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Chuck Landon: The MAC has moved ahead of C-USA in virtually every aspect
Maybe Marshall should have stayed in the MAC, he says.

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RE: Chuck Landon: The MAC has moved ahead of C-USA in virtually every aspect
The exit fee for Marshall has gone down with the reduced contract value.

Should the MAC approach Marshall and Old Dominion about joining the league? For Marshall the benefit is travel. ODU has its eyes on the AAC but there may not be an opening for a few years.

Both are pretty good draws, regularly 20k+. They'll look good on TV.

Then again its 2 more mouths to feed which could do nothing more than reduce per school payouts.
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RE: Chuck Landon: The MAC has moved ahead of C-USA in virtually every aspect
Wasn't Landon one of the guys beating the drum to get out of the MAC last time?
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RE: Chuck Landon: The MAC has moved ahead of C-USA in virtually every aspect
(06-13-2016 12:51 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The exit fee for Marshall has gone down with the reduced contract value.

Should the MAC approach Marshall and Old Dominion about joining the league? For Marshall the benefit is travel. ODU has its eyes on the AAC but there may not be an opening for a few years.

Both are pretty good draws, regularly 20k+. They'll look good on TV.

Then again its 2 more mouths to feed which could do nothing more than reduce per school payouts.

Rather have Marshall and WKU. Both schools travel well.
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RE: Chuck Landon: The MAC has moved ahead of C-USA in virtually every aspect
(06-13-2016 07:10 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(06-13-2016 12:51 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The exit fee for Marshall has gone down with the reduced contract value.

Should the MAC approach Marshall and Old Dominion about joining the league? For Marshall the benefit is travel. ODU has its eyes on the AAC but there may not be an opening for a few years.

Both are pretty good draws, regularly 20k+. They'll look good on TV.

Then again its 2 more mouths to feed which could do nothing more than reduce per school payouts.

Rather have Marshall and WKU. Both schools travel well.

Agreed. If you are going to expand, add Marshall and WKU. Marshall to East. WKU to West.
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RE: Chuck Landon: The MAC has moved ahead of C-USA in virtually every aspect
(06-13-2016 01:22 AM)CMichFan Wrote:  Wasn't Landon one of the guys beating the drum to get out of the MAC last time?

Yes, I believe he was.

It would be fun to see Marshall come home. The unknown here is whether or not ESPN would offer any additional money for bringing in a school of Marshall's caliber, or if they would see the addition of two more schools as an excuse to cut costs. While Marshall would seem to only increase the #MACtion, ESPN has been cutting costs. I have no idea how it would all play out.
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RE: Chuck Landon: The MAC has moved ahead of C-USA in virtually every aspect
The Herd would be fun, as it was back then. But I can't see Marshall and the MAC doing a 3rd dance. All the names have changed, sure, but I'm sure some of the old chilly relations linger. Besides, even with a much watered down CUSA version compared to 2004, the program and its fans have more of an affinity to playing southern tier schools.
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RE: Chuck Landon: The MAC has moved ahead of C-USA in virtually every aspect
(06-13-2016 01:22 AM)CMichFan Wrote:  Wasn't Landon one of the guys beating the drum to get out of the MAC last time?

I believe so, but this time they have nowhere to go but Independence.
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RE: Chuck Landon: The MAC has moved ahead of C-USA in virtually every aspect
Isn't Landon generally regarded as a old crank well past his years who only continues to have a voice out of the charity of a newspaper and a community to embarrassed to tell him to stop?

(see Sid Hartman up here in Minneapolis. He started talking and writing about sports professionally at the end of................. World War II. And still has a major radio show and a column in the Strib up here.)
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Chuck Landon: The MAC has moved ahead of C-USA in virtually every aspect
Absolutely not.


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RE: Chuck Landon: The MAC has moved ahead of C-USA in virtually every aspect
(06-13-2016 08:51 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Isn't Landon generally regarded as a old crank well past his years who only continues to have a voice out of the charity of a newspaper and a community to embarrassed to tell him to stop?

(see Sid Hartman up here in Minneapolis. He started talking and writing about sports professionally at the end of................. World War II. And still has a major radio show and a column in the Strib up here.)

I suspect you are thinking of Ernie Salvatore who must have been pushing 90 when died a few years back. He refused to let go of the sports writing thing and I guess that his audience assumed that his body of work over the decades had earned him the right to hang on as long as he wanted. Of course Salvatore and Landon were/are much more than sports writers, they were/are vociferous homer Marshall fans and some of their stories back when Marshall was in the MAC were pretty hard to stomach.
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RE: Chuck Landon: The MAC has moved ahead of C-USA in virtually every aspect
I'd be open to Marshall if WKU came along, but it's not without its potential downsides. On one hand, we get two solid football programs (hence taking away two from C-USA), a historically good basketball team in the Hilltoppers, get to move BG to the West. On the other, there's iffy history to consider with the Herd, both teams would bolt if the AAC came calling, and it would split up our TV money two more ways without adding schools that would instantly boost the MAC's value. I'm willing to consider it, but we need to tread very lightly if we want to go down the Marshall path again.
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RE: Chuck Landon: The MAC has moved ahead of C-USA in virtually every aspect
(06-13-2016 09:16 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  On one hand, we get ... to move BG to the West.

From the perspective of Bowling Green fans, this would be a bug, not a feature.

Quote:both teams would bolt if the AAC came calling, and it would split up our TV money two more ways without adding schools that would instantly boost the MAC's value.

I think Marshall would boost the MAC's value. Another state. A good football program. Whether ESPN would reward us for that additional value is another question, but it's hard to say Marshall doesn't add value.

Also, I think all members of MAC would consider an invitation to leave if it came from the right conference, so I don't see potential interest in the AAC as a reason not to consider a member. (If we thought an invitation was imminent, that would be a different matter. I personally don't see that as very likely.)
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RE: Chuck Landon: The MAC has moved ahead of C-USA in virtually every aspect
(06-13-2016 09:16 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  I'd be open to Marshall if WKU came along, but it's not without its potential downsides. On one hand, we get two solid football programs (hence taking away two from C-USA), a historically good basketball team in the Hilltoppers, get to move BG to the West. On the other, there's iffy history to consider with the Herd, both teams would bolt if the AAC came calling, and it would split up our TV money two more ways without adding schools that would instantly boost the MAC's value. I'm willing to consider it, but we need to tread very lightly if we want to go down the Marshall path again.

And two schools located in Bowling Green.

Confusion would abound... 03-lmfao
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RE: Chuck Landon: The MAC has moved ahead of C-USA in virtually every aspect
(06-13-2016 10:55 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(06-13-2016 09:16 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  I'd be open to Marshall if WKU came along, but it's not without its potential downsides. On one hand, we get two solid football programs (hence taking away two from C-USA), a historically good basketball team in the Hilltoppers, get to move BG to the West. On the other, there's iffy history to consider with the Herd, both teams would bolt if the AAC came calling, and it would split up our TV money two more ways without adding schools that would instantly boost the MAC's value. I'm willing to consider it, but we need to tread very lightly if we want to go down the Marshall path again.

And two schools located in Bowling Green.

Confusion would abound... 03-lmfao
Or two Westerns.
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RE: Chuck Landon: The MAC has moved ahead of C-USA in virtually every aspect
(06-13-2016 10:40 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  
(06-13-2016 09:16 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  On one hand, we get ... to move BG to the West.

From the perspective of Bowling Green fans, this would be a bug, not a feature.

Quote:both teams would bolt if the AAC came calling, and it would split up our TV money two more ways without adding schools that would instantly boost the MAC's value.

I think Marshall would boost the MAC's value. Another state. A good football program. Whether ESPN would reward us for that additional value is another question, but it's hard to say Marshall doesn't add value.

Also, I think all members of MAC would consider an invitation to leave if it came from the right conference, so I don't see potential interest in the AAC as a reason not to consider a member. (If we thought an invitation was imminent, that would be a different matter. I personally don't see that as very likely.)

The only value that matters is dollars and cents. Right now each MAC school is represents somewhere between $800k-$850k in TV dollars. C-USA as whole brings in $2.8 million. I highly doubt they make up >25% of C-USA worth. Adding them would just be an extra mouth to feed. No thanks.

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RE: Chuck Landon: The MAC has moved ahead of C-USA in virtually every aspect
I don't think either side wants to get married for a third time.

That said, the CUSA Marshall left the MAC for, isn't what Marshall is in now. But there is an upside potential. The league has pulled upsets in the opening round of the tourney in each of the last two years. CUSA schools do not play football in mid-week games. And the league did get a bonus two years ago for being the best G5 football league. The league has hired a dedicated staff for increasing sponsorship dollars. It's not all bad.

I do think Marshall should maintain relationships with certain MAC schools like Ohio and Miami clse to Huntington, but there's no want for NIU, etc (no offense Huskies).

This new TV contract is not good, but it's only for two years, and there is a strong emphasis on digital. We'll see what happens and ASN and beIN both have upside.

I miss some of the MAC games, and think it's stupid Marshall and Ohio don't play once a year, home and home, in every sport.

Problem is, I don't run any of this. Y'all carry on....

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RE: Chuck Landon: The MAC has moved ahead of C-USA in virtually every aspect
(06-13-2016 05:51 PM)GreenSteve Wrote:  I don't think either side wants to get married for a third time.

That said, the CUSA Marshall left the MAC for, isn't what Marshall is in now. But there is an upside potential. The league has pulled upsets in the opening round of the tourney in each of the last two years. CUSA schools do not play football in mid-week games. And the league did get a bonus two years ago for being the best G5 football league. The league has hired a dedicated staff for increasing sponsorship dollars. It's not all bad.

I do think Marshall should maintain relationships with certain MAC schools like Ohio and Miami clse to Huntington, but there's no want for NIU, etc (no offense Huskies).

This new TV contract is not good, but it's only for two years, and there is a strong emphasis on digital. We'll see what happens and ASN and beIN both have upside.

I miss some of the MAC games, and think it's stupid Marshall and Ohio don't play once a year, home and home, in every sport.

Problem is, I don't run any of this. Y'all carry on....

GreenSteve.

Marshall and Akron seem to have a great relationship. Wrapping up a football home-and-home and the basketball programs are heading into six straight years (four in the books with two to come, IIR) with a home-and-homes scheduled against each other.
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RE: Chuck Landon: The MAC has moved ahead of C-USA in virtually every aspect
When the MAC resigned with ESPN we were required to upgrade our broadcast abilities to meet ESPN standards. ESPN added $24M to the last 3yrs of the old contract to cove the costs ($2M.school).


ESPN is insisting CUSA to make the same upgrades but is not offering a penny to help with the cost. That's cold blooded.
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RE: Chuck Landon: The MAC has moved ahead of C-USA in virtually every aspect
Wait a sec - when was CUSA ever ahead of the MAC?
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