagle didnt propose anything. I simply related that there is low undercurrent discussions as to what type or structural changes that could result in a highly respected group of schools, what levels should they reach, that could position themselves to challenge the biggies for a seat at the table. It wouldnt help immediately but the outsiders now are going to remain outsiders forever unless they cut loose from the wannabees. Teams drawing flies with little league facilities will NEVER help a league gain respect. Some spineless monitor deleted or closed the thread therefore making it impossible for everyone to see the format.

Well, either way none of us would currently qualify.

edit: here's the idea

http://csnbbs.com/thread-782088.html

Did you notice the start up date of 2020 which gives EVERY school a FOUR year window. It only takes eight to get it going and I fully believe that there are enough out there who, with just a little more effort, can make it work. Leave the door open for additions as they qualify later on for up to as many as l4 teams. Right now I think USM, Marshall, and a couple of others are real close. UL Lafayette and Ark State are close, South Alabama can make the hop, its a no brainer. Who knows, some of those who left might find it appealing too.

(06-15-2016 01:05 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 12:26 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 12:24 PM)Dawgxas Wrote:  Total nonsense, I have already made a side by side comparison of the 2014 teams played OOC by both the AAC and CUSA. Stop trolling and make better use of your time

and i though posted how 125 computers disagreed with your statement..i can find that link again for you if youd like

125 different computers agreed with me...every human poll agrees with me...your tv deal agrees with me

instead of defending what is an outright opinion of everyone outside c-usa..look at the positives of my plan.. you put all the top teams from the sunbelt and c-usa together, nothing will change, some wins someone losses...

let the top team in c-usa, sunbelt and a western conference stay in their respective conferences win games and play each other at the end of the year. it will be a battle of heavyweights in the eyes of the media

imagine it for last year la tech, marshall, wku and usm playing in an end of the year multi-conference tournament championship or round robinn versus ga southern, app stat, ar skt, ND state, etc. if wku came out of that as the champion, they are easily a top 20 team, instead of not ranked in the coaches poll at 12-2

Imagine? No need for round robin tourney Tech dominated the undefeated Sunbelt Champs in NO bowl.

The only reason you be advocating this is because the AAC performs so horribly in bowl games including Marshall and WKU beating 2 AAC teams.

not sure what this has to do with the AAC..not sure how it would benefit the AAC, if anything it put the winner of the scheduling alliance in a better spot for the access

and you're proving my point with the "dominated the undefeated Sunbelt Champs in NO bowl"
la tech/ wku could have dominated more perceived good teams in the season and had a way better chance at impressing pollster and the committee in the season ..it would have also gotten more media coverage for branding your teams

(06-15-2016 07:31 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 05:51 AM)GoBigGold Wrote:  

(06-14-2016 10:26 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(06-14-2016 09:53 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  Nope. Half the teams in this conference contribute little to nothing. Some of us want better.

We all want better. We just ran off our long time AD because we want better. In North Texas' first season in C-USA, Southern Miss went 1-11. I don't remember anyone calling for a split so we could drop the dead weight. In fact, Southern Miss has a record of 13-25 since the new line up started, while North Texas is 14-23 in C-USA. When realignment hit, we all knew there would be some growing pains.

Now, I do believe our presidents should vote to place a certain standard of support for their athletic programs. If certain universities are not willing to invest in their programs at an acceptable level, then those could be shown the door. I think that would be a much better way of dealing with our issues.

Only the second time we've had back to back losing seasons.

The first time we had 3 consecutive losing seasons in our 100 plus year history.

Coming off those three years, we led the conference in attendance and played for the Championship.

Thanks for showing your ignorance newbie.

I am well aware of USM's history in football. I was talking about their play since the new C-USA line up started, and you know that. Let's see how your team does this season before we place y'all in the title game, newbie.

Good grief.

You conveniently picked the years that would make your point, while leaving out our contributions to the conference. Good spin...even if weak and lame

CUSA didn't begin four years ago. We've been ONE of the bell cows since it began.

I haven't put us in the title game, but if you want to talk recent history...making it this year would mean we've been there 3 of the past six years.

Think we're are pulling our weight newbie.

(06-14-2016 10:16 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-14-2016 09:53 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  Nope. Half the teams in this conference contribute little to nothing. Some of us want better.

How many years did USM go without winning a game? UAB ******* dropped football for a couple of years and weren't kicked out of the league. Eager Eagle just proposed a league nobody here would even qualify for. This ***** getting ridiculous. I'm pretty sure you'd need at least 11 members to vote on membership changes. So get comfy boys.

They went 1 year without winning a game (E LOSS Johnson) after coming off a 12-2 championship season and #19 BCS ranking. The first win ending the losing streak btw was a 62-27 thumping of UAB in front of 6,000 fans in Birmingham.

(06-15-2016 02:33 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 12:25 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 11:53 AM)eager eagle Wrote:  

(06-14-2016 10:16 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-14-2016 09:53 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  Nope. Half the teams in this conference contribute little to nothing. Some of us want better.

How many years did USM go without winning a game? UAB ******* dropped football for a couple of years and weren't kicked out of the league. Eager Eagle just proposed a league nobody here would even qualify for. This ***** getting ridiculous. I'm pretty sure you'd need at least 11 members to vote on membership changes. So get comfy boys.

Eager Eagle didnt propose anything. I simply related that there is low undercurrent discussions as to what type or structural changes that could result in a highly respected group of schools, what levels should they reach, that could position themselves to challenge the biggies for a seat at the table. It wouldnt help immediately but the outsiders now are going to remain outsiders forever unless they cut loose from the wannabees. Teams drawing flies with little league facilities will NEVER help a league gain respect. Some spineless monitor deleted or closed the thread therefore making it impossible for everyone to see the format.

Well, either way none of us would currently qualify.

edit: here's the idea

http://csnbbs.com/thread-782088.html

Did you notice the start up date of 2020 which gives EVERY school a FOUR year window. It only takes eight to get it going and I fully believe that there are enough out there who, with just a little more effort, can make it work. Leave the door open for additions as they qualify later on for up to as many as l4 teams. Right now I think USM, Marshall, and a couple of others are real close. UL Lafayette and Ark State are close, South Alabama can make the hop, its a no brainer. Who knows, some of those who left might find it appealing too.

Until you have a couple bad years and attendance drops and you get booted. Doesn't seem very stable to me.

(06-16-2016 11:19 AM)southernbirds67 Wrote:  

(06-14-2016 10:16 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-14-2016 09:53 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  Nope. Half the teams in this conference contribute little to nothing. Some of us want better.

How many years did USM go without winning a game? UAB ******* dropped football for a couple of years and weren't kicked out of the league. Eager Eagle just proposed a league nobody here would even qualify for. This ***** getting ridiculous. I'm pretty sure you'd need at least 11 members to vote on membership changes. So get comfy boys.

They went 1 year without winning a game (E LOSS Johnson) after coming off a 12-2 championship season and #19 BCS ranking. The first win ending the losing streak btw was a 62-27 thumping of UAB in front of 6,000 fans in Birmingham.

My bad, I was remembering 2 winless seasons. 1 winless season, 1 one win season and one three win season before getting back on top last year. Is that correct?

(06-16-2016 11:32 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-16-2016 11:19 AM)southernbirds67 Wrote:  

(06-14-2016 10:16 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-14-2016 09:53 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  Nope. Half the teams in this conference contribute little to nothing. Some of us want better.

How many years did USM go without winning a game? UAB ******* dropped football for a couple of years and weren't kicked out of the league. Eager Eagle just proposed a league nobody here would even qualify for. This ***** getting ridiculous. I'm pretty sure you'd need at least 11 members to vote on membership changes. So get comfy boys.

They went 1 year without winning a game (E LOSS Johnson) after coming off a 12-2 championship season and #19 BCS ranking. The first win ending the losing streak btw was a 62-27 thumping of UAB in front of 6,000 fans in Birmingham.

My bad, I was remembering 2 winless seasons. 1 winless season, 1 one win season and one three win season before getting back on top last year. Is that correct?

That is correct. Funny how the wrong hire of a head coach can destroy 18 consecutive winning seasons so quickly. He got fired before the season was up and it took Monken 2 years to turn it around.