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Quote:This would be a teeth-gnashing moment for those who believe nine league games would curtail marquee non-conference matchups.

But if ACC schools want a channel, in whatever form that may be, and coinciding revenue bump, this is a change they would be wise to make.

(Not as pressing, but related: Some ACC basketball coaches, led by Notre Dame's Mike Brey, advocate expanding the league schedule from 18 to 20 games. They believe this would enhance teams' NCAA tournament credentials, with the added benefit of creating more content for ESPN.)

The conference last addressed the eight/nine football question at its 2014 spring meetings, and it was a most lively debate, with the status-quo eight prevailing 8-6. Virginia Tech athletic director Whit Babcock, mere months onto the job, voted with the majority, his Virginia counterpart, Craig Littlepage, the minority.

I don't mind the basketball increase from 18 to 20 games. You have to wonder though about the Big 12 info that just came out. Didn't they just pay a company to explore various scenarios? Didn't that company come back with a recommendation that an eight game schedule with a championship game provides best chance to get team in CFP?

I understand conferences are trying to get a better, more similar comparison for the CFP committee, but the 9 game schedule flys in the face of the Big 12 research.

Just a tough call.

this would be a terrible decision they should see if they can implement it for this season ASAP

If it's your year to play ND and you're one of the schools that has an annual rivalry game (Clemson, FSU, GT, UL), that leaves only one open spot.

Plus wouldn't a move to 9 conference games reduce the amount of league content, seeing as ACC teams typically play more OOC games at home than on the road?

(06-08-2016 09:35 PM)Dasville Wrote:  I don't mind the basketball increase from 18 to 20 games. You have to wonder though about the Big 12 info that just came out. Didn't they just pay a company to explore various scenarios? Didn't that company come back with a recommendation that an eight game schedule with a championship game provides best chance to get team in CFP?

I understand conferences are trying to get a better, more similar comparison for the CFP committee, but the 9 game schedule flys in the face of the Big 12 research.

Just a tough call.

The TV partners rather each conference play fewer cupcakes and more games people are actually interested in watching. Yes, you have a better shot at going undefeated playing an easy schedule but in the case of a tie you are getting jumped and you run the risk of being jumped by a one loss team with a much tougher schedule.

(06-08-2016 09:50 PM)Chappy Wrote:  If it's your year to play ND and you're one of the schools that has an annual rivalry game (Clemson, FSU, GT, UL), that leaves only one open spot.

Yeah but you have a great schedule. I think every conference should have 9 conference games and the P5 should all do away with FCS games. How good would the SEC have done in the BCS era with that requirement? No more mid November FCS cupcakes to rest their players.

(06-08-2016 09:52 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Plus wouldn't a move to 9 conference games reduce the amount of league content, seeing as ACC teams typically play more OOC games at home than on the road?

No, since the conference owns the rights to all the home games it means all of those games are carried anyway. It does away with the home buy games of FCS teams if they go the B1G route. if they don't go that route then it increases home games sine they still have all of those games too.

(06-08-2016 09:45 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  this would be a terrible decision they should see if they can implement it for this season ASAP

Well, the Big 12 is also ignoring the research. The thing is, perhaps they have to. They signed up for the 9 game schedule and their revenue reflects that.
The reason it's a tough call for the ACC is because it is a choice between revenue or the most optimum odds to get to the CFP.....

Tough call.

(06-08-2016 09:56 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 09:52 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Plus wouldn't a move to 9 conference games reduce the amount of league content, seeing as ACC teams typically play more OOC games at home than on the road?

No, since the conference owns the rights to all the home games it means all of those games are carried anyway. It does away with the home buy games of FCS teams if they go the B1G route. if they don't go that route then it increases home games sine they still have all of those games too.

two conference members each playing OOC 1 home and 1 away game two seasons in a row results in the same overall media content as those teams playing each other two years in a row

two conference members playing each other is one game per season

those same two members playing one OOC home game and one OOC away game two seasons in a row is still one game per season provided they are opposite of each other

if those two members are both playing a buy in game each of those two years that is 4 games the media partners would own

if that gets replaced with a conference game the media partners lose a net of two games over 2 seasons one per season

(06-08-2016 09:57 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 09:45 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  this would be a terrible decision they should see if they can implement it for this season ASAP

Well, the Big 12 is also ignoring the research. The thing is, perhaps they have to. They signed up for the 9 game schedule and their revenue reflects that.
The reason it's a tough call for the ACC is because it is a choice between revenue or the most optimum odds to get to the CFP.....

Tough call.

the Big 12 is actually starting to look at the data carefully especially as it relates to the CCG

I listened to the press conference again earlier and late in the press conference when Bowlsby was ask specifically about how much of an increase in chance there was to make the playoffs with the addition of a CCG he clearly stated "that depends on how many conference games we play" and that it is "up to 14%"

and he was not saying that in context of the addition of more teams he answered the question strictly on the basis of what increase in chance the CCG game gave them and his answer was clear it was related to the number of conference games played and he did not preface that with any "and how many conference members we have"

That would suck badly for the ACC. Spin masters can tell me how this is good, but I see this as a bad sign. Tell me how I'm wrong. I'll kick back and read it.
Cheers!

(06-08-2016 10:15 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  That would suck badly for the ACC. Spin masters can tell me how this is good, but I see this as a bad sign. Tell me how I'm wrong. I'll kick back and read it.
Cheers!

SEC would be the only conference with an eight game schedule.

I think they are sort of it in a similar situation as the PAC. Their conference schedule is fine/good. But their OOC doesn't' draw the eyeballs when they don't play other solid programs. 9 games in conference makes 9 fine/good games...but they need to improve the OOC.

And since few ACC schools make BANK on home games (ala OSU, PSU, UM, UT, UF, UGA), their league can make more money by having better OOC games for TV revenue than by having patsy non-con games like the heavy hitters in the Big Ten/SEC/Big 12 can get away with.

(06-08-2016 10:25 PM)Dasville Wrote:  SEC would be the only conference with an eight game schedule.

If they are the only P5 with 8 games, that's going to have a impact on the "perception" of schedule strength. I bet SEC folks will get tired of being dinged for "weaker" schedules...when that is currently their biggest pride. It'll push them to adapt a 9-game schedule as well within a few more years.

I'm all for a 9 game league schedule

This thread won't end well.

I'm for a 9 game football schedule, but I understand and sympathize with those who oppose it, because I'm against a long basketball schedule. Like FSU, Clemson, and GT football, Syracuse has too many great OOC bb rivalries that would go away w/ a long schedule.

(06-08-2016 09:54 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 09:50 PM)Chappy Wrote:  If it's your year to play ND and you're one of the schools that has an annual rivalry game (Clemson, FSU, GT, UL), that leaves only one open spot.

Yeah but you have a great schedule. I think every conference should have 9 conference games and the P5 should all do away with FCS games. How good would the SEC have done in the BCS era with that requirement? No more mid November FCS cupcakes to rest their players.

The fact that you're a Rutgers fan makes this comment awesome.

(06-08-2016 09:50 PM)Chappy Wrote:  If it's your year to play ND and you're one of the schools that has an annual rivalry game (Clemson, FSU, GT, UL), that leaves only one open spot.

Schools play 12 games now.

FSU has a pro ACC leadership. This is the one move that firmly pushes them from ever signing a GOR extension again.

I'm for it.

(06-08-2016 09:15 PM)Wedge Wrote:  http://www.dailypress.com/sports/teel-bl...-post.html

Quote:This would be a teeth-gnashing moment for those who believe nine league games would curtail marquee non-conference matchups.

But if ACC schools want a channel, in whatever form that may be, and coinciding revenue bump, this is a change they would be wise to make.

(Not as pressing, but related: Some ACC basketball coaches, led by Notre Dame's Mike Brey, advocate expanding the league schedule from 18 to 20 games. They believe this would enhance teams' NCAA tournament credentials, with the added benefit of creating more content for ESPN.)

The conference last addressed the eight/nine football question at its 2014 spring meetings, and it was a most lively debate, with the status-quo eight prevailing 8-6. Virginia Tech athletic director Whit Babcock, mere months onto the job, voted with the majority, his Virginia counterpart, Craig Littlepage, the minority.

They have to create some T3 that hasn't already been sold. Bumping a G5 game or lower off of the schedule kind of does that, since William & Mary vs a Carolina School or a Virginia school or Citadel vs Clemson doesn't really sell to the TV audience.

The SEC will eventually move to 9 as well. But for the SEC it will happen when they want a bump in pay. They are holding out on this issue for a content leveraged boost.

BTW: It is issues like this one that have Florida State / Florida and Clemson / South Carolina worried. The more conferences up the number of their conference games for TV revenue the more home and home out of conference rivalries are threatened. And that's not good for any of those 4 schools' ticket priority sales, nor is it good for the game in general. But it will be done none the less.