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(06-11-2016 09:24 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(06-11-2016 01:25 AM)GhentFan Wrote:  

(06-10-2016 06:42 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Here's an example of what a great football program can do for academics. University of Alabama led the country in National Merit Scholars in 2013.
http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/20.../130209858

Any wonder that they were in the middle of a dominant run at football during that period? Good athletics attracts more applicants. The more applicants, the better the student body. As a student body increases in quality, so do the alums. Corporations take notice and your diploma suddenly becomes more valuable. It's a domino effect.

Those outlier institutions that you have mentioned are mostly small and/or private schools that have the ability to be selective.

Large public schools don't have that as an option.

Not having that as an option doesn't mean I'm wrong.
Look at our cousin Christopher Newport University. It's not the sports that is turning that school into something special.
IF you guys are correct, then these guys will be the first school I point to as to the best return for the dollar spent on "making the degree worth more"

CNU has an important attribute that allows a school to be more selective, they are small (around 5k undergrads). They aren't a school we can use as a roadmap to increasing selectivity, since we have very little in common past the shared area code and state.

That's the kicker, it wasn't too long ago that ODU was far smaller than it is today regards to its enrollment. The University sought out to grow both it's volume of students and its athletics. It's a matter of having different priorities.

I chose CNU as we share a common history and the two schools chose very different routes as to where to grow.

Obtained some enrollment data for ODU


Also found this on the internet
http://research.schev.edu/enrollment/E2_Report.asp
It seems that ODU's enrollment history just matches up with state wide trends and not tied directly to any particular sport.
Couldn't find an acceptance rates or application equivalent data base.

What common history do we share with CNU?

(06-11-2016 11:23 AM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  What common history do we share with CNU?

They are not a division of William & Mary.
Oh yes they are!

(06-11-2016 10:32 AM)GhentFan Wrote:  

(06-11-2016 09:24 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(06-11-2016 01:25 AM)GhentFan Wrote:  

(06-10-2016 06:42 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Here's an example of what a great football program can do for academics. University of Alabama led the country in National Merit Scholars in 2013.
http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/20.../130209858

Any wonder that they were in the middle of a dominant run at football during that period? Good athletics attracts more applicants. The more applicants, the better the student body. As a student body increases in quality, so do the alums. Corporations take notice and your diploma suddenly becomes more valuable. It's a domino effect.

Those outlier institutions that you have mentioned are mostly small and/or private schools that have the ability to be selective.

Large public schools don't have that as an option.

Not having that as an option doesn't mean I'm wrong.
Look at our cousin Christopher Newport University. It's not the sports that is turning that school into something special.
IF you guys are correct, then these guys will be the first school I point to as to the best return for the dollar spent on "making the degree worth more"

CNU has an important attribute that allows a school to be more selective, they are small (around 5k undergrads). They aren't a school we can use as a roadmap to increasing selectivity, since we have very little in common past the shared area code and state.

That's the kicker, it wasn't too long ago that ODU was far smaller than it is today regards to its enrollment. The University sought out to grow both it's volume of students and its athletics. It's a matter of having different priorities.

I chose CNU as we share a common history and the two schools chose very different routes as to where to grow.

Obtained some enrollment data for ODU


Also found this on the internet
http://research.schev.edu/enrollment/E2_Report.asp
It seems that ODU's enrollment history just matches up with state wide trends and not tied directly to any particular sport.
Couldn't find an acceptance rates or application equivalent data base.

So, 30 years ago we had 3 times as many students as they do now and you think that's comparable?

Click the schev link and go through the schools. ODU's growth for the most part has matched it's peers nearly year for year.
I opted not to post this earlier as it only goes to 2007, but does a better job showing growth across nearly all the schools year over year (Except NSU)
http://www.schev.edu/reportstats/2007enr....pdf?from=

I'm sure an answer might be hidden in all this data somewhere on this site.
http://research.schev.edu/
I'll dig into this later, have a project for class that is taking priority.

CNU and ODU both came into their own roughly the same period of time and both schools share the W&M ties.
I'm not saying they were/are the same school but I look these two as two brothers. One became a doctor the other can play ball. Different paths to their own successes.
As for their current size vs our historic size. CNU is growing. Some of the years have seen higher % than ODU

Don't get me wrong. I'm not bashing ODU.
How could you get upset at a school that can make a family do this?

For starters, I had no idea that CNU started as an extension of W&M. My mistake on that.

Otherwise, I fail to see the comparison. We are 30 years older, have 4-5 times as many students, play D1 sports, and have an over 200M endowment.

(06-11-2016 09:24 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(06-11-2016 01:25 AM)GhentFan Wrote:  

(06-10-2016 06:42 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Here's an example of what a great football program can do for academics. University of Alabama led the country in National Merit Scholars in 2013.
http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/20.../130209858

Any wonder that they were in the middle of a dominant run at football during that period? Good athletics attracts more applicants. The more applicants, the better the student body. As a student body increases in quality, so do the alums. Corporations take notice and your diploma suddenly becomes more valuable. It's a domino effect.

Those outlier institutions that you have mentioned are mostly small and/or private schools that have the ability to be selective.

Large public schools don't have that as an option.

Not having that as an option doesn't mean I'm wrong.
Look at our cousin Christopher Newport University. It's not the sports that is turning that school into something special.
IF you guys are correct, then these guys will be the first school I point to as to the best return for the dollar spent on "making the degree worth more"

CNU has an important attribute that allows a school to be more selective, they are small (around 5k undergrads). They aren't a school we can use as a roadmap to increasing selectivity, since we have very little in common past the shared area code and state.

CNU is also in one of the nicer parts of 757. It is not an urban campus. It is bordered by 2 upper/upper-middle class neighborhoods with $2M homes, a country club, and a huge park at the Mariners Museum that has a lake, the James River, and a 5-mile cross country trail. That is important as well. The South and East parts bordering ODU will always make parents nervous about letting their kids go there.

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(06-11-2016 02:28 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  CNU is also in one of the nicer parts of 757. It is not an urban campus. It is bordered by 2 upper/upper-middle class neighborhoods with $2M homes, a country club, and a huge park at the Mariners Museum that has a lake, the James River, and a 5-mile cross country trail. That is important as well. The South and East parts bordering ODU will always make parents nervous about letting their kids go there.

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You can't say always, I remember when Ghent was a crime ridden dump in which nobody in their right mind wanted to live. Look at it now.

(06-11-2016 06:05 PM)Friar Tuck 4400 Wrote:  

(06-11-2016 02:28 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  CNU is also in one of the nicer parts of 757. It is not an urban campus. It is bordered by 2 upper/upper-middle class neighborhoods with $2M homes, a country club, and a huge park at the Mariners Museum that has a lake, the James River, and a 5-mile cross country trail. That is important as well. The South and East parts bordering ODU will always make parents nervous about letting their kids go there.

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You can't say always, I remember when Ghent was a crime ridden dump in which nobody in their right mind wanted to live. Look at it now.

Same with downtown. It's history is pretty terrible.
It's sorta fun to watch Park Place slowly turn around. It's going to be a while though.

(06-11-2016 06:05 PM)Friar Tuck 4400 Wrote:  

(06-11-2016 02:28 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  CNU is also in one of the nicer parts of 757. It is not an urban campus. It is bordered by 2 upper/upper-middle class neighborhoods with $2M homes, a country club, and a huge park at the Mariners Museum that has a lake, the James River, and a 5-mile cross country trail. That is important as well. The South and East parts bordering ODU will always make parents nervous about letting their kids go there.

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You can't say always, I remember when Ghent was a crime ridden dump in which nobody in their right mind wanted to live. Look at it now.

Back in the 90s, my friends that lived in Ghent spoke of the unsolved Rapist case. It didn't get a lot of publicity. Anyone know more on this? Was Bill Cosby keeping s house in Ghent? Stanford swim team?

At UNC athletics make your degree worth less.