(06-15-2016 10:28 AM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 10:15 AM)Chappy Wrote:  That would give us:

EAST
Cincinnati
Connecticut
East Carolina
Memphis
Navy
South Florida
Temple
Tulane
UCF

WEST
Air Force
Boise State
Colorado State
Houston
New Mexico
San Diego State
SMU
Tulsa
Wyoming

You'd need 9 conference games to get one cross-over game so Air Force could play Navy, unless you kept Navy in the West and moved Tulsa to the East.

With complete CCG deregulation, an even better lineup might include:

NORTH: UConn, Temple, Cincinnati, ECU, *Army
SOUTH: UCF, USF, Memphis, Tulane, *NIU
CENTRAL: Navy, Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Air Force
WEST: CSU, New Mexico, Wyoming, Boise St., SDSU

4 divisional games and 4 cross-over games. Army-Navy and Army-AFA are annual locks and schedules stacked such that Air Force plays at least 2 WEST teams each season.

FTFY

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(06-15-2016 10:54 AM)k5james Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 09:48 AM)YNot Wrote:  Would the AAC take the following six in an expansion move?

Air Force
Colorado St.
Wyoming
New Mexico
San Diego St.
Boise St.

That would land the two that the AAC originally wanted - SDSU and Boise St. - and grab two-thirds of the military academies. Plus, Colorado St., Wyoming, and New Mexico are state flag ships...that's worth something.

Then, affiliate with BYU and Army for some annual games and bowls - would likely help with the TV contract and some slight bowl upgrades.

Why would those teams move for that? They could just stay in the MWC.

I do suspect the original MWC schools wish they hadn't invited SJSU, Fresno and Utah St. One BYU fan told me that if the MWC hadn't picked up those 3 then a BYU move back to the MWC wouldn't be impossible. Though I have noticed that BYU is scheduling H&H's with those 3 schools in football so I don't know.....It does seem like BYU miscalculated one thing on scheduling though. The thought that eventually AF, UNM, Wyoming, Colorado St, SDSU would play them regularly if they left the MWC. I've looked at future schedules and noticed that BYU still hasn't gotten those MWC founder schools scheduled. The ice hasn't there melted yet. Maybe there's some updates I've missed...
Cheers!

(06-15-2016 11:47 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I do suspect the original MWC schools wish they hadn't invited SJSU, Fresno and Utah St. One BYU fan told me that if the MWC hadn't picked up those 3 then a BYU move back to the MWC wouldn't be impossible. Though I have noticed that BYU is scheduling H&H's with those 3 schools in football so I don't know.....It does seem like BYU miscalculated one thing on scheduling though. The thought that eventually AF, UNM, Wyoming, Colorado St, SDSU would play them regularly if they left the MWC. I've looked at future schedules and noticed that BYU still hasn't gotten those MWC founder schools scheduled. The ice hasn't there melted yet. Maybe there's some updates I've missed...
Cheers!

I wish the MWC had invited Boise St., Fresno St. and Houston before the realignment mayhem. The MWC would have qualified for the BCS exemption for the last 2 years of the BCS and would have kept its Texas presence, even after losing TCU. I'm not sure that would have kept BYU in the MWC, but we'll never know...

Perhaps the MWC would have expanded with SMU, Tulsa, Tulane and Memphis, rather than Utah St., SJSU, Nevada, and Hawaii. That would make a BYU return to the MWC more feasible.

Had the new CCG deregulation rules and structure been in place previously, the SJSU and Utah St. additions would have been unnecessary.

I really hope that BYU and Colorado St. and San Diego St. schedule something soon. But, nothing on the horizon at this point.

I'm hoping BYU gets Colorado St. or Air Force in the Poinsettia Bowl this year.

(06-15-2016 11:47 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 10:54 AM)k5james Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 09:48 AM)YNot Wrote:  Would the AAC take the following six in an expansion move?

Air Force
Colorado St.
Wyoming
New Mexico
San Diego St.
Boise St.

That would land the two that the AAC originally wanted - SDSU and Boise St. - and grab two-thirds of the military academies. Plus, Colorado St., Wyoming, and New Mexico are state flag ships...that's worth something.

Then, affiliate with BYU and Army for some annual games and bowls - would likely help with the TV contract and some slight bowl upgrades.

Why would those teams move for that? They could just stay in the MWC.

I do suspect the original MWC schools wish they hadn't invited SJSU, Fresno and Utah St. One BYU fan told me that if the MWC hadn't picked up those 3 then a BYU move back to the MWC wouldn't be impossible. Though I have noticed that BYU is scheduling H&H's with those 3 schools in football so I don't know.....It does seem like BYU miscalculated one thing on scheduling though. The thought that eventually AF, UNM, Wyoming, Colorado St, SDSU would play them regularly if they left the MWC. I've looked at future schedules and noticed that BYU still hasn't gotten those MWC founder schools scheduled. The ice hasn't there melted yet. Maybe there's some updates I've missed...
Cheers!

That BYU fan is talking out of his pooper. BYU had to leave once Utah left. To stay would be to admit they're lower on the totem pole than Utah. There was zero chance of them returning to the MWC no matter who was added.

BYU will be fine. They are in a better position than the rest of us in the G5.

Utah State's a good addition. Looking at its size, location, the absence of a school from the state with the departures of UU and BYU, and its supportive fans (especially basketball), they got it right.

I think their ceiling is high.

(06-15-2016 12:25 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Utah State's a good addition. Looking at its size, location, the absence of a school from the state with the departures of UU and BYU, and its supportive fans (especially basketball), they got it right.

I think their ceiling is high.

Nope. It's a tiny school in a tiny town in a tiny state that already has two big time programs. When SDSU and BSU almost left the MWC should have just stayed at eight. A ten team MWC of SDSU, BSU, AFA, WYO, UNM, CSU, UNR, UNLV, Fresno State and Hawaii would be in much better shape financially.

They may have wanted to kill off the WAC, though.

(06-15-2016 10:28 AM)YNot Wrote:  With complete CCG deregulation, an even better lineup might include:

NORTH: UConn, Temple, Cincinnati, ECU, *Army
SOUTH: UCF, USF, Memphis, Tulane, *Southern Miss
CENTRAL: Navy, Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Air Force
WEST: CSU, New Mexico, Wyoming, Boise St., SDSU

4 divisional games and 4 cross-over games. Army-Navy and Army-AFA are annual locks and schedules stacked such that Air Force plays at least 2 WEST teams each season.

I tend to stay out of these types of discussions (divisional alignments), but instead of forcing Army to have two protected rivalries (which probably would not even work), and messing up other divisions set ups, place all three in separate divisions. I would either switch Navy and Tulane, or Air Force and New Mexico, which is probably better, because it also allows AFA and CSU to play annually.
That said, with 16 teams, the best way to design a schedule, assuming 9 conference games, is to sort of modify the NFL base schedule:

• Each team plays once against each of the other four teams in its pod: twice at home, and twice on the road (four games).
• Each team plays once against three of the five teams from another pod, with the assigned division based on a three-year rotation: one at home, and two on the road alternating. The three teams to be played would be designated as follows:

• o Each team plays a predetermined team within that pod, every time those pods are aligned.
  o Each team alternated among the other four teams, playing two in year one, and the other two in year four

• Each team plays once against one predetermined team from each of the remaining two pods.
• The two pods that play each other, form a “division,” and the team with the best record among those two pods, is the “division champion” and plays in the conference championship game (assuming no semi-final games)


I would probably look to group the teams as such

Gp_North__ South__ Central__ West
1__Army___ Navy__ Tulane__ Air Force
2__Cincy__ Mem___ Houston_ Boise St
3__UConn_ USF____ SMU____ UNLV
4__Temple_ UCF___ N Mex___ Colorado St
5__ECU___ So Miss_ Tulsa____ SDSU

Now some of the groupings perhaps can be updated, but the first one was easy with the Academies - SD St would have been a great tie in there, but one look on a map says Air Force is too tightly knitted with the others to move to the central, so I went with New Orleans (SMU could also work here). The second grouping was mostly three teams who have played together for a while, and the most natural 4th. The third meant to be the last two remaining Big East teams, the Dallas/NY thing, and UConn’s best west coast comparison. The last two were more random, with keeping ECU and Southern Miss together, and New Mexico and Colorado St.

(06-15-2016 12:47 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  They may have wanted to kill off the WAC, though.

To what end? Were they really afraid that this lineup...

Idaho
LA Tech
SJSU
UTSA
Texas State
Utah State
New Mexico State

might rise up? They didn't get anymore money by killing it that's for sure...

(06-15-2016 01:57 PM)k5james Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 12:47 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  They may have wanted to kill off the WAC, though.

To what end? Were they really afraid that this lineup...

Idaho
LA Tech
SJSU
UTSA
Texas State
Utah State
New Mexico State

might rise up? They didn't get anymore money by killing it that's for sure...

From my POV, it seemed like Craig Thompson was trying to sabotage BYU's independence. We were planning on parking olympic sports in the WAC before the conference was gutted.

EDIT: Wait, I just realized you were talking USU & SJSU. Nevermind.

AAC is amazing I mean just get the 3 academies, have the armed forces provide logistics for land travel and air travel provide fly overs for our games and protection from possible emergencies at he games.

That right there with the "not as much as a p5" I mean...we aren't paying for travel, academies get great national attention fans get peace of mind about better security.

Go AAC AAC!

k5,

LA Tech would've gone to the CUSA, regardless. That's a much better fit than the WAC was. And the MWC of course would've still taken Nevada, Fresno and Hawaii football to get to 10.

Would the two San Antonio area schools have stayed in the WAC, instead of going to the CUSA and Sun Belt? Neither are exactly "close", travel wise. But I think the more "southern" identity of those two confs would lure those teams away from the WAC.


But that still leaves a core of SJ St, Idaho, UT St and NM St. That core, plus two Big Sky schools and NDSU/SDSU would be enough to maintain the third-tier Western FBS conference. If that's not what the MWC wanted, then taking SJ and USU away makes it much harder to keep the conf alive with just Idaho and NM St.


Manley,

Would BYU have preferred that, to the WCC?

(06-15-2016 09:15 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-15-2016 01:58 AM)lance99 Wrote:  

(06-14-2016 10:11 PM)k5james Wrote:  AFA isn't leaving the MWC unless both WYO and CSU leave.
CSU isn't leaving the MWC unless for a P5.
BSU isn't leaving the MWC unless for a P5.
New Mexico only cares about basketball so they'll do whatever is good for that sport.
Ditto for UNLV.

Any chance for the ACC to raid the MWC will likely have to come from the western division.

I put the first sentence in bold for a reason.. If the AAC actually want Air Force, it MUST be a Package Deal. Bottom Line and I do not think any Conference wants Wyoming under that scenario and would say pass.

CSU if there are no other options available.

Bosie has nowhere to go. The Big XII would say no outright and I think Stanford, USC and UCLA will never vote yes on Academics alone in the PAC and would be a major outlier in an Eastern Conference(Unless the Belt made the call and decided to keep Idaho), and that is even if the Big East stayed together and they actually went.

New Mexico has no shot. None! That talk needs to stop!

UNLV!? That is just Chasing the Market Carrot. Ask C-USA how that worked out for them

For the Others mentioned here and elsewhere: Marshall, Southern Miss, UTEP, ODU. That is Grasping for Straws.

I have a great idea for the AAC: Take Eastern Michigan and Louisiana Monroe. You can Daisy Chain your way into Detroit(like UConn does with NYC) AND bridge Houston to UCF. Problem solved

Let me get this straight:
You said AAC needs EMU & Louisiana Monroe (tiny budgets/small attendance/little support/smaller crowds/small venues) but say no to UNLV & UNM (big G5 budgets/support/huge hoops attendance/bigger facilities across the board).
You are joking right?
Cheers!

No. the reason I say that is because they would have took Coastal Carolina if their Billionaire Coach fronted Big Money upfront and you know it. If the schools I mentioned told the AAC we would give you 30 million each to join, they would look the other way ant put it to a vote....