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I was able to attend the presentation for the BOV and it was most interesting. I too wanted more than 22,000-ish but the rumor mill pretty well had me prepared for that part before the meeting even started. Phase I looks solid and will make for a much more comfortable game experience for myself and my group (all retired & old). FWIW-I stayed after the presentation and went to the press conferences and did glean a little more info. 1)The overriding issue was how to pay for a new stadium without raising student fees. If anyone wants to stroke a check for 50 million or more they will be happy to go ahead and build to the 30,000 right now. 2)Both Wood S. & Coach Wilder put a lot of emphasis on the fact that the roll out today was for Phase 1 but there is a Phase 2 and as you see in the presentation it already exists and will be built. *I would add that no time line was given but based on their comments I would think if Phase 1 goes as planned and fans keep coming to the games Phase 2 is not that far off. 3)On VA Tech buying out of the future games, (the 2nd series) nope, not going to happen. Selig was asked that question by 2 reporters and reminded them the contract requires us to have a new stadium (which we will by 2019) but stipulated nothing on the size of the new stadium. So the Hokies will be coming whither we are still at 22K or moving on up to 30K just as long as there is a new stadium. Finally, just something for those bigger is better folks to think about... while Phase 2 takes us to 30,000, there is no reason there cannot be a a Phase 3 planned someday, if needed, after Phase 2 is done.
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RE: New Stadium Thread
(06-09-2016 02:32 PM)Monarch Maniac 10 Wrote:  This is eerily similar to the JJ hire reaction.

In 3-4 years, the VAST majority will be happy.

Time will tell. I hope it all ends well, I hope so but man I wouldn't bet on it.
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RE: New Stadium Thread
(06-09-2016 02:12 PM)BigBlue23 Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 12:53 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  I feel like everyone here is glossing over the lead.

We are going to build a new facility without raising student fees! That is a huge accomplishment.

Is everything ideal?! No. But this is what we can afford without further taxing students. The way Populous broke out the different phases I'm sure the admin. has a decent idea what each additional step will cost. Hopefully, because this initial step is affordable some additional features can be added more quickly. Perhaps even privately fundraised (I agree the A/V stuff would be great).

If that is the lead, then near the top of the story should be the soon to be ongoing discussions with the CAA to rejoin them. John Broderick, WS, and BOV did the entire university a disservice with this crap.

This is so similar to the old Blaine Taylor discussion. Some people on here were content winning the CAA every so often and being one and done in the dance. Those are the same people who are saying that playing in a FCS stadium is good for the university. It is good for a FCS university, not for a FBS school.

We have cemented our place as an afterthought in the college athletic landscape.

wow...
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RE: New Stadium Thread
(06-09-2016 02:31 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:30 PM)odu09 Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:12 PM)BigBlue23 Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 12:53 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  I feel like everyone here is glossing over the lead.

We are going to build a new facility without raising student fees! That is a huge accomplishment.

Is everything ideal?! No. But this is what we can afford without further taxing students. The way Populous broke out the different phases I'm sure the admin. has a decent idea what each additional step will cost. Hopefully, because this initial step is affordable some additional features can be added more quickly. Perhaps even privately fundraised (I agree the A/V stuff would be great).

If that is the lead, then near the top of the story should be the soon to be ongoing discussions with the CAA to rejoin them. John Broderick, WS, and BOV did the entire university a disservice with this crap.

This is so similar to the old Blaine Taylor discussion. Some people on here were content winning the CAA every so often and being one and done in the dance. Those are the same people who are saying that playing in a FCS stadium is good for the university. It is good for a FCS university, not for a FBS school.

We have cemented our place as an afterthought in the college athletic landscape.

Yea, let's go back to CAA. Let's host Campbell and Chowan instead of Virginia Tech and NC State. Good talk.

You realize he's saying that's where we're going to end up with this deal not where he wants to be, right?

You realize that thinking we are going to drop back down to FCS after pulling a $50M renovation is a tragically misguided thought, right?
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(06-09-2016 02:32 PM)ETSUDB8-79 Wrote:  I was able to attend the presentation for the BOV and it was most interesting. I too wanted more than 22,000-ish but the rumor mill pretty well had me prepared for that part before the meeting even started. Phase I looks solid and will make for a much more comfortable game experience for myself and my group (all retired & old). FWIW-I stayed after the presentation and went to the press conferences and did glean a little more info. 1)The overriding issue was how to pay for a new stadium without raising student fees. If anyone wants to stroke a check for 50 million or more they will be happy to go ahead and build to the 30,000 right now. 2)Both Wood S. & Coach Wilder put a lot of emphasis on the fact that the roll out today was for Phase 1 but there is a Phase 2 and as you see in the presentation it already exists and will be built. *I would add that no time line was given but based on their comments I would think if Phase 1 goes as planned and fans keep coming to the games Phase 2 is not that far off. 3)On VA Tech buying out of the future games, (the 2nd series) nope, not going to happen. Selig was asked that question by 2 reporters and reminded them the contract requires us to have a new stadium (which we will by 2019) but stipulated nothing on the size of the new stadium. So the Hokies will be coming whither we are still at 22K or moving on up to 30K just as long as there is a new stadium. Finally, just something for those bigger is better folks to think about... while Phase 2 takes us to 30,000, there is no reason there cannot be a a Phase 3 planned someday, if needed, after Phase 2 is done.

thanks for sharing. good info.
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(06-09-2016 02:25 PM)SuiteODU Wrote:  The best I can tell from the study, the initial phase does not include sideline suites. The big money donors are going to be asked to step up to the plate in a capital fundraising campaign which is sure to be underway soon. Additional suites is a major draw for those with deep pockets.

No luxury suites until next phase but phase 1 does include "Patio Suites"
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RE: New Stadium Thread
(06-09-2016 02:34 PM)odu09 Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:31 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:30 PM)odu09 Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:12 PM)BigBlue23 Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 12:53 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  I feel like everyone here is glossing over the lead.

We are going to build a new facility without raising student fees! That is a huge accomplishment.

Is everything ideal?! No. But this is what we can afford without further taxing students. The way Populous broke out the different phases I'm sure the admin. has a decent idea what each additional step will cost. Hopefully, because this initial step is affordable some additional features can be added more quickly. Perhaps even privately fundraised (I agree the A/V stuff would be great).

If that is the lead, then near the top of the story should be the soon to be ongoing discussions with the CAA to rejoin them. John Broderick, WS, and BOV did the entire university a disservice with this crap.

This is so similar to the old Blaine Taylor discussion. Some people on here were content winning the CAA every so often and being one and done in the dance. Those are the same people who are saying that playing in a FCS stadium is good for the university. It is good for a FCS university, not for a FBS school.

We have cemented our place as an afterthought in the college athletic landscape.

Yea, let's go back to CAA. Let's host Campbell and Chowan instead of Virginia Tech and NC State. Good talk.

You realize he's saying that's where we're going to end up with this deal not where he wants to be, right?

You realize that thinking we are going to drop back down to FCS after pulling a $50M renovation is a tragically misguided thought, right?

Agreed, but then you could look at JMU.

Though, I don't think it's egregious to worry that this stadium regulates us to the bottom tier of the G5. It would be the 5th smallest stadium in FBS with no timetable or funding plan for expansion in the near future.
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(06-09-2016 02:32 PM)ETSUDB8-79 Wrote:  I was able to attend the presentation for the BOV and it was most interesting. I too wanted more than 22,000-ish but the rumor mill pretty well had me prepared for that part before the meeting even started. Phase I looks solid and will make for a much more comfortable game experience for myself and my group (all retired & old). FWIW-I stayed after the presentation and went to the press conferences and did glean a little more info. 1)The overriding issue was how to pay for a new stadium without raising student fees. If anyone wants to stroke a check for 50 million or more they will be happy to go ahead and build to the 30,000 right now. 2)Both Wood S. & Coach Wilder put a lot of emphasis on the fact that the roll out today was for Phase 1 but there is a Phase 2 and as you see in the presentation it already exists and will be built. *I would add that no time line was given but based on their comments I would think if Phase 1 goes as planned and fans keep coming to the games Phase 2 is not that far off. 3)On VA Tech buying out of the future games, (the 2nd series) nope, not going to happen. Selig was asked that question by 2 reporters and reminded them the contract requires us to have a new stadium (which we will by 2019) but stipulated nothing on the size of the new stadium. So the Hokies will be coming whither we are still at 22K or moving on up to 30K just as long as there is a new stadium. Finally, just something for those bigger is better folks to think about... while Phase 2 takes us to 30,000, there is no reason there cannot be a a Phase 3 planned someday, if needed, after Phase 2 is done.

Thanks for the info.
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(06-09-2016 02:38 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:34 PM)odu09 Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:31 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:30 PM)odu09 Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:12 PM)BigBlue23 Wrote:  If that is the lead, then near the top of the story should be the soon to be ongoing discussions with the CAA to rejoin them. John Broderick, WS, and BOV did the entire university a disservice with this crap.

This is so similar to the old Blaine Taylor discussion. Some people on here were content winning the CAA every so often and being one and done in the dance. Those are the same people who are saying that playing in a FCS stadium is good for the university. It is good for a FCS university, not for a FBS school.

We have cemented our place as an afterthought in the college athletic landscape.

Yea, let's go back to CAA. Let's host Campbell and Chowan instead of Virginia Tech and NC State. Good talk.

You realize he's saying that's where we're going to end up with this deal not where he wants to be, right?

You realize that thinking we are going to drop back down to FCS after pulling a $50M renovation is a tragically misguided thought, right?

Agreed, but then you could look at JMU.

Though, I don't think it's egregious to worry that this stadium regulates us to the bottom tier of the G5. It would be the 5th smallest stadium in FBS with no timetable or funding plan for expansion in the near future.

Sorry. I guess I am just getting salty from all the "size is the only thing that matters" comments today. I think we are going to be really happy in 2019. I don't think listing our capacity vs others is really telling the full story.
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(06-09-2016 02:43 PM)odu09 Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:38 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:34 PM)odu09 Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:31 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:30 PM)odu09 Wrote:  Yea, let's go back to CAA. Let's host Campbell and Chowan instead of Virginia Tech and NC State. Good talk.

You realize he's saying that's where we're going to end up with this deal not where he wants to be, right?

You realize that thinking we are going to drop back down to FCS after pulling a $50M renovation is a tragically misguided thought, right?

Agreed, but then you could look at JMU.

Though, I don't think it's egregious to worry that this stadium regulates us to the bottom tier of the G5. It would be the 5th smallest stadium in FBS with no timetable or funding plan for expansion in the near future.

Sorry. I guess I am just getting salty from all the "size is the only thing that matters" comments today. I think we are going to be really happy in 2019. I don't think listing our capacity vs others is really telling the full story.

It's going to be a great facility to watch a game in for sure, but I think we're shooting ourselves in the foot in order to get new shoes. It's a great short term proposition that might kill our long term ambitions.
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(06-09-2016 02:46 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:43 PM)odu09 Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:38 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:34 PM)odu09 Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:31 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  You realize he's saying that's where we're going to end up with this deal not where he wants to be, right?

You realize that thinking we are going to drop back down to FCS after pulling a $50M renovation is a tragically misguided thought, right?

Agreed, but then you could look at JMU.

Though, I don't think it's egregious to worry that this stadium regulates us to the bottom tier of the G5. It would be the 5th smallest stadium in FBS with no timetable or funding plan for expansion in the near future.

Sorry. I guess I am just getting salty from all the "size is the only thing that matters" comments today. I think we are going to be really happy in 2019. I don't think listing our capacity vs others is really telling the full story.

It's going to be a great facility to watch a game in for sure, but I think we're shooting ourselves in the foot in order to get new shoes. It's a great short term proposition that might kill our long term ambitions.

read ETSU's post. this 22k is not the end game.
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RE: New Stadium Thread
(06-09-2016 02:33 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:32 PM)Monarch Maniac 10 Wrote:  This is eerily similar to the JJ hire reaction.

In 3-4 years, the VAST majority will be happy.

Time will tell. I hope it all ends well, I hope so but man I wouldn't bet on it.

Your admin is making a HUGE mistake. This isn't basketball where an arena can be smallish but overcome that with awesome amenities. Building at 22K is a disastrously short-sighted decision for you guys that you guys may enjoy in 3-4 years when you have your shiny new stadium, but will ultimately come to regret in 10-15 years when you realize that there isn't a whole lot of room to expand.

Then again, 20K or 30K capacity, with the 9 game ACC schedules on the way, you probably won't be seeing many ACC schools coming by anytime soon regardless.
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(06-09-2016 02:52 PM)vthokie Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:33 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:32 PM)Monarch Maniac 10 Wrote:  This is eerily similar to the JJ hire reaction.

In 3-4 years, the VAST majority will be happy.

Time will tell. I hope it all ends well, I hope so but man I wouldn't bet on it.

Your admin is making a HUGE mistake. This isn't basketball where an arena can be smallish but overcome that with awesome amenities. Building at 22K is a disastrously short-sighted decision for you guys that you guys may enjoy in 3-4 years when you have your shiny new stadium, but will ultimately come to regret in 10-15 years when you realize that there isn't a whole lot of room to expand.

Then again, 20K or 30K capacity, with the 9 game ACC schedules on the way, you probably won't be seeing many ACC schools coming by anytime soon regardless.

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I'm not sure I understand the fixation with size. People are already bitching about being gouged for money ... so who is going to pay for this larger stadium?

We aren't paying 55 million for 2000 seats. We are paying 55 million to replace our 1930 vintage Model T with a 2019 entry level luxury car.

I can tell you that if we didn't get a new, more comfortable stadium soon I probably would give up my season tickets annual donations.
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RE: New Stadium Thread
(06-09-2016 02:52 PM)vthokie Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:33 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:32 PM)Monarch Maniac 10 Wrote:  This is eerily similar to the JJ hire reaction.

In 3-4 years, the VAST majority will be happy.

Time will tell. I hope it all ends well, I hope so but man I wouldn't bet on it.

Your admin is making a HUGE mistake. This isn't basketball where an arena can be smallish but overcome that with awesome amenities. Building at 22K is a disastrously short-sighted decision for you guys that you guys may enjoy in 3-4 years when you have your shiny new stadium, but will ultimately come to regret in 10-15 years when you realize that there isn't a whole lot of room to expand.

Then again, 20K or 30K capacity, with the 9 game ACC schedules on the way, you probably won't be seeing many ACC schools coming by anytime soon regardless.

Appreciate the comments. But not everybody here is pleased with the decision.
Had the student fee rules not been changed I'm sure ODU would be looking at a different stadium right now. The school is playing the cards it is dealt.
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(06-09-2016 02:55 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:52 PM)vthokie Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:33 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:32 PM)Monarch Maniac 10 Wrote:  This is eerily similar to the JJ hire reaction.

In 3-4 years, the VAST majority will be happy.

Time will tell. I hope it all ends well, I hope so but man I wouldn't bet on it.

Your admin is making a HUGE mistake. This isn't basketball where an arena can be smallish but overcome that with awesome amenities. Building at 22K is a disastrously short-sighted decision for you guys that you guys may enjoy in 3-4 years when you have your shiny new stadium, but will ultimately come to regret in 10-15 years when you realize that there isn't a whole lot of room to expand.

Then again, 20K or 30K capacity, with the 9 game ACC schedules on the way, you probably won't be seeing many ACC schools coming by anytime soon regardless.

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(06-09-2016 02:52 PM)vthokie Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:33 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:32 PM)Monarch Maniac 10 Wrote:  This is eerily similar to the JJ hire reaction.

In 3-4 years, the VAST majority will be happy.

Time will tell. I hope it all ends well, I hope so but man I wouldn't bet on it.

Your admin is making a HUGE mistake. This isn't basketball where an arena can be smallish but overcome that with awesome amenities. Building at 22K is a disastrously short-sighted decision for you guys that you guys may enjoy in 3-4 years when you have your shiny new stadium, but will ultimately come to regret in 10-15 years when you realize that there isn't a whole lot of room to expand.

Then again, 20K or 30K capacity, with the 9 game ACC schedules on the way, you probably won't be seeing many ACC schools coming by anytime soon regardless.

Phase 1 = 22K, Phase 2 = 30K, and at the press conf. it was noted there is no reason after 1 & 2 are done we could not have a Phase 3. Oh, and NC State came to the one we have now as are others. The ACC teams are not coming for our stadium anyway they are coming to recruit the 757 and that will not change.
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(06-09-2016 02:55 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:52 PM)vthokie Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:33 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:32 PM)Monarch Maniac 10 Wrote:  This is eerily similar to the JJ hire reaction.

In 3-4 years, the VAST majority will be happy.

Time will tell. I hope it all ends well, I hope so but man I wouldn't bet on it.

Your admin is making a HUGE mistake. This isn't basketball where an arena can be smallish but overcome that with awesome amenities. Building at 22K is a disastrously short-sighted decision for you guys that you guys may enjoy in 3-4 years when you have your shiny new stadium, but will ultimately come to regret in 10-15 years when you realize that there isn't a whole lot of room to expand.

Then again, 20K or 30K capacity, with the 9 game ACC schedules on the way, you probably won't be seeing many ACC schools coming by anytime soon regardless.

SCOREBOARD!

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I laughed to myself when I read this post lolol
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(06-09-2016 02:46 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:43 PM)odu09 Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:38 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:34 PM)odu09 Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 02:31 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  You realize he's saying that's where we're going to end up with this deal not where he wants to be, right?

You realize that thinking we are going to drop back down to FCS after pulling a $50M renovation is a tragically misguided thought, right?

Agreed, but then you could look at JMU.

Though, I don't think it's egregious to worry that this stadium regulates us to the bottom tier of the G5. It would be the 5th smallest stadium in FBS with no timetable or funding plan for expansion in the near future.

Sorry. I guess I am just getting salty from all the "size is the only thing that matters" comments today. I think we are going to be really happy in 2019. I don't think listing our capacity vs others is really telling the full story.

It's going to be a great facility to watch a game in for sure, but I think we're shooting ourselves in the foot in order to get new shoes. It's a great short term proposition that might kill our long term ambitions.
Please don't misunderstand my post as a desire to be in the CAA nor any other FCS conference. But I think that we made a short sighted decision. And though VThokie had possibly the single worst post I can ever recall during this thread (sharing a stadium with NSU...stop drinking my man), he actually has a valid point on regretting this.

Size matters in many aspects of life. There is not a conference that is a step up that won't look at the stadium capacity as a MAJOR knock on us. And I am of the belief that either the NCAA will not exist in its current format in 10 years (P5's will break away) or CUSA will not be sustainable. Our stadium decision puts us in a tough spot when/if that day comes.
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Nobody is saying 22k is the size forever. It's just phase 1. Phase 2 could be started in 2 years. We HAD TO DO THIS WITHOUT RAISING STUDENT FEEs. This was how they had to do it.
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