This is the only true geographic alignment with travel partners and revelries. South Miss will require an alignment with Marshall. This also makes a travel partner with LA Tech and Southern Miss. WKU and MTSU would need the travel partner and rivalry. This keeps App and Geo Southern together as well, The other alignments may not be perfect but would be very practical for travel cost.

CUSA
Marshall
WKU
MTSU
ODU
Southern Miss
La Tech
GA Southern
App State

SBC
UTEP
UTSA
TX State
North TX
Rice
ULL
ULM
AK State

Southern 8
UAB
Troy
GA State
FIU
FAU
USA
Costal Carolina
Charlotte

(06-12-2016 04:00 PM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  This is the only true geographic alignment with travel partners and revelries. South Miss will require an alignment with Marshall. WKU and MTSU would need the travel partner and rivalry. The other alignments may not be perfect but would be very practical for travel cost.

CUSA
Marshall
WKU
MTSU
ODU
Southern Miss
La Tech
GA Southern
App State

SBC
UTEP
UTSA
TX State
North TX
Rice
ULL
ULM
AK State

Southern 9
UAB
Troy
USA
GA State
FIU
FAU
USA
Costal Carolina
Charlotte

As a Coastal fan, that looks like a hot pile of garbage you put together there.

First of all, you put USA in our conference twice. So is it really the Southern 8?

Second of all, there are only two teams in Coastal's hypothetical conference that I would ever be excited about us playing.

That's turrrrble.

(06-12-2016 04:05 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 04:00 PM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  This is the only true geographic alignment with travel partners and revelries. South Miss will require an alignment with Marshall. WKU and MTSU would need the travel partner and rivalry. The other alignments may not be perfect but would be very practical for travel cost.

CUSA
Marshall
WKU
MTSU
ODU
Southern Miss
La Tech
GA Southern
App State

SBC
UTEP
UTSA
TX State
North TX
Rice
ULL
ULM
AK State

Southern 8
UAB
Troy
GA State
FIU
FAU
USA
Costal Carolina
Charlotte

As a Coastal fan, that looks like a hot pile of garbage you put together there.

First of all, you put USA in our conference twice. So is it really the Southern 8? FIXED

Second of all, there are only two teams in Coastal's hypothetical conference that I would ever be excited about us playing.

That's turrrrble.

The reality is this will not happen, It is however a step in the direction to help solve travel cost and keep a few regional revelries together. There is no perfect panacea, But if everyone feels so inclined to paste and force schools together, there has to be some give and take.

Just for the record there are only 4 of the teams in that hypothetical alignment that are not SBC members (including your membership, which will take 3 years to become a full FBS member). You must have very little respect for your new conference mates.

(06-12-2016 04:23 PM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  The reality is this will not happen, It is however a step in the direction to help solve travel cost and keep a few regional revelries together. There is no perfect panacea, But if everyone feels so inclined to paste and force schools together, there has to be some give and take.

Just for the record there are only 4 of the teams in that hypothetical alignment that are not SBC members (including your membership, which will take 3 years to become a full FBS member). You must have very little respect for your new conference mates.

They'll be transitional FBS and eligible for the SBC title in 2017 and full FBS in 2018

(06-12-2016 04:23 PM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 04:05 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 04:00 PM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  This is the only true geographic alignment with travel partners and revelries. South Miss will require an alignment with Marshall. WKU and MTSU would need the travel partner and rivalry. The other alignments may not be perfect but would be very practical for travel cost.

CUSA
Marshall
WKU
MTSU
ODU
Southern Miss
La Tech
GA Southern
App State

SBC
UTEP
UTSA
TX State
North TX
Rice
ULL
ULM
AK State

Southern 8
UAB
Troy
GA State
FIU
FAU
USA
Costal Carolina
Charlotte

As a Coastal fan, that looks like a hot pile of garbage you put together there.

First of all, you put USA in our conference twice. So is it really the Southern 8? FIXED

Second of all, there are only two teams in Coastal's hypothetical conference that I would ever be excited about us playing.

That's turrrrble.

The reality is this will not happen, It is however a step in the direction to help solve travel cost and keep a few regional revelries together. There is no perfect panacea, But if everyone feels so inclined to paste and force schools together, there has to be some give and take.

Just for the record there are only 4 of the teams in that hypothetical alignment that are not SBC members (including your membership, which will take 3 years to become a full FBS member). You must have very little respect for your new conference mates.

Goodness gracious man, let me break it down for you.

First of all, you listed USA twice. I did not count them twice. NOT including my own team (Coastal) there are only three other SBC teams in your scenario that we would be in a conference with. I told you two of the teams in the conference would get me excited. Those 2 teams are both current SBC teams.

Therefore, there is only ONE team in your list in Coastal's hypothetical conference that is a current SBC member that I wouldn't get excited to see Coastal play.

So out of the 5 potential opponents in that list that I don't want to play, 4 of them are non SBC members. So I have plenty of respect for the SBC.

So lay off with the "you don't have much respect for your new conference" crap.

CUSA is the one with cost issues right now. Why are we worried about travel costs? We just lost Idaho/NMSU. Our travel costs are going down.

Why do we have to start thinking of a re-swizzle just cause CUSA is crying?

We're fine.

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(06-12-2016 06:57 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  CUSA is the one with cost issues right now. Why are we worried about travel costs? We just lost Idaho/NMSU. Our travel costs are going down.

Why do we have to start thinking of a re-swizzle just cause CUSA is crying?

We're fine.

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I'm fine with the way it is now too, and have been since the addition of App State and Ga Southern. Coastal is another in the plus column. I remember reading some of those blogs on who lost and who won during realignment. Say what you want about Karl, but I believe this shook out pretty well for the SBC. A lot better than it could have been anyway.

(06-12-2016 04:05 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 04:00 PM)ODU Oldtimer Wrote:  This is the only true geographic alignment with travel partners and revelries. South Miss will require an alignment with Marshall. WKU and MTSU would need the travel partner and rivalry. The other alignments may not be perfect but would be very practical for travel cost.

CUSA
Marshall
WKU
MTSU
ODU
Southern Miss
La Tech
GA Southern
App State

SBC
UTEP
UTSA
TX State
North TX
Rice
ULL
ULM
AK State

Southern 9
UAB
Troy
USA
GA State
FIU
FAU
USA
Costal Carolina
Charlotte

As a Coastal fan, that looks like a hot pile of garbage you put together there.

First of all, you put USA in our conference twice. So is it really the Southern 8?

Second of all, there are only two teams in Coastal's hypothetical conference that I would ever be excited about us playing.

That's turrrrble.

Agreed: well said. He makes zero sense.

(06-12-2016 07:16 PM)HCJag Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 06:57 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  CUSA is the one with cost issues right now. Why are we worried about travel costs? We just lost Idaho/NMSU. Our travel costs are going down.

Why do we have to start thinking of a re-swizzle just cause CUSA is crying?

We're fine.

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I'm fine with the way it is now too, and have been since the addition of App State and Ga Southern. Coastal is another in the plus column. I remember reading some of those blogs on who lost and who won during realignment. Say what you want about Karl, but I believe this shook out pretty well for the SBC. A lot better than it could have been anyway.

Agree . . the SBC now has a solid line up and there is no need to change that to bail out CUSA and their travel issues/problems.

(06-12-2016 06:57 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  CUSA is the one with cost issues right now. Why are we worried about travel costs? We just lost Idaho/NMSU. Our travel costs are going down.

Why do we have to start thinking of a re-swizzle just cause CUSA is crying?

We're fine.

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Very good points indeed!

Please read slowly and deliberately...stop looking up to coosa and look them straight in their eyes...there's nothing there to fear...or worship.

(06-12-2016 01:17 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 09:20 AM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 09:10 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  The Get Over Yourselves and Do The Right Thing Before You Go Broke Conferences
Sticking with the 12 team model

Conf A
North Division
App, Charlotte, Marshall, MTSU, ODU, WKU
South Division
Coastal, FAU, FIU, Ga So, Ga St, UAB

Conf B
East Division
La Tech, Troy, ULM, USA, USM, A State
West
N Tex, Rice, Tex St, ULL, UTEP, UTSA

Anything over 10 doesn't work in the G5, there is no motivation whatsoever for AppState to consider this. We already have home and homes scheduled with three of the schools you put in the north division of your fantasy league. All the SBC needs to do is do our version of an ACC vs. Big East challenge in football, men's and women's basketball, volleyball, and a few other sports. Travel problem solved without creating new leagues and untangling fees and waivers, and media rights.

If anything over 10 doesn't work for G5's why did the CFP base the payout on 12 team conferences? AppState has no motivation to consider this? The football part of this is easy, but what about the cost of plane trips for men's and women's basketball, baseball, softball and volleyball teams to Troy 8, USA & Ark St 10, ULM 12, ULL 14, Tex St 20 hrs away? With the exception of the two FL schools (12 hrs) everyone in that set up is within a 7 hour drive of Boone. Yes we're finishing up a H&H with ODU this year and have Charlotte in 2018-19 and Marshall in 2012 & 22. But that's it. It's not like we're playing them every year. Don't get me wrong. I think the current SB make-up is better than CUSA, but I'm looking at this from the financial side. The intent of this thread was to point out how whether some people in CUSA want to admit it or not, we're all in the same boat. TV revenue for G5's continue to fall while costs continue to climb. Ticket revenue is the best way to offset the loss. We prostitute our programs for the lure of playing on TV during the week with nobody in the stands. These games KILL ticket sales. Our schools HAVE to play regionally to have any hope of making it. Don't confine your thinking to just football. The other sports are what drains the bank account.

Benson has said on numerous occasions and specifically in interviews about not renewing NMSU and Idaho that G5 CFP revenue is currently at a max base of 10 million dollars with incentives that could add another 2 million, and that fact was a key reason we paired down to 10 teams along with the deregulation of the championship format. There is absolutely no reason to have more than 10 teams in a G5 conference, and CUSA has 14.

Nothing that you are saying you want to do with regional conferences couldn't be solved by the SBC staying at 10 schools and entering into a scheduling agreement with CUSA across several key sports. As for attempting to realign geographically, we are in a position of strength. App has fully transitioned, in the footprint of two and perhaps 3 G5 leagues, getting a full share of CFP money and now have regional divisions for all sports that reduce travel expenses. On top of that we are getting great press, have record donations and tremendous on-field results in football.

Financially, we are in the absolute best G5 position we could be in barring the AAC, and that not happening. There is NO WAY AppState considers a move to CUSA or to create a regional league out of a collection of disaffected schools. We are just now getting a full allotment of CFP money from the SBC as our entry fee to this conference is payed off. Patience young padawan.

CUSA needs to clean house because they are choking right now. Let the process evolve.

(06-12-2016 06:57 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  CUSA is the one with cost issues right now. Why are we worried about travel costs? We just lost Idaho/NMSU. Our travel costs are going down.

Why do we have to start thinking of a re-swizzle just cause CUSA is crying?

We're fine.

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Agree 100%

(06-13-2016 02:10 PM)Eagle22 Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 06:57 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  CUSA is the one with cost issues right now. Why are we worried about travel costs? We just lost Idaho/NMSU. Our travel costs are going down.

Why do we have to start thinking of a re-swizzle just cause CUSA is crying?

We're fine.

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Agree 100%

Correct. Why should the present Sun Belt members have to help solve CUSA problems that most of us knew were coming.

(06-13-2016 02:37 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(06-13-2016 02:10 PM)Eagle22 Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 06:57 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  CUSA is the one with cost issues right now. Why are we worried about travel costs? We just lost Idaho/NMSU. Our travel costs are going down.

Why do we have to start thinking of a re-swizzle just cause CUSA is crying?

We're fine.

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Agree 100%

Correct. Why should the present Sun Belt members have to help solve CUSA problems that most of us knew were coming.

Because it is in the best financial interest of Georgia Southern, Georgia State, App State, and Coastal to align with other regional schools like FAU, FIU, Charlotte, ODU and Marshall.

(06-13-2016 03:05 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(06-13-2016 02:37 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(06-13-2016 02:10 PM)Eagle22 Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 06:57 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  CUSA is the one with cost issues right now. Why are we worried about travel costs? We just lost Idaho/NMSU. Our travel costs are going down.

Why do we have to start thinking of a re-swizzle just cause CUSA is crying?

We're fine.

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Agree 100%

Correct. Why should the present Sun Belt members have to help solve CUSA problems that most of us knew were coming.

Because it is in the best financial interest of Georgia Southern, Georgia State, App State, and Coastal to align with other regional schools like FAU, FIU, Charlotte, ODU and Marshall.

You can save money by reusing the same bath water all year too. That doesn't mean you ought to.

(06-13-2016 03:15 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(06-13-2016 03:05 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(06-13-2016 02:37 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(06-13-2016 02:10 PM)Eagle22 Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 06:57 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  CUSA is the one with cost issues right now. Why are we worried about travel costs? We just lost Idaho/NMSU. Our travel costs are going down.

Why do we have to start thinking of a re-swizzle just cause CUSA is crying?

We're fine.

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Agree 100%

Correct. Why should the present Sun Belt members have to help solve CUSA problems that most of us knew were coming.

Because it is in the best financial interest of Georgia Southern, Georgia State, App State, and Coastal to align with other regional schools like FAU, FIU, Charlotte, ODU and Marshall.

You can save money by reusing the same bath water all year too. That doesn't mean you ought to.

That's deep. I like it.

(06-13-2016 03:05 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(06-13-2016 02:37 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(06-13-2016 02:10 PM)Eagle22 Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 06:57 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  CUSA is the one with cost issues right now. Why are we worried about travel costs? We just lost Idaho/NMSU. Our travel costs are going down.

Why do we have to start thinking of a re-swizzle just cause CUSA is crying?

We're fine.

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Agree 100%

Correct. Why should the present Sun Belt members have to help solve CUSA problems that most of us knew were coming.

Because it is in the best financial interest of Georgia Southern, Georgia State, App State, and Coastal to align with other regional schools like FAU, FIU, Charlotte, ODU and Marshall.

I'd rather associate with Arkansas State than FAU, FIU or Charlotte.

I could rally behind ODU and Marshall though.

(06-13-2016 03:31 PM)Eagle22 Wrote:  

(06-13-2016 03:05 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(06-13-2016 02:37 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(06-13-2016 02:10 PM)Eagle22 Wrote:  

(06-12-2016 06:57 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  CUSA is the one with cost issues right now. Why are we worried about travel costs? We just lost Idaho/NMSU. Our travel costs are going down.

Why do we have to start thinking of a re-swizzle just cause CUSA is crying?

We're fine.

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Agree 100%

Correct. Why should the present Sun Belt members have to help solve CUSA problems that most of us knew were coming.

Because it is in the best financial interest of Georgia Southern, Georgia State, App State, and Coastal to align with other regional schools like FAU, FIU, Charlotte, ODU and Marshall.

I'd rather associate with Arkansas State than FAU, FIU or Charlotte.

I could rally behind ODU and Marshall though.

I agree with E22 last post.

arkstfan I do not disagree that the cost saving would be better in a more compact conference but I feel like with the smaller tv dollars which is what started this entire discussion that what is going to become more important to each school is fan support and revenue generated by each schools fans. A change at this time just does not excite fans of Georgia Southern. Also I personally feel like a little over lap between conferences is a good thing instead of going to where there is really very little overlap of conferences.

(06-13-2016 03:05 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Because it is in the best financial interest of Georgia Southern, Georgia State, App State, and Coastal to align with other regional schools like FAU, FIU, Charlotte, ODU and Marshall.

Reorganizing based on geography isn't the only option.

What if we combined the best football programs from the Sun Belt and CUSA? What we would get from our TV contract and CFP payouts might could defray what we pay in travel costs.

Personally, from a selfish standpoint I would rather play StAte, Marshall, and USM than play Charlotte, FAU, and FIU, but being more spread out might actually pay off financially as well.

Realigning to a best of is just doing the same thing expecting a different result.

They did it to chase markets. Do it to chase CFP what happens if they change how it operates in 10 years or renegotiate early and do it in four or six years?