(06-11-2016 10:39 AM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 11:44 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 11:41 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 11:28 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 11:23 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Hey, I'm all for it. Hell, it's something I thought should have been instituted 10+ years ago to keep ne'er-do-wells out.

Bottom line is the vast majority of the "target demographic" of rabble rousers which they want to keep out are black. So, the creation of the cover is to dissuade those people from coming onto Beale.

If you want to argue with that, just wait about four hours and see who is disagreeing with the decision to implement the cover and why.

ah, so it's not the policy that's racist...it's you...we already knew that.

so much white flight code in there...just go ahead and call em what you really want to and be done with it.

That is the EXACT point. I was using "code" just like the city leaders and Beale Street Merchants.

The objective of the cover is to keep out the riff-raff.

The question is: who comprises the "riff-raff?"

And is the cover meant to keep "them" away?

you're the only one saying such things...the city is simply charging a fee to get on the street that you get back in vouchers.

So, what if you just want to walk on Beale and enjoy the street or you just want to drink a coke? Who says everyone will be buying something? Vouchers only have value to those looking to spend money.

then go to Beale anytime that's not Sat after 10pm...

(06-11-2016 11:33 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-11-2016 10:39 AM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 11:44 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 11:41 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 11:28 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  ah, so it's not the policy that's racist...it's you...we already knew that.

so much white flight code in there...just go ahead and call em what you really want to and be done with it.

That is the EXACT point. I was using "code" just like the city leaders and Beale Street Merchants.

The objective of the cover is to keep out the riff-raff.

The question is: who comprises the "riff-raff?"

And is the cover meant to keep "them" away?

you're the only one saying such things...the city is simply charging a fee to get on the street that you get back in vouchers.

So, what if you just want to walk on Beale and enjoy the street or you just want to drink a coke? Who says everyone will be buying something? Vouchers only have value to those looking to spend money.

then go to Beale anytime that's not Sat after 10pm...

bingo

Early reviews today are the program worked extremely well last night. Lot's of good feedback.

(06-09-2016 10:41 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Sounds smart...priority should go to tourists spending money on Beale that boost the economy...not locals 'cruising'

Agreed

(06-11-2016 10:42 AM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 11:47 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  When I first moved to Memphis in 1992, I remember one night I went to BB Kings to see a specific blues artist I had seen advertised. When I got there, I was told the cover was higher than what was advertised. When I asked about it, the doorman told me they had upped the cover charge to "keep the n******s out." I thought that was ironic considering who the club is named after.

It was then that I began to learn that even though my home town Birmingham has the bad history of racism, it is not near as bad as the city I made my new home.

Birmingham is Memphis without the charm. I would disagree and say Birmingham is far more racist. The Bowl game last year made me remember how much I dislike B-ham.

Compton is racist

(06-09-2016 11:47 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  When I first moved to Memphis in 1992, I remember one night I went to BB Kings to see a specific blues artist I had seen advertised. When I got there, I was told the cover was higher than what was advertised. When I asked about it, the doorman told me they had upped the cover charge to "keep the n******s out." I thought that was ironic considering who the club is named after.

It was then that I began to learn that even though my home town Birmingham has the bad history of racism, it is not near as bad as the city I made my new home.

BS

We all know that the "bad" people only come to Beale Street after 10 pm. So, if I am looking to cause problems now, I will just arrive at 9:45 and kill a few minutes before I do my thing...

(06-12-2016 09:44 PM)eltigre Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 11:47 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  When I first moved to Memphis in 1992, I remember one night I went to BB Kings to see a specific blues artist I had seen advertised. When I got there, I was told the cover was higher than what was advertised. When I asked about it, the doorman told me they had upped the cover charge to "keep the n******s out." I thought that was ironic considering who the club is named after.

It was then that I began to learn that even though my home town Birmingham has the bad history of racism, it is not near as bad as the city I made my new home.

BS

What part. First paragraph absolutely happened. Second paragraph is my opinion. Which you might consider BS! But it is my opinion based on my experiences having lived in both cities for many years.

(06-12-2016 09:44 PM)eltigre Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 11:47 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  When I first moved to Memphis in 1992, I remember one night I went to BB Kings to see a specific blues artist I had seen advertised. When I got there, I was told the cover was higher than what was advertised. When I asked about it, the doorman told me they had upped the cover charge to "keep the n******s out." I thought that was ironic considering who the club is named after.

It was then that I began to learn that even though my home town Birmingham has the bad history of racism, it is not near as bad as the city I made my new home.

BS

Second that motion

(06-12-2016 09:44 PM)eltigre Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 11:47 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  When I first moved to Memphis in 1992, I remember one night I went to BB Kings to see a specific blues artist I had seen advertised. When I got there, I was told the cover was higher than what was advertised. When I asked about it, the doorman told me they had upped the cover charge to "keep the n******s out." I thought that was ironic considering who the club is named after.

It was then that I began to learn that even though my home town Birmingham has the bad history of racism, it is not near as bad as the city I made my new home.

BS

yep

(06-09-2016 11:04 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Legal implications will be interesting.

Can a public area be restricted to only citizens who can pay to enter?

Tom Lee Park during Memphis in May.

I had to pay $6 to get onto Jekyll Island this weekend. I was fine with it.

Personally, I think it's a bad idea.

Bandaid rather than cure.

(06-12-2016 06:07 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 10:41 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Sounds smart...priority should go to tourists spending money on Beale that boost the economy...not locals 'cruising'

Agreed

Makes sense to me.

I assume that if you enter Beale Street before 10 PM you pay nothing and stay as long as you want. That would be the logical thing to do if $10 is a big problem.

(06-13-2016 03:27 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  Personally, I think it's a bad idea.

Bandaid rather than cure.

What's the cure?

(06-13-2016 02:22 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 11:04 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Legal implications will be interesting.

Can a public area be restricted to only citizens who can pay to enter?

Tom Lee Park during Memphis in May.

The concept and principle is the same, but it's a month of activities in Tom Lee compared to 52 weekends a year on Beale.

Well, I don't really care much one way or the other, but just for the sake of argument, saying a Memphian who has paid taxes of all kinds here for five decades should have certain hours to come on Beale and should be happy that Beale is making money off the tourists is very akin to saying let the "poor Memphis folks" come to the Zoo on Free Day, which is only 2-5 on Tuesdays, so the tourists can come all the other time and pay a nice admission fee, plus $5 to illegally park on mud and dust in a non-ADA compliant field.

Where are my considerations as a taxpaying, local-business-supporting Memphian?

(06-13-2016 10:48 PM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  Well, I don't really care much one way or the other, but just for the sake of argument, saying a Memphian who has paid taxes of all kinds here for five decades should have certain hours to come on Beale and should be happy that Beale is making money off the tourists is very akin to saying let the "poor Memphis folks" come to the Zoo on Free Day, which is only 2-5 on Tuesdays, so the tourists can come all the other time and pay a nice admission fee, plus $5 to illegally park on mud and dust in a non-ADA compliant field.

Where are my considerations as a taxpaying, local-business-supporting Memphian?

Everybody needs a hobby, I guess...

(06-13-2016 10:48 PM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  Well, I don't really care much one way or the other, but just for the sake of argument, saying a Memphian who has paid taxes of all kinds here for five decades should have certain hours to come on Beale and should be happy that Beale is making money off the tourists is very akin to saying let the "poor Memphis folks" come to the Zoo on Free Day, which is only 2-5 on Tuesdays, so the tourists can come all the other time and pay a nice admission fee, plus $5 to illegally park on mud and dust in a non-ADA compliant field.

Where are my considerations as a taxpaying, local-business-supporting Memphian?

I think you've officially jumped the shark.

The Beale Street Merchants Association (the ones basically making this call) is a business. You don't have free rein to enter a business area any time you feel like it.

If you want to compare this to anything, this is the same as most bars across the city (country) where it's free to enter many hours, but a cover is charged during some peak/live band nights.