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(06-09-2016 10:15 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  

(06-09-2016 10:00 PM)Hopeful Wrote:  I think that's the only way to conduct these things in an appropriate matter. If someone comes up and says something happened to them, then you have act on it good faith. I'm not saying you go DEFCON 1, but the alternatives don't help anyone at all.

Her complaint is that UAB didn't remove him from classes or buildings that she was in. if he was innocent (and I don't know if that is the case) then how is it right that someone falsely accused has to take themselves out of their classes.

The fact is the article doesn't give enough info and those quick to blame the admin is doing so without the complete story.

Disagree. The complaint is that the only person required to alter their behavior was the alleged victim.

While we do not have all the facts of the case that allegation alone is going to get you a Title IX investigation every time. I'm sure counsel felt that since it did not happen on campus their liability was limited but that's just being tone deaf.

If both parties were students at the time, it is absolutely in the realm of the university's responsibility, regardless of where the incident took place. You have to follow the written guidelines in place, period. CYA.

There will be an investigation as to whether UAB did anything wrong. Everyone already condemning UAB is jumping the gun because you don't like Watts.

If I understand the article, UAB ruled against her in the investigation. Maybe they did a bad job, or maybe they acted accordingly and this is her next legal recourse.

I'm just not ready to blast the university based on allegations until a judge says they were wrong.

The university is in a bad spot here. Without an investigation and facts, you cannot just assume anything anybody says is true. It is perfectly reasonable to me to ask her to avoid contact with he person the complaint was filed against. If he is guilty, yes it sucks that she was inconvienced for months, but she was not going to hurt her case by avoiding this person.

If he was falsely accused, and the university forced him to avoid going here or there for months, what do you think he does at the end of it all? You probably have another lawsuit.

I understand the student being upset, especially if she was the victim, but I don't really know what she wanted the university to do. Were any criminal charges filed here? It doesn't sound like that's the case, but if they were, that changes things in my opinion.

(06-10-2016 09:40 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  The university is in a bad spot here. Without an investigation and facts, you cannot just assume anything anybody says is true. It is perfectly reasonable to me to ask her to avoid contact with he person the complaint was filed against. If he is guilty, yes it sucks that she was inconvienced for months, but she was not going to hurt her case by avoiding this person.

This is also not a tenable way to approach the situation.

It sucks, it's a tough thing to try to navigate (which is why I'm not in university administration) but there are ways to handle it without screwing over the accused until they're found guilty while also not putting all of the burden on the victim

(06-10-2016 09:42 AM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(06-10-2016 09:40 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  The university is in a bad spot here. Without an investigation and facts, you cannot just assume anything anybody says is true. It is perfectly reasonable to me to ask her to avoid contact with he person the complaint was filed against. If he is guilty, yes it sucks that she was inconvienced for months, but she was not going to hurt her case by avoiding this person.

This is also not a tenable way to approach the situation.

It sucks, it's a tough thing to try to navigate (which is why I'm not in university administration) but there are ways to handle it without screwing over the accused until they're found guilty while also not putting all of the burden on the victim

I'm definitely not saying this is the best approach, but I don't think it is an absolutely unreasonable one either. There are plenty of times where a no contact burden falls on the victim.(divorces with abusive spouses come to mind). The reason for this is that any contact can be used against your case. I completely agree that it is a tough thing to navigate, and I'm glad I'm not the one having to figure out how to handle it, it just doesn't feel like UAB completely screwed this one up in my mind.

This story is actually four months old, unless something new has come up to attract the attention of Weld.

The week after the UT/Peyton Manning suit (Feb 2016), dozens of similar complaints were made towards universities across the nation. It was coordinated Title IX campaign by some national legal rights orginization or another if I remember correctly.

I'm not saying there may not be merit after witnessing how some other similar issues were handled by Dr. Pumpkinhead and his minions, but it seems more opportunistic when the issue was not raised until it was included in a mass of complaints nationwide.

(06-10-2016 07:23 AM)UABslant Wrote:  If both parties were students at the time, it is absolutely in the realm of the university's responsibility, regardless of where the incident took place. You have to follow the written guidelines in place, period. CYA.

Exactly. Title IX is a federal law that lays out how such cases are to be handled. That's why universities have an administrator, often called the "Title IX Officer," specifically tasked with handling these issues.

Every member of our community deserves to be treated with dignity and respect. I remember the arrogant, scornful individual we saw addressing the football team on 2 December 2014. "You've been here what, two, three years? I've been here for forty-two years ..."

Fire Ray Watts.