(06-08-2016 12:09 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 11:45 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 11:20 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 10:33 AM)rosewater Wrote:  Boise State will never go to a power conference. There endowment is so low that a recession would bankrupt the school.

I don't think they will get a full invite. Just football only just to sell tickets. Boise State is in the PAC 12 for wrestling. So it do work. Where will Boise State place their Olympic's sports? WAC?

Texas and Oklahoma will not be in any league with Boise State....the Big XII will stay as is or both will be in other P5 leagues

It's funny how the guy picked 2nd to last in the dodgeball tourney feels they can talk intelligently about the last guy getting picked.

Actually i can....Texas didn't want us either and still would rather be last one in than 1st on out...just lucky that Maryland took the B1G offer..

If Texas and Oklahoma bail out on the Big 12, it will still be a P5 conference! New big 16:

Connecticut
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Memphis
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida
Houston

Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Texas Christian
Texas Tech
BYU
Boise

In fact this would a better conference for all involved!

(06-08-2016 12:16 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 10:33 AM)rosewater Wrote:  Boise State will never go to a power conference. There endowment is so low that a recession would bankrupt the school.

Boise has an endowment of $88 mil. That's good isn't it? I mean UCF is a serious Big 12 candidate and their endowment is only $155 million. They are in the ball park of another Big 12 expansion candidate, endowment wise.
Cheers!

Not by a long shot. Harvard has an endowment of $1.736M per student. They have 21k students.

(06-08-2016 02:08 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  If Texas and Oklahoma bail out on the Big 12, it will still be a P5 conference! New big 16:

Connecticut
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Memphis
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida
Houston

Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Texas Christian
Texas Tech
BYU
Boise

In fact this would a better conference for all involved!

The thing is if Texas & OU leave in about 8 years Oklahoma State, TCU, WVU and Kansas are right behind them

(06-08-2016 03:21 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 02:08 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  If Texas and Oklahoma bail out on the Big 12, it will still be a P5 conference! New big 16:

Connecticut
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Memphis
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida
Houston

Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Texas Christian
Texas Tech
BYU
Boise

In fact this would a better conference for all involved!

The thing is if Texas & OU leave in about 8 years Oklahoma State, TCU, WVU and Kansas are right behind them

As UCONN fans know, someone actually has to want you in order for you to go anywhere. Kansas theoretically should be fine...theoretically. The rest you mentioned...good luck with that.

(06-08-2016 06:23 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 03:21 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 02:08 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  If Texas and Oklahoma bail out on the Big 12, it will still be a P5 conference! New big 16:

Connecticut
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Memphis
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida
Houston

Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Texas Christian
Texas Tech
BYU
Boise

In fact this would a better conference for all involved!

The thing is if Texas & OU leave in about 8 years Oklahoma State, TCU, WVU and Kansas are right behind them

As UCONN fans know, someone actually has to want you in order for you to go anywhere. Kansas theoretically should be fine...theoretically. The rest you mentioned...good luck with that.

Fair point but I could see the SEC/ACC go after WVU ...UConn and Cincinnati IMO should be the next call up if expansion happens followed by in no order UCF, USF, BYU, Houston and Memphis

(06-08-2016 02:12 PM)sundodger Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 12:16 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 10:33 AM)rosewater Wrote:  Boise State will never go to a power conference. There endowment is so low that a recession would bankrupt the school.

Boise has an endowment of $88 mil. That's good isn't it? I mean UCF is a serious Big 12 candidate and their endowment is only $155 million. They are in the ball park of another Big 12 expansion candidate, endowment wise.
Cheers!

Not by a long shot. Harvard has an endowment of $1.736M per student. They have 21k students.

You didn't hear the sarcasm screaming out of my post?

Cheers!

(06-08-2016 12:16 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 10:33 AM)rosewater Wrote:  Boise State will never go to a power conference. There endowment is so low that a recession would bankrupt the school.

Boise has an endowment of $88 mil. That's good isn't it? I mean UCF is a serious Big 12 candidate and their endowment is only $155 million. They are in the ball park of another Big 12 expansion candidate, endowment wise.
Cheers!

It's excellent if your frame of reference is Oklahoma City University and the New Jersey Institute of Technology.

Oh wait... those two schools have larger endowments than BSU.

(06-08-2016 08:01 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 12:16 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 10:33 AM)rosewater Wrote:  Boise State will never go to a power conference. There endowment is so low that a recession would bankrupt the school.

Boise has an endowment of $88 mil. That's good isn't it? I mean UCF is a serious Big 12 candidate and their endowment is only $155 million. They are in the ball park of another Big 12 expansion candidate, endowment wise.
Cheers!

It's excellent if your frame of reference is Oklahoma City University and the New Jersey Institute of Technology.

Oh wait... those two schools have larger endowments than BSU.

Oh no....now 2 posters actually think I was citing an $88 million endowment as being a good thing. I suck at this.
Cheers!

Remember that I think that the Big 12 leaders are listening to their fans what they want. There seems a lot of negative feedback about some of the eastern schools and about how bad they are on the field. Like I have said, the P5 should listen to what the fans want, and there are a lot of fans in the P5 likes Boise State so much to a point that the P5 leadership are saying a bunch of nice things about them. Boise will be a big player in the P5 talks because they do bring something to the table like their football. Their men's basketball could be counted as well along with their wrestlings. Seems their other sports are strong as well. Plus Boise could bring back baseball as well.

(06-08-2016 06:41 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 06:23 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 03:21 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 02:08 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  If Texas and Oklahoma bail out on the Big 12, it will still be a P5 conference! New big 16:

Connecticut
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Memphis
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida
Houston

Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Texas Christian
Texas Tech
BYU
Boise

In fact this would a better conference for all involved!

The thing is if Texas & OU leave in about 8 years Oklahoma State, TCU, WVU and Kansas are right behind them

As UCONN fans know, someone actually has to want you in order for you to go anywhere. Kansas theoretically should be fine...theoretically. The rest you mentioned...good luck with that.

Fair point but I could see the SEC/ACC go after WVU ...UConn and Cincinnati IMO should be the next call up if expansion happens followed by in no order UCF, USF, BYU, Houston and Memphis

If the SEC/ACC wanted to "go after" WVU they would have them already. They don't and likely never will for various reasons.

(06-08-2016 10:15 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Remember that I think that the Big 12 leaders are listening to their fans what they want. There seems a lot of negative feedback about some of the eastern schools and about how bad they are on the field. Like I have said, the P5 should listen to what the fans want, and there are a lot of fans in the P5 likes Boise State so much to a point that the P5 leadership are saying a bunch of nice things about them. Boise will be a big player in the P5 talks because they do bring something to the table like their football. Their men's basketball could be counted as well along with their wrestlings. Seems their other sports are strong as well. Plus Boise could bring back baseball as well.

You're pretty much clueless about all things Boise.

Since Boise joined the MWC in '11-12...11 total MWC Championships (2 football)

In that same time period...SDSU had 34 total MWC Championships (2 football)

Everybody is clueless about realignment issues on this board. I put a list of possible targets for Sun Belt Conference that included Lamar, Eastern Kentucky, Chattanooga, Appalachian State and Georgia Southern. Sun Belt asked Chattanooga to join, but was turned down. I also mentioned Eastern Kentucky, and they are on the short list for the Sun Belt. Lamar was brought up because they are in the footprint of western SBC. They are close to Houston, and would be big for a tv contract for SBC. After I made the list, a few months later, SBC added Appalachian State and Georgia Southern. I never have Coastal Carolina because they are not an FBS type school since they are too far from being FBS ready. I even have North Florida on the list, and there was a list that Benson had that came out after my list that had North Florida on there. So, did people ever think TCU, Utah or Louisville ever get an invite to the P5 conferences? People think they were long shots to get in. We can not rule anything out about Boise State. They are a P5 type of program that needs in.

(06-09-2016 12:23 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Everybody is clueless about realignment issues on this board. I put a list of possible targets for Sun Belt Conference that included Lamar, Eastern Kentucky, Chattanooga, Appalachian State and Georgia Southern. Sun Belt asked Chattanooga to join, but was turned down. I also mentioned Eastern Kentucky, and they are on the short list for the Sun Belt. Lamar was brought up because they are in the footprint of western SBC. They are close to Houston, and would be big for a tv contract for SBC. After I made the list, a few months later, SBC added Appalachian State and Georgia Southern. I never have Coastal Carolina because they are not an FBS type school since they are too far from being FBS ready. I even have North Florida on the list, and there was a list that Benson had that came out after my list that had North Florida on there. So, did people ever think TCU, Utah or Louisville ever get an invite to the P5 conferences? People think they were long shots to get in. We can not rule anything out about Boise State. They are a P5 type of program that needs in.

No, they aren't.

(06-08-2016 02:12 PM)sundodger Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 12:16 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 10:33 AM)rosewater Wrote:  Boise State will never go to a power conference. There endowment is so low that a recession would bankrupt the school.

Boise has an endowment of $88 mil. That's good isn't it? I mean UCF is a serious Big 12 candidate and their endowment is only $155 million. They are in the ball park of another Big 12 expansion candidate, endowment wise.
Cheers!

Not by a long shot. Harvard has an endowment of $1.736M per student. They have 21k students.

Not sure if its true but I read that Boise has three hundred million in athletic facilities debt.

(06-08-2016 11:57 PM)k5james Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 06:41 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 06:23 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 03:21 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 02:08 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  If Texas and Oklahoma bail out on the Big 12, it will still be a P5 conference! New big 16:

Connecticut
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Memphis
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida
Houston

Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Texas Christian
Texas Tech
BYU
Boise

In fact this would a better conference for all involved!

The thing is if Texas & OU leave in about 8 years Oklahoma State, TCU, WVU and Kansas are right behind them

As UCONN fans know, someone actually has to want you in order for you to go anywhere. Kansas theoretically should be fine...theoretically. The rest you mentioned...good luck with that.

Fair point but I could see the SEC/ACC go after WVU ...UConn and Cincinnati IMO should be the next call up if expansion happens followed by in no order UCF, USF, BYU, Houston and Memphis

If the SEC/ACC wanted to "go after" WVU they would have them already. They don't and likely never will for various reasons.

For the ACC when Maryland left WVU was off the table and WVU was in the mix for SEC Expansion during the last expansion cycle...

(06-09-2016 12:23 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Everybody is clueless about realignment issues on this board. I put a list of possible targets for Sun Belt Conference that included Lamar, Eastern Kentucky, Chattanooga, Appalachian State and Georgia Southern. Sun Belt asked Chattanooga to join, but was turned down. I also mentioned Eastern Kentucky, and they are on the short list for the Sun Belt. Lamar was brought up because they are in the footprint of western SBC. They are close to Houston, and would be big for a tv contract for SBC. After I made the list, a few months later, SBC added Appalachian State and Georgia Southern. I never have Coastal Carolina because they are not an FBS type school since they are too far from being FBS ready. I even have North Florida on the list, and there was a list that Benson had that came out after my list that had North Florida on there. So, did people ever think TCU, Utah or Louisville ever get an invite to the P5 conferences? People think they were long shots to get in. We can not rule anything out about Boise State. They are a P5 type of program that needs in.

You get more and more delusional with every post you make.

(06-09-2016 12:23 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Everybody is clueless about realignment issues on this board. I put a list of possible targets for Sun Belt Conference that included Lamar, Eastern Kentucky, Chattanooga, Appalachian State and Georgia Southern. Sun Belt asked Chattanooga to join, but was turned down. I also mentioned Eastern Kentucky, and they are on the short list for the Sun Belt. Lamar was brought up because they are in the footprint of western SBC. They are close to Houston, and would be big for a tv contract for SBC. After I made the list, a few months later, SBC added Appalachian State and Georgia Southern. I never have Coastal Carolina because they are not an FBS type school since they are too far from being FBS ready. I even have North Florida on the list, and there was a list that Benson had that came out after my list that had North Florida on there. So, did people ever think TCU, Utah or Louisville ever get an invite to the P5 conferences? People think they were long shots to get in. We can not rule anything out about Boise State. They are a P5 type of program that needs in.

I know academics doesn’t really count for much to fans but it does to the people making the decisions, the university presidents. Boise has a 78% acceptance rate, a 4 year graduation rate of 12% and an overall graduation rate of 37%. Forbes ranked them 617 out of 650 schools and they have an endowment of 88 million.

By comparison West Virginia University is the lowest academically ranked P5 by USNWR at 175 for national universities and is ranked 421 by Forbes, has a 4 year graduation rate of 33%, an overall graduation rate of 57%, and an endowment of 515 million.

If BSU was a P5 candidate the PAC would have taken them back in 2011 instead of Colorado when they expanded to 12.

(06-08-2016 09:26 AM)Maize Wrote:  Newsflash...Texas ain't expanding...get over it...

This/\

Tex is not giving to TV network, and Big 12 is not expanding.

(06-09-2016 06:39 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 11:57 PM)k5james Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 06:41 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 06:23 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 03:21 PM)Maize Wrote:  The thing is if Texas & OU leave in about 8 years Oklahoma State, TCU, WVU and Kansas are right behind them

As UCONN fans know, someone actually has to want you in order for you to go anywhere. Kansas theoretically should be fine...theoretically. The rest you mentioned...good luck with that.

Fair point but I could see the SEC/ACC go after WVU ...UConn and Cincinnati IMO should be the next call up if expansion happens followed by in no order UCF, USF, BYU, Houston and Memphis

If the SEC/ACC wanted to "go after" WVU they would have them already. They don't and likely never will for various reasons.

For the ACC when Maryland left WVU was off the table and WVU was in the mix for SEC Expansion during the last expansion cycle...

You'd have to define in the mix. Personally I don't think the SEC demonstrated any interest in WVU during the last round.