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(06-13-2016 08:36 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(06-13-2016 08:18 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  We've got ourselves a nice little nucleus of football programs. GS and App State make two of the biggest splashes of any move-uppers ever, Arkansas State is Arkansas State, Troy should be back on its feet soon, Mark Hudspeth and UL have the Cajun football program clearly on track, Texas State's problems are 100% coaching (IMO), and there's nowhere for Georgia State to go but up.

We finished first in football post-season profits and we'll be the smallest G5 conference when it appears there won't be any advantage in large conferences for G5 leagues.

We've had back-to-back years with NCAA basketball tournament wins (could it be UTA's turn this next season?)

And of course, Coastal is coming aboard with a College World Series appearance and a football program that's been improving over the last decade.

No major complaints from me about the way things seem to be headed. 04-cheers

So if GSU can go no where but up then they're guaranteed at least 6-6 every year? Not bad at all.

I wish TXST's problems were only coaching, but now we've lost so many players I feel like we're transitioning from FCS all over again. We'll be lucky to win more than one game.


No matter. TXST may need some time to right the ship but right the ship they will. A school we're all proud to be associated with. Getter done!
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(06-14-2016 05:09 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  You guys are celebrating as if you've won something. You haven't. CUSA's getting a worse TV contract is a preview of what all G5 conferences can expect in the future. Anybody that thinks that this will be unique to CUSA is naive. Everybody in the G5 loses in this deal. The only people with anything to celebrate are the P5 conferences.

It reminds me of the guy making $40,000 a year that votes for a democrat because of the democrat's promise to raise taxes on the so called "rich". He votes for the democrat even knowing that the democrat's plan will also raise taxes on those that make $40,000 a year as well. As long as the democrat promises to stick it to the so called "rich", the $40,000 a year guy is more than happy to vote for him. Even though he also must now pay more, somehow seeing the "rich" have their taxes raised makes the $40,000 a year guy happy. As we now watch this very kind of scenario play out among G5 conferences, the stupid fail to see that what is happening is very negative for all of us. Instead, they see reason to celebrate.

Your thought that this could be bad for all G5s has some merit. We'll find out a lot more once we get get a chance to negotiate.

Unfortunately, you also worked really hard in that post to demonstrate that your perspective on the world is pretty limited. I don't think many folks are going to pay attention to your point.
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(06-14-2016 06:54 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(06-14-2016 05:09 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  You guys are celebrating as if you've won something. You haven't. CUSA's getting a worse TV contract is a preview of what all G5 conferences can expect in the future. Anybody that thinks that this will be unique to CUSA is naive. Everybody in the G5 loses in this deal. The only people with anything to celebrate are the P5 conferences.

your weird political rant

It's already been said probably three times in every thread about this, but the Sun Belt deal was negotiated when the likes of North Texas, FIU, FAU, MTSU, etc were all part of the SBC. CUSA's previous deal was negotiated when it had much higher caliber teams that actually meant something. When those teams left and these SunBelt teams along with your start up and call up "projects" took their spots, your tv deal tanked when it got renegotiated. The SunBelt did opposite and added quality teams while trimming the fat. When our tv deal is renegotiated it will at least be the exact same as CUSA's, aka a $100,000 pocket change increase, or we could see more increase if our ratings and attendance and national standings continue to rise in the mean time like they have been.

It's time to take off the CUSA-colored spectacles. By raiding the SunBelt to fill your gaps over the past years, you have become the new SunBelt. We, however, have no where to go but up.

I think this is true. No G5 conference in the history of College Football (that I'm aware of) has been decimated quality wise the way CUSA has and lived to talk about it.

That's not to say that they don't still have some very good programs. WKU, MARSHALL, SOUTHERN MISS, MTSU.. I'd love to have them.

The question is: Is this decline in TV money indicative of all future G5 contracts OR simply a result of the loss of the programs CUSA had? There is plenty of evidence that the latter is more likely.

I think we would all be worried if we had seen that decline with the same former CUSA membership.

Is tv money drying up due to cord cutters or cord nevers? If that's true, it will also effect the P5. But it could happen to us all. I don't think that's what we are seeing here.

I think the value of CUSA has simply decreased and their new tv deal reflects that.

By contrast, the Sun Belt is better by smart additions and a few subtractions. I think and hope that or new tv deal will reflect that.

We shall see.
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At this point your head has to be in the sand to not recognize the long term potential of the SB with the current make up. Nice group consisting of established U's, rising state U's, quality directional U's, and a selective couple in historically neglected state systems that are now recogizing it and investing in those making a name for themselves despite it.
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(06-14-2016 08:25 AM)Oldyeller Wrote:  At this point your head has to be in the sand to not recognize the long term potential of the SB with the current make up. Nice group consisting of established U's, rising state U's, quality directional U's, and a selective couple in historically neglected state systems that are now recogizing it and investing in those making a name for themselves despite it.

The potential is there as long as demand for all FBS football goes up. If the CUSA deal is a market correction that shows the demand is now increasing for P5 but not G5, the question begs to be asked, what if this is as good as it gets G5 wise?
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(06-14-2016 05:09 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  You guys are celebrating as if you've won something. You haven't. CUSA's getting a worse TV contract is a preview of what all G5 conferences can expect in the future. Anybody that thinks that this will be unique to CUSA is naive. Everybody in the G5 loses in this deal. The only people with anything to celebrate are the P5 conferences.

I thought this immediately after seeing whoever posted the news acting like this was the greatest thing to ever happen to the Sun Belt. I mean I hope the whole CUSA has lost alot so their contract suffered and the SBC has improved so our contract will improve theory is right, but I'm pretty sure if the TVs can get away with paying CUSA this little they'll keep us right where we're at because honestly we're just happy to be on TV even if the money isn't much.
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So CUSA loses ECU, Memphis, UCF, Houston, and Tulsa and replaces them with a lot of large media market teams that have no fan base, and people think CUSA is a good measuring stick even though the MAC just locked in a deal where their payouts go up that lasts more than 10 years?

Get real. We may get pocket change in our next TV contract, but it'll be more pocket change than what we get right now.
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(06-14-2016 08:47 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(06-14-2016 05:09 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  You guys are celebrating as if you've won something. You haven't. CUSA's getting a worse TV contract is a preview of what all G5 conferences can expect in the future. Anybody that thinks that this will be unique to CUSA is naive. Everybody in the G5 loses in this deal. The only people with anything to celebrate are the P5 conferences.

I thought this immediately after seeing whoever posted the news acting like this was the greatest thing to ever happen to the Sun Belt. I mean I hope the whole CUSA has lost alot so their contract suffered and the SBC has improved so our contract will improve theory is right, but I'm pretty sure if the TVs can get away with paying CUSA this little they'll keep us right where we're at because honestly we're just happy to be on TV even if the money isn't much.

We haven't tried to build our conference on the tv money bubble. We haven't hitched our future to the tv money bubble. We're not banking and betting on the tv money bubble.

TV money is gravy. We've been building our budgets the old fashioned way.

If our tv deal stays the same...its not going to be some existential crisis.
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The next step for this conference is winning games OOC. Averaging a .500 record as a conference vs OOC play is a tough task for any sub P5 conference.
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(06-14-2016 09:10 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  The next step for this conference is winning games OOC. Averaging a .500 record as a conference vs OOC play is a tough task for any sub P5 conference.

7 game conference schedule would give us more opportunity for that.
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(06-14-2016 09:25 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  
(06-14-2016 09:10 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  The next step for this conference is winning games OOC. Averaging a .500 record as a conference vs OOC play is a tough task for any sub P5 conference.

7 game conference schedule would give us more opportunity for that.

Yep. (Of course, the question becomes: how do we know we're not just gonna tack on an extra money game?)
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(06-14-2016 09:03 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  So CUSA loses ECU, Memphis, UCF, Houston, and Tulsa and replaces them with a lot of large media market teams that have no fan base, and people think CUSA is a good measuring stick even though the MAC just locked in a deal where their payouts go up that lasts more than 10 years?

Get real. We may get pocket change in our next TV contract, but it'll be more pocket change than what we get right now.

College athletics is a game of identity. Without exceptional branding it's difficult to get the locals on board with City U and more difficult to get the wider media markets on board. Not impossible but the networks are looking for easier quicker returns on investment. Looking through the Sun Belt and comparing to CUSA the name recognition or marketing advantage has more potential in the SB with greater reach. Media sees the G5 as little or nothing now but with exposure and effective branding the future is worth investing in. Compare the two. Significant branding advantage for the SB based on names, history, and much more definable geographical footprint. It's like a song. All the parts have to fit together perfectly to become a top 20 hit. The pieces are in place for the SB.
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CUSA panicked and took a bunch of teams in large cities because they thought it would soften the blow of losing their top teams. The Sun Belt didn't have any TV revenue to worry about protecting so they added the best schools available. Thankfully CUSA took several under performing schools from the Belt (also took a good one or two) which has now made the Sun Belt a better league.
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(06-14-2016 08:32 AM)StanMolsonMan Wrote:  
(06-14-2016 08:25 AM)Oldyeller Wrote:  At this point your head has to be in the sand to not recognize the long term potential of the SB with the current make up. Nice group consisting of established U's, rising state U's, quality directional U's, and a selective couple in historically neglected state systems that are now recogizing it and investing in those making a name for themselves despite it.

The potential is there as long as demand for all FBS football goes up. If the CUSA deal is a market correction that shows the demand is now increasing for P5 but not G5, the question begs to be asked, what if this is as good as it gets G5 wise?

That's a fair question. But I think they need us. I think they know that. Without us, half of them won't make a bowl game and losing records will kill booster support and attendance/ticket sales.

It's in their own best interest that we survive. Although they don't want us to thrive.

It's a balance beam they are walking.
It should be obvious that the way to increase interest in all of college football is to expand the playoffs and give g5s an actual shot at a national championship. This makes their games against us more appealing. It raises tv views for g5/g5 games because they might see one of those teams in they playoff and maybe against their p5 teams.

The slippery slope (for them) is that it might give rise to several g5 programs. Do they risk that? Do they fear that? IF not, what is the risk to opening they playoffs up? I mean, if they are that superior, all the g5 will be gone within the first two weeks.

I think this is what is best for our sport. For all conferences, long term. IF we fade away, the model of stand alone p5s, will unbuild itself by destroying support of the losing programs. That would be the end of College Football as a national pastime.

Letting the money dry up that we need to fuel our G5 programs might would be the beginning of that end.
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(06-14-2016 09:28 AM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  
(06-14-2016 09:25 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  
(06-14-2016 09:10 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  The next step for this conference is winning games OOC. Averaging a .500 record as a conference vs OOC play is a tough task for any sub P5 conference.

7 game conference schedule would give us more opportunity for that.

Yep. (Of course, the question becomes: how do we know we're not just gonna tack on an extra money game?)

Another fair question.

I think that as a league, we could cap it to 2 per year. This seems to me to be a natural cap. Meaning that it should cap itself. Because playing three really puts your winning record at risk which leads to drops of donations, ticket sales and attendances.
None of us can afford that.
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(06-14-2016 09:29 AM)Oldyeller Wrote:  
(06-14-2016 09:03 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  So CUSA loses ECU, Memphis, UCF, Houston, and Tulsa and replaces them with a lot of large media market teams that have no fan base, and people think CUSA is a good measuring stick even though the MAC just locked in a deal where their payouts go up that lasts more than 10 years?

Get real. We may get pocket change in our next TV contract, but it'll be more pocket change than what we get right now.

College athletics is a game of identity. Without exceptional branding it's difficult to get the locals on board with City U and more difficult to get the wider media markets on board. Not impossible but the networks are looking for easier quicker returns on investment. Looking through the Sun Belt and comparing to CUSA the name recognition or marketing advantage has more potential in the SB with greater reach. Media sees the G5 as little or nothing now but with exposure and effective branding the future is worth investing in. Compare the two. Significant branding advantage for the SB based on names, history, and much more definable geographical footprint. It's like a song. All the parts have to fit together perfectly to become a top 20 hit. The pieces are in place for the SB.

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I just made many of these same points over on our boards. I'm a convert. I think the SBC is every bit as good as CUSA and has the momentum. Should any one of our teams win their "body bag" (or 2, that's the big hurdle), their 2 G5's and run the table in the SBC, we will have just as good a chance to make a New Year's Day bowl than anyone else in the G5. We might as well do it from here than from the AAC, right?
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(06-14-2016 10:13 AM)ChooChoo Wrote:  I just made many of these same points over on our boards. I'm a convert. I think the SBC is every bit as good as CUSA and has the momentum. Should any one of our teams win their "body bag" (or 2, that's the big hurdle), their 2 G5's and run the table in the SBC, we will have just as good a chance to make a New Year's Day bowl than anyone else in the G5. We might as well do it from here than from the AAC, right?

Someone on that thread just logically claimed that FIU is a program with a bigger national perception and history than ULL. If people are going to be that stupid...than that is a hard battle to make.
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(06-14-2016 10:13 AM)ChooChoo Wrote:  I just made many of these same points over on our boards. I'm a convert. I think the SBC is every bit as good as CUSA and has the momentum. Should any one of our teams win their "body bag" (or 2, that's the big hurdle), their 2 G5's and run the table in the SBC, we will have just as good a chance to make a New Year's Day bowl than anyone else in the G5. We might as well do it from here than from the AAC, right?

Let's say the AAC stays how it is do you see Southern Miss wanting to move to the SBC for money/geographical fit?
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(06-14-2016 07:46 AM)Oldyeller Wrote:  
(06-13-2016 08:36 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(06-13-2016 08:18 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  We've got ourselves a nice little nucleus of football programs. GS and App State make two of the biggest splashes of any move-uppers ever, Arkansas State is Arkansas State, Troy should be back on its feet soon, Mark Hudspeth and UL have the Cajun football program clearly on track, Texas State's problems are 100% coaching (IMO), and there's nowhere for Georgia State to go but up.

We finished first in football post-season profits and we'll be the smallest G5 conference when it appears there won't be any advantage in large conferences for G5 leagues.

We've had back-to-back years with NCAA basketball tournament wins (could it be UTA's turn this next season?)

And of course, Coastal is coming aboard with a College World Series appearance and a football program that's been improving over the last decade.

No major complaints from me about the way things seem to be headed. 04-cheers

So if GSU can go no where but up then they're guaranteed at least 6-6 every year? Not bad at all.

I wish TXST's problems were only coaching, but now we've lost so many players I feel like we're transitioning from FCS all over again. We'll be lucky to win more than one game.


No matter. TXST may need some time to right the ship but right the ship they will. A school we're all proud to be associated with. Getter done!

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