(06-10-2016 08:21 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 10:55 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 10:51 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 10:42 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Let's play a little role reversal; Iowa state is appealing to join the AAC. Would we let them in?

With what we have, why should we?

An AAU big state school that gets 60k to Jack Trice every Saturday, and 3k more on average to Hilton for wrestling meets than 4 AAC schools do for basketball games? No. We wouldn't want that in our conference.
Cheers!

A football team that doesn't carry a significant market (their state has a smaller population than 5 of the markets our schools are in: Houston, Dallas, Orlando, Tampa-St. Pete, Philadelphia, and is comparable to Cincinnati's), they have only won 9 games in football once in the last CENTURY, and are about as elite as mud in their Olympic sports outside of Wrestling, which this conference doesn't care about. In other words, they'd be an also-ran in this conference, probably just like Texas Tech.

They'd prolly pound Cincy in football, like we all do

Iowa St. - Tulsa is a fun match-up. We had that whole 2 game series with a bowl game in-between a few years back. They won the regular season games, but we won the Liberty Bowl. It was fun watching their fans leave the game early. Especially since they out numbered us 3 to 1. Nice people though.

(06-10-2016 08:31 AM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(06-10-2016 08:21 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 10:55 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 10:51 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 10:42 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Let's play a little role reversal; Iowa state is appealing to join the AAC. Would we let them in?

With what we have, why should we?

An AAU big state school that gets 60k to Jack Trice every Saturday, and 3k more on average to Hilton for wrestling meets than 4 AAC schools do for basketball games? No. We wouldn't want that in our conference.
Cheers!

A football team that doesn't carry a significant market (their state has a smaller population than 5 of the markets our schools are in: Houston, Dallas, Orlando, Tampa-St. Pete, Philadelphia, and is comparable to Cincinnati's), they have only won 9 games in football once in the last CENTURY, and are about as elite as mud in their Olympic sports outside of Wrestling, which this conference doesn't care about. In other words, they'd be an also-ran in this conference, probably just like Texas Tech.

They'd prolly pound Cincy in football, like we all do

Usf and Houston on their one game win streaks. Jeesh. Hate the thought if we would ever lose to ECU again.

(06-10-2016 06:38 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  I actually think this is quite big news. Texas is now starting to shift minds within the conference. They only need a few schools to say no and expansion is off the table. I also think the championship and 30 million keep the league happy for now. Also, with enough money to compete now, the conference imo is going to be risk averse.

Second, I think there is a new narrative within the conference concerning expansion, Land Grant. It looks like the expansion argument is switching to a later down the road narrative with the hope that when Land Grant rules play out, there will be more valuable properties on the board for them.

I think the expansion story is more is more looking like a none story.

Texas didn't need to shape anyone's mind but Texas. They have the ultimate leverage here. They can always take their ball and go play at a different playground.

If that happened, goodbye $$$.

If I were an ISU alum, I would be calling for Leath to be fired. Is he too stupid to realize that Iowa State is one of the schools that will be left out of the "P5" if it implodes due to raiding by the BIG and SEC (as predicted by many)? Sitting at 10 members makes them very vulnerable.

(06-10-2016 07:58 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  ..... Big12 will attempt to take some ACC schools.......

Why in hell would any ACC school ever want to join the Big 12?

(06-10-2016 09:34 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  If I were an ISU alum, I would be calling for Leath to be fired. Is he too stupid to realize that Iowa State is one of the schools that will be left out of the "P5" if it implodes due to raiding by the BIG and SEC (as predicted by many)? Sitting at 10 members makes them very vulnerable.

But adding two average P5 quality programs suddenly stabilizes the conference?

(06-09-2016 10:55 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 10:51 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 10:42 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Let's play a little role reversal; Iowa state is appealing to join the AAC. Would we let them in?

With what we have, why should we?

An AAU big state school that gets 60k to Jack Trice every Saturday, and 3k more on average to Hilton for wrestling meets than 4 AAC schools do for basketball games? No. We wouldn't want that in our conference.
Cheers!

Southern Miss

(06-10-2016 09:39 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(06-10-2016 07:58 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  ..... Big12 will attempt to take some ACC schools.......

Why in hell would any ACC school ever want to join the Big 12?

M.O.N.E.Y. Brotein shake. They just distributed more than the ACC and they retain their 3rd tier rights. A team like FSU would probably tack on another 7-10 million with theirs. 37 million is much better than what they currently pull in the ACC. Not to mention there isn't a single match up in the ACC that moves the needle like FSU/UT or FSU/OU would. Those games alone with buoy the Big12 contract further.

(06-10-2016 08:58 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(06-10-2016 08:31 AM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(06-10-2016 08:21 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 10:55 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 10:51 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  With what we have, why should we?

An AAU big state school that gets 60k to Jack Trice every Saturday, and 3k more on average to Hilton for wrestling meets than 4 AAC schools do for basketball games? No. We wouldn't want that in our conference.
Cheers!

A football team that doesn't carry a significant market (their state has a smaller population than 5 of the markets our schools are in: Houston, Dallas, Orlando, Tampa-St. Pete, Philadelphia, and is comparable to Cincinnati's), they have only won 9 games in football once in the last CENTURY, and are about as elite as mud in their Olympic sports outside of Wrestling, which this conference doesn't care about. In other words, they'd be an also-ran in this conference, probably just like Texas Tech.

They'd prolly pound Cincy in football, like we all do

Usf and Houston on their one game win streaks. Jeesh. Hate the thought if we would ever lose to ECU again.

It won't be pretty...

(06-10-2016 08:31 AM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(06-10-2016 08:21 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 10:55 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 10:51 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 10:42 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Let's play a little role reversal; Iowa state is appealing to join the AAC. Would we let them in?

With what we have, why should we?

An AAU big state school that gets 60k to Jack Trice every Saturday, and 3k more on average to Hilton for wrestling meets than 4 AAC schools do for basketball games? No. We wouldn't want that in our conference.
Cheers!

A football team that doesn't carry a significant market (their state has a smaller population than 5 of the markets our schools are in: Houston, Dallas, Orlando, Tampa-St. Pete, Philadelphia, and is comparable to Cincinnati's), they have only won 9 games in football once in the last CENTURY, and are about as elite as mud in their Olympic sports outside of Wrestling, which this conference doesn't care about. In other words, they'd be an also-ran in this conference, probably just like Texas Tech.

They'd prolly pound Cincy in football, like we all do

(06-10-2016 09:50 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  

(06-10-2016 09:39 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(06-10-2016 07:58 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  ..... Big12 will attempt to take some ACC schools.......

Why in hell would any ACC school ever want to join the Big 12?

M.O.N.E.Y. Brotein shake. They just distributed more than the ACC and they retain their 3rd tier rights. A team like FSU would probably tack on another 7-10 million with theirs. 37 million is much better than what they currently pull in the ACC. Not to mention there isn't a single match up in the ACC that moves the needle like FSU/UT or FSU/OU would. Those games alone with buoy the Big12 contract further.

This ^^ FSU would get a big bump in pay and keep there third tier rights which I would assume would be very lucrative as well. A league headlined with Texas, OU and FSU would be on par with the SEC and Big10 no doubt and get a huge raise. Lets be honest each of those leagues have a few marquee brands and then the rest is whatever.

(06-10-2016 09:34 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  If I were an ISU alum, I would be calling for Leath to be fired. Is he too stupid to realize that Iowa State is one of the schools that will be left out of the "P5" if it implodes due to raiding by the BIG and SEC (as predicted by many)? Sitting at 10 members makes them very vulnerable.

I believe the thinking in the Big12 is keep Texas happy and everything will be alright. If Texas becomes unhappy, they leave. If we (the other schools) upset Texas, our gravy train is over. No amount of UCONN, Temple, Memphis, BYU or Houston will ever keep their gravy train alive and well as Texas. They do know which side of the toast the butter is on.

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(06-10-2016 11:52 AM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

(06-10-2016 09:34 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  If I were an ISU alum, I would be calling for Leath to be fired. Is he too stupid to realize that Iowa State is one of the schools that will be left out of the "P5" if it implodes due to raiding by the BIG and SEC (as predicted by many)? Sitting at 10 members makes them very vulnerable.

I believe the thinking in the Big12 is keep Texas happy and everything will be alright. If Texas becomes unhappy, they leave. If we (the other schools) upset Texas, our gravy train is over. No amount of UCONN, Temple, Memphis, BYU or Houston will ever keep their gravy train alive and well as Texas. They do know which side of the toast the butter is on.

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You're correct... If you in a league with me you go by my rules and your vote doesn't count, UT will say. Welcome to my world biaches!!! lol

(06-10-2016 11:52 AM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

(06-10-2016 09:34 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  If I were an ISU alum, I would be calling for Leath to be fired. Is he too stupid to realize that Iowa State is one of the schools that will be left out of the "P5" if it implodes due to raiding by the BIG and SEC (as predicted by many)? Sitting at 10 members makes them very vulnerable.

I believe the thinking in the Big12 is keep Texas happy and everything will be alright. If Texas becomes unhappy, they leave. If we (the other schools) upset Texas, our gravy train is over. No amount of UCONN, Temple, Memphis, BYU or Houston will ever keep their gravy train alive and well as Texas. They do know which side of the toast the butter is on.

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Exactly

(06-09-2016 10:42 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Let's play a little role reversal; Iowa state is appealing to join the AAC. Would we let them in?

Why would we? They aren't particularly impressive in any sport. They are just one of the lucky ones who were grandfathered into a BCS league. There are many others just like them. No better than anyone in the AAC.

(06-10-2016 11:52 AM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

(06-10-2016 09:34 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  If I were an ISU alum, I would be calling for Leath to be fired. Is he too stupid to realize that Iowa State is one of the schools that will be left out of the "P5" if it implodes due to raiding by the BIG and SEC (as predicted by many)? Sitting at 10 members makes them very vulnerable.

I believe the thinking in the Big12 is keep Texas happy and everything will be alright. If Texas becomes unhappy, they leave. If we (the other schools) upset Texas, our gravy train is over. No amount of UCONN, Temple, Memphis, BYU or Houston will ever keep their gravy train alive and well as Texas. They do know which side of the toast the butter is on.

.This is spot on

Notice the academic comment. I'm just saying:)

To be honest a few weeks ago I thought the big 12 was going to end but with the big pay days that are going to happen I think the big 12 will be fine as long as OU and Texas stay happy. Like others say there could be a chance we could pull an ACC in if we can promise that they will make more money, but that's a story for another day. I don't think I'm well versed to talk in that area and I think the ACC schools are happy where they are currently.

I'm kinda shocked you'll don't want us in your conference. I think if Iowa State couldn't make it into another power conference I would want to be in the AAC. We finally have a president that cares about athletics and wants to make our football team and basketball team the face of the university. We support our teams like no other even if we are losing. I think football is trending up, we just had our best recruiting class in school history and a very exciting young coaching staff.

We have the third largest stadium in the big 12 and we are number two in attendance for the big 12 and 19 in the nation for basketball. We hold the 3rd longest streak of consecutive weeks in the top 25 (it's been 5 years since we have been unranked).

We have a large alumni base and I think we would have one of the largest fan bases if we joined the AAC. We travel well and throw some of the best tailgates. I think the AAC could land ISU and KState.

I know we are the most attractive school but a former P5 school would be a big get for any conference. The AAC is my favorite G5 conference and I know Iowa State would rep it well if it came down to us joining it.

(06-10-2016 09:38 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  To be honest a few weeks ago I thought the big 12 was going to end but with the big pay days that are going to happen I think the big 12 will be fine as long as OU and Texas stay happy. Like others say there could be a chance we could pull an ACC in if we can promise that they will make more money, but that's a story for another day. I don't think I'm well versed to talk in that area and I think the ACC schools are happy where they are currently.

I'm kinda shocked you'll don't want us in your conference. I think if Iowa State couldn't make it into another power conference I would want to be in the AAC. We finally have a president that cares about athletics and wants to make our football team and basketball team the face of the university. We support our teams like no other even if we are losing. I think football is trending up, we just had our best recruiting class in school history and a very exciting young coaching staff.

We have the third largest stadium in the big 12 and we are number two in attendance for the big 12 and 19 in the nation for basketball. We hold the 3rd longest streak of consecutive weeks in the top 25 (it's been 5 years since we have been unranked).

We have a large alumni base and I think we would have one of the largest fan bases if we joined the AAC. We travel well and throw some of the best tailgates. I think the AAC could land ISU and KState.

I know we are the most attractive school but a former P5 school would be a big get for any conference. The AAC is my favorite G5 conference and I know Iowa State would rep it well if it came down to us joining it.

Ahh don't listen to these guys... I would be happy with ISU in the league. It helps us create more separation between us and the other G5 leagues.