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(06-02-2016 10:14 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 10:09 AM)TigerRob Wrote:  I just don't think BYU will happen. What is working against them right now is they have a similar situation going on as occurred with Baylor. BYU found reasons to kick the women out of school when they raised sexual assault charges. Add to this is BYU has their own network so is B12 going to allow a school to have it's own network or deal with another mess like Longhorn network? I think this forces them to stick going east and if that happens think who will partner with who. We have to assume Cinncy is the first choice do to proximity to West Virginia. Who will be team 12 and if they go to 14 be team 13 and 14?

The biggest issue with Uconn and Florida schools is who is actually close to them to be a partner? None of existing schools so the travel expenses of a travel partner to one of those schools becomes a big deal and I'm talking about the non-revenue producing sports. Memphis and Houston are both driving distance so I think it comes down to either Houston or Memphis for spot 12.

From everything I've seen and heard IF expansion does happen it will be Cincy and either Uconn/Memphis, I think everyone else is out of the picture at this point. Maybe UH if they pull some BS political voodoo but I can't see the non-Texas schools going for that

None of the candidates are in or out of the picture. The B12 hasn't even voted if they want to expand yet, so they haven't voted on who they want, either. You hear the same bloggers and talking heads we do and we see our name as much as you do. Last summer UCF was being heralded as a lock as #1. That was obviously BS. Those same people said we were out and then this year back in again. The Big 12 is reviewing data today that will allow them get a picture and that data will be a major factor in the decision.

Also, on topic, the Big 12 contract has a clause that said any new teams would pay out equally, but the Big 12 determined how much per new team. Basically they could add 4 1-AA schools and it'd equal the same as adding 4 ACC schools. So if Memphis was added, the Big 12 would gain $23 million in revenue, but may only pay Memphis half that and split the rest between the other 10 schools. This would occur for at least 3 years.

(06-02-2016 08:49 AM)fsquid Wrote:  well, P5 was called BCS back then

Well actually they were called the big 6. Until we were added.

Trio of interim presidents not expected to slow Big 12 agenda


By Phil Stukenborg of The Commercial Appeal

IRVING, Texas – The Big 12’s board of governors, the collection of the league’s presidents and chancellors (i.e. decision-makers), are operating at this week’s spring meetings with three interim presidents: Baylor’s David Garland, Kansas State’s Richard Myers and Texas Tech’s John Opperman.

Despite thoughts to the contrary, the interim tags won’t affect the Big 12’s business at hand, namely exploring expansion, a league title game and conference television network, according to commissioner Bob Bowlsby.

The University of Memphis is among a group of schools, and one of several from the American Athletic Conference, seeking to become an expansion member of the Big 12. Bowlsby said Wednesday he expects a decision on expansion by the end of the summer.

“We have three interim presidents and I expect all of them to be quick studies,” Bowlsby said. “They have demonstrated in past aspects of their lives to be quick studies. We loaded up a bunch of data for them. It’s a couple hundred pages of fairly dense data.

“I’ve said it before that I don’t expect to come to closure on any of those components (here), but I think we’ll have some significant discussion based on analytics we’ve put together over the past 18 months.”

Bowlsby also said the shake-up at Baylor shouldn’t hamper the ability of the league to discuss expansion adequately. Baylor president Kenneth Starr was on the three-person composition committee, but was demoted from president to chancellor last week in the aftermath of sexual assault allegations made against Baylor students, many of them athletes.

Starr was chair of the composition committee. Bowlsby said there was no need to name a replacement at this stage in the process.

“Ken Starr was certainly a big part of the composition committee and he provided a lot of terrific service to the Big 12,” Bowlsby said. “He did a lot of work as the chair of that group. It would be nice to have him here because he brings a lot of knowledge and expertise.

“But the composition committee is about at the end of its process. We really have been operating as a committee as a whole with the full board. We have had an April board call and a May board call and we’ve got all 10 presidents and chancellors engaged in the review of the material.”

Starr was transitioning into a chancellor’s role, but decided against accepting it and will instead teach at Baylor’s law school.

(06-02-2016 02:01 PM)EdmondTiger Wrote:  Midnight is right. WVU doesn't have a lot on Memphis. In fact, as you all know, Memphis fits in nicely to the Big XII landscape. So do the other expansion candidates. The Big XII is not all that without TX and OU.

School Enrollment Endowment Athletic Budget Stadium
Baylor University 16,787 1.168 B 87 M 45,000 (55,000)
Brigham Young University 29,672 1.05 B 60 M 63,725
Iowa State University 34,732 786.2 M 70 M 55,000
Kansas University 27,983 1.8 B 98 M 50,000
Kansas State University 24,766 488.9 M 66 M 50,000
Oklahoma State University 25,962 904.9 M 96 M 60,000
Texas Christian University 10,323 1.514 B 52 M (2012) 50,000
Texas Tech University 35,893 1.195 B 80 M 60,454
West Virginia University 29,175 515 M 77.7 M 60,000 University of Central Florida 60,767 155.5 M 56 M 45,301
University of Connecticut 31,119 436.9 M 71 M 40,642
University of Cincinnati 44,251 1.2 B 59 M 40,000
University of Memphis 20,585 218.3 M 50 M 59,000
University of Oklahoma 28,966 1.523 B 134 M 85,000
University of Texas 50,950 24.08 B 183 M 100,000

Wow we gotta crank our enrollment up, get it to at least 30k...

no where was anyone trying to say WVU was better than Memphis or trying to put them down

(06-02-2016 02:48 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  no where was anyone trying to say WVU was better than Memphis or trying to put them down

Pat Forde doh.
Fat boy Lambert doh.
Long list doh.

(06-02-2016 02:45 PM)kabluey Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 02:01 PM)EdmondTiger Wrote:  Midnight is right. WVU doesn't have a lot on Memphis. In fact, as you all know, Memphis fits in nicely to the Big XII landscape. So do the other expansion candidates. The Big XII is not all that without TX and OU.

School Enrollment Endowment Athletic Budget Stadium
Baylor University 16,787 1.168 B 87 M 45,000 (55,000)
Brigham Young University 29,672 1.05 B 60 M 63,725
Iowa State University 34,732 786.2 M 70 M 55,000
Kansas University 27,983 1.8 B 98 M 50,000
Kansas State University 24,766 488.9 M 66 M 50,000
Oklahoma State University 25,962 904.9 M 96 M 60,000
Texas Christian University 10,323 1.514 B 52 M (2012) 50,000
Texas Tech University 35,893 1.195 B 80 M 60,454
West Virginia University 29,175 515 M 77.7 M 60,000 University of Central Florida 60,767 155.5 M 56 M 45,301
University of Connecticut 31,119 436.9 M 71 M 40,642
University of Cincinnati 44,251 1.2 B 59 M 40,000
University of Memphis 20,585 218.3 M 50 M 59,000
University of Oklahoma 28,966 1.523 B 134 M 85,000
University of Texas 50,950 24.08 B 183 M 100,000

Wow we gotta crank our enrollment up, get it to at least 30k...

The Big XII could help with that

(06-02-2016 02:48 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  no where was anyone trying to say WVU was better than Memphis or trying to put them down

And I wasn't trying to knock WVU or any other school in the Big XII. In fact, I'd like Memphis to join the party. Would love to have the mountaineers as conference mates.

(06-02-2016 12:11 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 11:46 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 11:40 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 10:47 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 10:08 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  Boren and Bowlsby talked about this literally a year ago. This isn't new news.

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college-...nsion-math

If that's the case, why didn't you post it? It obviously changes the dynamics of expansion.

As you can see by the date on the article I linked this was discussed a full year ago. It's just being brought back up because of the Big 12 meetings. It isn't new ground breaking news, just as the extra 2-3 million per team for the championship game was discussed over a year ago.

Fox will have more weight when it comes to expansion decisions, they own most of our tv rights and would be the ones hosting the Championship game.

That article is not remotely similar to numbers in the CBS Sports article.

In what way? The article posted from last year says that the B12 would get a pro-rata increase for additional teams. That matches what was reported this week, except that they multiplied out the pro-rata over the remaining lifetime of the contract. So, while you may not have heard the term $500million over the remaining contract life for two teams, or $1billion over the remaining contract life for 4 teams, thats exactly what pro-rata would do.

This is why, for over a year, when the talking heads kept saying that "no team brings the value needed for exapansion", some of us were calling bullsh*t. The tv contract already made up for the difference for the additional teams there. All a school needs to do is to offest the remaining revenue models. (ie, bring a corporate sponsor for the CCG, basketball tournament credits, etc, etc)

Also, for over a year, it was reported that the B12 could get $20-$30 million for the CCG alone. That was confirmed again this week by Bowlsby.

You are putting ranges of numbers on here and telling me it adds up to $1B? How many years are you using? Or is that a range too?

(06-02-2016 01:45 PM)Goldenbuc Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 10:14 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 10:09 AM)TigerRob Wrote:  I just don't think BYU will happen. What is working against them right now is they have a similar situation going on as occurred with Baylor. BYU found reasons to kick the women out of school when they raised sexual assault charges. Add to this is BYU has their own network so is B12 going to allow a school to have it's own network or deal with another mess like Longhorn network? I think this forces them to stick going east and if that happens think who will partner with who. We have to assume Cinncy is the first choice do to proximity to West Virginia. Who will be team 12 and if they go to 14 be team 13 and 14?

The biggest issue with Uconn and Florida schools is who is actually close to them to be a partner? None of existing schools so the travel expenses of a travel partner to one of those schools becomes a big deal and I'm talking about the non-revenue producing sports. Memphis and Houston are both driving distance so I think it comes down to either Houston or Memphis for spot 12.

From everything I've seen and heard IF expansion does happen it will be Cincy and either Uconn/Memphis, I think everyone else is out of the picture at this point. Maybe UH if they pull some BS political voodoo but I can't see the non-Texas schools going for that

None of the candidates are in or out of the picture. The B12 hasn't even voted if they want to expand yet, so they haven't voted on who they want, either. You hear the same bloggers and talking heads we do and we see our name as much as you do. Last summer UCF was being heralded as a lock as #1. That was obviously BS. Those same people said we were out and then this year back in again. The Big 12 is reviewing data today that will allow them get a picture and that data will be a major factor in the decision.

Also, on topic, the Big 12 contract has a clause that said any new teams would pay out equally, but the Big 12 determined how much per new team. Basically they could add 4 1-AA schools and it'd equal the same as adding 4 ACC schools. So if Memphis was added, the Big 12 would gain $23 million in revenue, but may only pay Memphis half that and split the rest between the other 10 schools. This would occur for at least 3 years.

Nothing new today, they have had the data for a long time. You think they are going to have a 100 page document dropped on them at a meeting?

Except for the corp advertising and sponsorship you are correct. Just leave the $100++ million out. UCF grad school?

(06-02-2016 04:21 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 12:11 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 11:46 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 11:40 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 10:47 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  If that's the case, why didn't you post it? It obviously changes the dynamics of expansion.

As you can see by the date on the article I linked this was discussed a full year ago. It's just being brought back up because of the Big 12 meetings. It isn't new ground breaking news, just as the extra 2-3 million per team for the championship game was discussed over a year ago.

Fox will have more weight when it comes to expansion decisions, they own most of our tv rights and would be the ones hosting the Championship game.

That article is not remotely similar to numbers in the CBS Sports article.

In what way? The article posted from last year says that the B12 would get a pro-rata increase for additional teams. That matches what was reported this week, except that they multiplied out the pro-rata over the remaining lifetime of the contract. So, while you may not have heard the term $500million over the remaining contract life for two teams, or $1billion over the remaining contract life for 4 teams, thats exactly what pro-rata would do.

This is why, for over a year, when the talking heads kept saying that "no team brings the value needed for exapansion", some of us were calling bullsh*t. The tv contract already made up for the difference for the additional teams there. All a school needs to do is to offest the remaining revenue models. (ie, bring a corporate sponsor for the CCG, basketball tournament credits, etc, etc)

Also, for over a year, it was reported that the B12 could get $20-$30 million for the CCG alone. That was confirmed again this week by Bowlsby.

You are putting ranges of numbers on here and telling me it adds up to $1B? How many years are you using? Or is that a range too?

The $1B number is over the remaining media contract years, 2025 I think but not sure without looking it up. And BTW, these numbers didn't originate here, they are BXII numbers. I think Dodds put them out in a recent article based on a quote from a UT official.

Holy crap, Central Florida's endowment is tiny.

(06-02-2016 05:55 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Holy crap, Central Florida's endowment is tiny.

Relatively young school. See Memphis.

Why is it I can never tell if y'all are talking real or metaphorically.

(06-02-2016 08:39 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 07:58 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  So the addition of two non-p5 teams is worth $500 million over the length of the contract?

P5's ass. People forget that:

(1) 3 years ago the term "P5" did not even exist, and
(2) technically (and effectively in many cases) the only difference between "P5" and "G5" is conference affiliation

Amazing how quickly sheeple are influenced by cleverly devised labels.

True! How about "bad is good and good is bad"? If you can reverse the obvious and the sheeple won't notice,then anything goes anytime.

(06-02-2016 06:35 PM)DALLAS TIGER 78 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 08:39 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 07:58 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  So the addition of two non-p5 teams is worth $500 million over the length of the contract?

P5's ass. People forget that:

(1) 3 years ago the term "P5" did not even exist, and
(2) technically (and effectively in many cases) the only difference between "P5" and "G5" is conference affiliation

Amazing how quickly sheeple are influenced by cleverly devised labels.

True! How about "bad is good and good is bad"? If you can reverse the obvious and the sheeple won't notice,then anything goes anytime.

Some sheeple don't know the difference between teams who receive ~$3 million from their conference and those that receive ~$30 million.

(06-02-2016 05:55 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Holy crap, Central Florida's endowment is tiny.

That's what she said!!!!

(06-02-2016 06:39 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 06:35 PM)DALLAS TIGER 78 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 08:39 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 07:58 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  So the addition of two non-p5 teams is worth $500 million over the length of the contract?

P5's ass. People forget that:

(1) 3 years ago the term "P5" did not even exist, and
(2) technically (and effectively in many cases) the only difference between "P5" and "G5" is conference affiliation

Amazing how quickly sheeple are influenced by cleverly devised labels.

True! How about "bad is good and good is bad"? If you can reverse the obvious and the sheeple won't notice,then anything goes anytime.

Some sheeple don't know the difference between teams who receive ~$3 million from their conference and those that receive ~$30 million.

$3M is minimum. According to Stukenborg it can be as much as $9M. Big difference but not P5 money.

I'll wait for TC to weigh in.