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(06-10-2016 05:08 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 09:02 AM)JMUrcc06 Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 09:00 AM)Rock House Duke Wrote:  UNC played two FCS teams last year. ( NC A&T, Delaware). That is why no one gave them a shot to make the playoffs prior to the ACC Championship game against undefeated Clemson. Pundits were saying even if UNC pulled off the conference upset they would most likely miss the playoffs bc the committee puts so much significance towards OCC and strength of schedule.

correct - which only furthers my point that they should and could have bought us out... makes no sense to me. regardless, I'll be there with 7 in purple and 1 in that tacky blue.

At $600,000.00 they will not be buying anyone out. Again, our deal was signed long after The Citadel's contract was in place. Our first game down there we brought a lot of fans, but that game was over six minutes into the first quarter which I believe was a big deterrent from us bringing a good crowd for that second game. I just hope it's not an early kickoff, those things kill the attendance.

UNC's offense is loaded. This game might be over in six minutes too.
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(06-09-2016 08:03 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
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(06-09-2016 10:40 AM)Yesolitis Wrote:  We have a tremendous amount to fix on defense. JMU's talent overcomes against lesser competition, but against the top 15 or so FCS and any FBS, we are Swiss Cheese.

I agree that Vad Lee's departure should not get overblown, but he did overshadow a creeping problem in piss poor defense. I hope it had to do more with coaching/scheming than players - Wither's track record would suggest as much. However, even if that is the case, it may take 1-2 years to correct player instincts based on how they have been coached to date.

I'm sure you former football players can better elaborate on that issue and a reasonable time frame for "fixing" a leaky defense.

JMU's preseason ranking is right about where I would have put them, solidly in the 13-18 range IMO. Potential to get higher, talent to get higher, but holes to fill in critical spots that leaves one not convinced this team can make a deep run yet.

This I fully expect our defense to be way better then last year's. The scheme wasn't a fit for our personnel and our new staff has fixed the scheme. Bob Trott the new DC has decades of experience and knows how to get the best out of this players.

TBH my biggest fear is the QB play, of we can have reasonable play from Schor then I feel a similar season to last year (minus the playoff debacle) is at hand. I seem to recall posters who watched spring practice saying Schor was doing a good job and showed improvement.

Agreed.

The bad news was JMU was 10th in Total Defense/11th Scoring. CAA games only it was worse- 11th Total defense, dead last 12th Scoring.
The good news was the problem appeared to be more Xs and Os rather than Jimmies and Joes. Almost all the Jimmies and Joes are returning, and there is a good chance the Xs and Os will be fixed at least somewhat.

-Only starting seniors on the defense were DL Alex Mosely (2nd team All CAA) and Xavier Gates. Only were 3 seniors on the entire 2 deep.
Among the starters returning you have:
1st team All CAA DE Andrew Ankrah
1st team Alll CAA CB Taylor Reynolds
2nd team All CAA S Raven Greene
Looking at the 2nd team defense from the last game notes was 10 freshmen & sophmores and 1 senior Ascene Jacques.
Plus you have Moreland returning.

-No exclusive hurry up offense which put so much strain on the defense.
-Going back to the 4-2-5 that JMU ran with so much success under MM
-You have to assume better coaching.

I expect a huge improvement from the defense. Stats wise maybe not top 3 in the CAA, but at least mid pack if not top half.
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RE: Preseason top 25
(06-09-2016 08:03 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 10:44 AM)CISDuke2014 Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 10:40 AM)Yesolitis Wrote:  We have a tremendous amount to fix on defense. JMU's talent overcomes against lesser competition, but against the top 15 or so FCS and any FBS, we are Swiss Cheese.

I agree that Vad Lee's departure should not get overblown, but he did overshadow a creeping problem in piss poor defense. I hope it had to do more with coaching/scheming than players - Wither's track record would suggest as much. However, even if that is the case, it may take 1-2 years to correct player instincts based on how they have been coached to date.

I'm sure you former football players can better elaborate on that issue and a reasonable time frame for "fixing" a leaky defense.

JMU's preseason ranking is right about where I would have put them, solidly in the 13-18 range IMO. Potential to get higher, talent to get higher, but holes to fill in critical spots that leaves one not convinced this team can make a deep run yet.

This I fully expect our defense to be way better then last year's. The scheme wasn't a fit for our personnel and our new staff has fixed the scheme. Bob Trott the new DC has decades of experience and knows how to get the best out of this players.

TBH my biggest fear is the QB play, of we can have reasonable play from Schor then I feel a similar season to last year (minus the playoff debacle) is at hand. I seem to recall posters who watched spring practice saying Schor was doing a good job and showed improvement.

Agreed.

The bad news was JMU was 10th in Total Defense/11th Scoring. CAA games only it was worse- 11th Total defense, dead last 12th Scoring.
The good news was the problem appeared to be more Xs and Os rather than Jimmies and Joes. Almost all the Jimmies and Joes are returning, and there is a good chance the Xs and Os will be fixed at least somewhat.

-Only starting seniors on the defense were DL Alex Mosely (2nd team All CAA) and Xavier Gates. Only were 3 seniors on the entire 2 deep.
Among the starters returning you have:
1st team All CAA DE Andrew Ankrah
1st team Alll CAA CB Taylor Reynolds
2nd team All CAA S Raven Greene
Looking at the 2nd team defense from the last game notes was 10 freshmen & sophmores and 1 senior Ascene Jacques.
Plus you have Moreland returning.

-No exclusive hurry up offense which put so much strain on the defense.
-Going back to the 4-2-5 that JMU ran with so much success under MM
-You have to assume better coaching.

I expect a huge improvement from the defense. Stats wise maybe not top 3 in the CAA, but at least mid pack if not top half.
X's and O's weren't the problem last year. Execution was. Prior year recruiting was weak. Lay it on the the coaches. Surprised Bowers is still there, smells fishy. He wasn't helpful. Should've been a clean sweep on the D staff. Hope Trott does well given what he has to work with. Don't expect huge improvement. Book it.
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(06-09-2016 10:40 AM)Yesolitis Wrote:  We have a tremendous amount to fix on defense. JMU's talent overcomes against lesser competition, but against the top 15 or so FCS and any FBS, we are Swiss Cheese.

I agree that Vad Lee's departure should not get overblown, but he did overshadow a creeping problem in piss poor defense. I hope it had to do more with coaching/scheming than players - Wither's track record would suggest as much. However, even if that is the case, it may take 1-2 years to correct player instincts based on how they have been coached to date.

I'm sure you former football players can better elaborate on that issue and a reasonable time frame for "fixing" a leaky defense.

JMU's preseason ranking is right about where I would have put them, solidly in the 13-18 range IMO. Potential to get higher, talent to get higher, but holes to fill in critical spots that leaves one not convinced this team can make a deep run yet.
I think Withers had put too much on their plate, and I'm no sure if he had good schemes were very good.
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Hot Rod:

What do you think about the previous posters comments on recruiting and our defensive talent level? Based on what I saw at the spring game, I came away with hope that we would be much improved on the defensive side of the ball.
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SQZJMU72 : I think JMU retaining Bowers was not only smart, but also a classy move. He kept the recruiting class together when Withers and his coaches were gone.
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(06-11-2016 10:10 AM)Purple Reign Wrote:  SQZJMU72 : I think JMU retaining Bowers was not only smart, but also a classy move. He kept the recruiting class together when Withers and his coaches were gone.

Maybe a temporary benefit. But, Bowers is not, IMO, a coach that will add value to Trott's defensive staff.
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(06-11-2016 07:21 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Hot Rod:

What do you think about the previous posters comments on recruiting and our defensive talent level? Based on what I saw at the spring game, I came away with hope that we would be much improved on the defensive side of the ball.

Our two previous head coaches were great recruiters , we are two deep at some very critical positions besides QB. I don't expect it to be pretty the first few games but we will be very competitive with each other and other teams come Aug.
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HR: Do you think JMU has a team that can go deep in the playoffs? What do you see as our weaknesses?
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(06-11-2016 09:21 PM)SQZJMU72 Wrote:  
(06-11-2016 10:10 AM)Purple Reign Wrote:  SQZJMU72 : I think JMU retaining Bowers was not only smart, but also a classy move. He kept the recruiting class together when Withers and his coaches were gone.

Maybe a temporary benefit. But, Bowers is not, IMO, a coach that will add value to Trott's defensive staff.

Prior to his return to JMU, he was a recruiting assistant at Ohio State for the 2013 season and had previously been an assistant coach at Bothell High School in Washington. He has spent his coaching career at both the high school and college ranks, including collegiate stints at Western Washington, Bowling Green, Eastern Michigan, Kent State, Eastern Illinois, Illinois State, Austin Peay, Shepherd College and Washington & Lee.
Looks like a nice resume to me! Go Dukes!!!
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RE: Preseason top 25
(06-11-2016 11:40 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  
(06-11-2016 07:21 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Hot Rod:

What do you think about the previous posters comments on recruiting and our defensive talent level? Based on what I saw at the spring game, I came away with hope that we would be much improved on the defensive side of the ball.

Our two previous head coaches were great recruiters , we are two deep at some very critical positions besides QB. I don't expect it to be pretty the first few games but we will be very competitive with each other and other teams come Aug.

Which means its good that the 1st 3 games are cupcake @ JMU, cupcake @ JMU, JMU @ UNC. Hopefully after the 1st 3 games & a 2-1 start most of the "ugly" has been worked out..
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(06-12-2016 05:12 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(06-11-2016 11:40 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  
(06-11-2016 07:21 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Hot Rod:

What do you think about the previous posters comments on recruiting and our defensive talent level? Based on what I saw at the spring game, I came away with hope that we would be much improved on the defensive side of the ball.

Our two previous head coaches were great recruiters , we are two deep at some very critical positions besides QB. I don't expect it to be pretty the first few games but we will be very competitive with each other and other teams come Aug.

Which means its good that the 1st 3 games are cupcake @ JMU, cupcake @ JMU, JMU @ UNC. Hopefully after the 1st 3 games & a 2-1 start most of the "ugly" has been worked out..

BDK, I do agree with you that we are a bit fortunate the schedule is what it is this season, with a new coach and all that goes with it, it has worked to our situation nicely, however, it still stinks.

ND is ND, Alabama is Alabama, and TX is TX, a schedule is made and the coach has to play the cards he is dealt. The athletic director sets the schedule without knowing who the coach is or who it will be by the time the game is played. The point is, "We are JMU" and I expect more from the Dukes FB opponents than what we are being given. JB has very, very weak negotiating skills and aspirations for our OOC play. His scheduling philosophy simply does not match mine.
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Correct...too much BS tinkering and gaming it for wins...play tough competition anytime...makes you better.
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(06-09-2016 09:52 AM)Potomac Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 09:25 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  EWU has an absolutely brutal start to the season. They could easily be 0-3.
I think our ranking is about right. We have a lot to prove this year. I think we have the potential to be top 5. Still concerned at QB, but I hope he has developed a lot since last year.


When they fail to make the playoffs this year by starting 0-3 and then their big sky schedule, will their fans on message boards say, "well at least we challenged ourselves?".

Exactly......and neither would this message board if JMU loaded the schedule like that.
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This post season projection has the CAA tying the record at 5... if UNH could even get close, we all know the committee favors continuing their string of consecutive appearances, it would be a record 6 teams.

http://athlonsports.com/college-football...fiers-2016
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(06-10-2016 05:08 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  
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(06-09-2016 09:00 AM)Rock House Duke Wrote:  UNC played two FCS teams last year. ( NC A&T, Delaware). That is why no one gave them a shot to make the playoffs prior to the ACC Championship game against undefeated Clemson. Pundits were saying even if UNC pulled off the conference upset they would most likely miss the playoffs bc the committee puts so much significance towards OCC and strength of schedule.

correct - which only furthers my point that they should and could have bought us out... makes no sense to me. regardless, I'll be there with 7 in purple and 1 in that tacky blue.

At $600,000.00 they will not be buying anyone out. Again, our deal was signed long after The Citadel's contract was in place. Our first game down there we brought a lot of fans, but that game was over six minutes into the first quarter which I believe was a big deterrent from us bringing a good crowd for that second game. I just hope it's not an early kickoff, those things kill the attendance.


3:30PM start time, will be televised on RSN ( Raycom Sports Network )
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(06-21-2016 11:18 PM)UNC_Blue Wrote:  
(06-10-2016 05:08 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 09:02 AM)JMUrcc06 Wrote:  
(06-09-2016 09:00 AM)Rock House Duke Wrote:  UNC played two FCS teams last year. ( NC A&T, Delaware). That is why no one gave them a shot to make the playoffs prior to the ACC Championship game against undefeated Clemson. Pundits were saying even if UNC pulled off the conference upset they would most likely miss the playoffs bc the committee puts so much significance towards OCC and strength of schedule.

correct - which only furthers my point that they should and could have bought us out... makes no sense to me. regardless, I'll be there with 7 in purple and 1 in that tacky blue.

At $600,000.00 they will not be buying anyone out. Again, our deal was signed long after The Citadel's contract was in place. Our first game down there we brought a lot of fans, but that game was over six minutes into the first quarter which I believe was a big deterrent from us bringing a good crowd for that second game. I just hope it's not an early kickoff, those things kill the attendance.


3:30PM start time, will be televised on RSN ( Raycom Sports Network )

That's not a bad starting time at all. This is great news. Our fan base can easily make a day trip out of it with the majority coming from NOVA and Richmond. With a noon kick-off or a night game either would require an overnight. With it being 3:30, fans have the option of getting some lodging or not. Plus, the second half will be cooling off a little.
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I'll be spending the night on Saturday. Get some time in on Franklin Street that evening. Top of the Hill is always nice. I'm sure there are some other great spots.
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(06-08-2016 10:12 PM)CISDuke2014 Wrote:  Athlon released their preseason polls today and surprise surprise NDSU is once again atop the rankings. JMU comes in at 14th (finished at 11th last year). The CAA has 5 trams ranked starting with RU @ 4, W&M 13th, JMU 14th, Towson 18th, and VU 20th.

We all know JMU returns a lot this year and I am glad to see that the loss of Vad wasn't blown out of proportion by the rankings. I think 14th is very fair for what we return and a new coaching staff, some people are unsure of us but recognize our potential.

https://athlonsports.com/college-footbal...op-25-2016

2+ week old news. Athlons, the day after posting their pre season top 25, posted the preir season AA team. Kirsch and Ankrah both on it. Nice to see them get the recognition.
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