(06-06-2016 07:46 AM)MemTigerFan Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 08:41 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  We were up to 22k a year or two ago. We've been at 20k as long as I remember. For us to get more, we need the state to support us. MTSU grew by 10k in ten or fifteen years. I think that has more to do with the growth of Nashville and the lottery scholly.

MTSU grew massively because they wanted to grow massively. They were much smaller so when the lottery came around they used it as a tactic to grow, basically accepting nearly everyone. That is a good way to grow for that level of a school. But it comes at a price of hurting your perception.

Memphis has been focusing the last number of years of improving the enrollment and not growing the enrollment. They've tried becoming more selective (which can be a challenge in a commuter school environment). This was done to help raise the perception of education levels here. Right or wrong, one of the measures currently used is acceptance rate.

So while MTSU grew to get numbers, we've been focused on improving quality and making our acceptance rate go down.

Nashville metro area poulation has BOOMED over the last 30 years or so while Memphis still has close to the same population it had back in 1970.

Comparing the 2 Universities acceptance rate for 2014-2015 (Common Data Set Numbers),

Students Applied (1st time, 1st year):
MTSU: 9,353
Memphis: 6,346

Students accepted:
MTSU: 6,740 (3,036 enrolled in Fall Semester)
Memphis: 5,514 (2,306 " " " " )

Acceptance Rate:
MTSU: 72.1%
Memphis: 86.9%

NOTE: Some Freshmen start in summer semesters

(06-03-2016 08:34 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 08:16 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 06:39 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  Some sheeple don't know the difference between teams who receive ~$3 million from their conference and those that receive ~$30 million.

There is a difference between wealth and worth. For example, a poor man is often worthier than a man who merely inherited wealth.

Says who?

Donald Trump is a prime example. That dude is worthless.

(06-06-2016 08:45 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 07:46 AM)MemTigerFan Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 08:41 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  We were up to 22k a year or two ago. We've been at 20k as long as I remember. For us to get more, we need the state to support us. MTSU grew by 10k in ten or fifteen years. I think that has more to do with the growth of Nashville and the lottery scholly.

MTSU grew massively because they wanted to grow massively. They were much smaller so when the lottery came around they used it as a tactic to grow, basically accepting nearly everyone. That is a good way to grow for that level of a school. But it comes at a price of hurting your perception.

Memphis has been focusing the last number of years of improving the enrollment and not growing the enrollment. They've tried becoming more selective (which can be a challenge in a commuter school environment). This was done to help raise the perception of education levels here. Right or wrong, one of the measures currently used is acceptance rate.

So while MTSU grew to get numbers, we've been focused on improving quality and making our acceptance rate go down.

Nashville metro area poulation has BOOMED over the last 30 years or so while Memphis still has close to the same population it had back in 1970.

Comparing the 2 Universities acceptance rate for 2014-2015 (Common Data Set Numbers),

Students Applied (1st time, 1st year):
MTSU: 9,353
Memphis: 6,346

Students accepted:
MTSU: 6,740 (3,036 enrolled in Fall Semester)
Memphis: 5,514 (2,306 " " " " )

Acceptance Rate:
MTSU: 72.1%
Memphis: 86.9%

NOTE: Some Freshmen start in summer semesters

It would be interesting to see what the real population in Memphis has done. Just Memphis proper doesn't tell the complete story. I wish someone could just draw a circle with a 50 mile radius around Shelby county with west Memphis, desoto county, etc to see what the total population has done. That would be more indicative of population gains or losses. I mean, does someone simply moving from Memphis to the suburbs really constitute a real population loss?

(06-06-2016 08:50 AM)Mtyler Wrote:  It would be interesting to see what the real population in Memphis has done. Just Memphis proper doesn't tell the complete story. I wish someone could just draw a circle with a 50 mile radius around Shelby county with west Memphis, desoto county, etc to see what the total population has done. That would be more indicative of population gains or losses. I mean, does someone simply moving from Memphis to the suburbs really constitute a real population loss?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memphis_metropolitan_area

Memphis Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA: TN, AR, MS does not include MO bootheel)
in 2010 1,316,100
in 2015 1,354,354

Chamber's Stats link

(06-05-2016 09:26 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 10:06 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 04:36 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 04:20 PM)msu65 Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 10:55 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Athens is a college town for sure but not small, pop. 120K not including students who are not permanent Athens residents. And the "off-campus" housing is hard to distinguish from "on-campus" housing in many cases because most is as close to classes as the on-campus housing - much like the new housing along Southern Ave directly across from our university. In Memphis, the area between Poplar & Park Ave (north/south) + south campus and Highland/Goodlett (east/west) is becoming more & more like a university district with a university district feel.

I think the possible Big 12 football membership and being competitive will increase our endowment to a great degree, so that needs to be considered when comparing with the other Big 12 Universities. An example of athletic success translating to University health is 2008 when we went to the national basketball championship and our enrollment increased approximately 10% the next year. However, I thought the U of M (I was there in the late 70s) reminded me a lot of UAB (I grew up in Bham). Majority of commuter students who never returned to the campus after they left. I am only asking the question. Have things changed that much? Do people feel a life long tie to the UofM?

The tie to the university is there but no significant campus events for alumni (i.e., no FB or BB games on campus) so no reason to return to campus. Even going to the bookstore is difficult for the out of towners with virtually no weekend or night hours on game days. This is why I have been a long standing proponent of OC facilities for BB & FB. It gets alum back to the campus & that puts $$ in the university programs. As it is currently, alumni have to fight weekday traffic & hope to find a parking spot on campus to even get to the bookstore. The BB old timers game last summer at the Fieldhouse was the first motivation I've had to be on campus in years. Of course the bookstore was closed & there was virtually no access to any other buildings. This is one of many reasons why we need OC facilities - especially if the university wants out of town grads to have continued interest in the university.

Every study shows (and every Univ Foundation/Alumni Assoc knows) that Alumni that COME BACK TO CAMPUS donate at a higher rate and a higher amount (on average), than those alumni that do NOT come back to campus. (i.e. those that remained connected to their campus, those that view the renovation/new facilities that are spent with their donated $$$, etc...)

#1 and #2 largest events at most schools that bring back alumi to their campus on a regular basis is:

#1 On-campus football games
#2 On-campus basketball games

Believe Memphis might be the only Div I-A school that plays both their football and basketball home games off-campus.

Its certainly means that Memphis has to do other things to get their alumni back to campus...as they are without the top 2 events that bring back their alumni on a regular basis.

Miami plays both off campus

So does USC I believe or did they get an arena?

LA coliseum is adjacent to campus and they have an on campus basketball arena.

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/...uld-narrow

"The drive to create a network had previously complicated expansion. But with the network debate now obsolete, the expansion picture could begin to crystallize -- in a way that could be good for BYU and Houston. And not so good for Central Florida and South Florida."

It still will be Memphis and Cincy as 11 and 12 and Its still coming soon enough.....Patience Is A Virtue....No Limits....The World Is Ours Memphis....

(06-05-2016 03:35 PM)DALLAS TIGER 78 Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 08:31 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 10:10 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(06-04-2016 09:20 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 04:20 PM)msu65 Wrote:  ....Have things changed that much? Do people feel a life long tie to the UofM?

Depends upon which people. The negative effects of growing up surrounded by SEC bias and/or inferiority complexes aren't necessarily going to be erased by attending UofM. I certainly feel a life long tie but I was not raised here. My 3 adult children feel lifelong ties but they were raised by Tiger fans who have pride.

Big XII membership will change perceptions and attitudes in a major way.

Of course the term "normal" when attached to a college was the normal term for a teachers college back then. However now when I hear it I am reminded of the great food and folksy atmosphere of the Normal Buntyn Cafe and their great fried chicken and daily rotation of cobbler deserts. My Are they still in business?
I think thats key...and something most older institutions are able to take advantage of (i.e. multi-generational alumni), and while Memphis is considered somewhat of a "young" institution (founded over 100 years ago), there are families all over the Memphis area that have 2 or even 3 Memphis alumni in their family tree...and that does add "pride".

Founded 1912 as a two year normal school (teachers college).

Yes, the term Normal when referring to a college was the term used for a teachers college. However when I hear "normal" I am reminded of the Normal Butyn Cafe and their scrumptious fried chicken and daily rotation of cobbler delights and me sitting at one of the tables there at "Heaven on Southern".

Don't forget the massive rolls.

Just to shut down this thread :)

https://twitter.com/PromiscuousJawa/stat...1789739008

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(06-06-2016 11:02 AM)tigerscane Wrote:  It still will be Memphis and Cincy as 11 and 12 and Its still coming soon enough.....Patience Is A Virtue....No Limits....The World Is Ours Memphis....

The predictions are funny. That UC is such a 'hot commodity' is funny too. Right in the middle of B10. They are no more relevant than Memphis.

(06-06-2016 04:28 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 11:02 AM)tigerscane Wrote:  It still will be Memphis and Cincy as 11 and 12 and Its still coming soon enough.....Patience Is A Virtue....No Limits....The World Is Ours Memphis....

The predictions are funny. That UC is such a 'hot commodity' is funny too. Right in the middle of B10. They are no more relevant than Memphis.

Have you been hiding under a rock?

(06-07-2016 09:35 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 04:28 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 11:02 AM)tigerscane Wrote:  It still will be Memphis and Cincy as 11 and 12 and Its still coming soon enough.....Patience Is A Virtue....No Limits....The World Is Ours Memphis....

The predictions are funny. That UC is such a 'hot commodity' is funny too. Right in the middle of B10. They are no more relevant than Memphis.

Have you been hiding under a rock?

Yes. Saves on the AC bill.

(06-07-2016 09:35 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 04:28 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 11:02 AM)tigerscane Wrote:  It still will be Memphis and Cincy as 11 and 12 and Its still coming soon enough.....Patience Is A Virtue....No Limits....The World Is Ours Memphis....

The predictions are funny. That UC is such a 'hot commodity' is funny too. Right in the middle of B10. They are no more relevant than Memphis.

Have you been hiding under a rock?

Interesting that Cincy has exceeded 40K attendance only twice in their entire FB history, avg less than 40K, and UConn avg about 28K. And those two schools are the touted (by some) leading contenders for B12 admission. Does seem a little odd. Logic IMO would seem that if fans don't attend the games, not a large number will watch them on TV either.

(06-07-2016 12:21 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-07-2016 09:35 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 04:28 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 11:02 AM)tigerscane Wrote:  It still will be Memphis and Cincy as 11 and 12 and Its still coming soon enough.....Patience Is A Virtue....No Limits....The World Is Ours Memphis....

The predictions are funny. That UC is such a 'hot commodity' is funny too. Right in the middle of B10. They are no more relevant than Memphis.

Have you been hiding under a rock?

Interesting that Cincy has exceeded 40K attendance only twice in their entire FB history, avg less than 40K, and UConn avg about 28K. And those two schools are the touted (by some) leading contenders for B12 admission. Does seem a little odd. Logic IMO would seem that if fans don't attend the games, not a large number will watch them on TV either.

Yep. You can learn alot while under a rock.

(06-07-2016 12:21 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-07-2016 09:35 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 04:28 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 11:02 AM)tigerscane Wrote:  It still will be Memphis and Cincy as 11 and 12 and Its still coming soon enough.....Patience Is A Virtue....No Limits....The World Is Ours Memphis....

The predictions are funny. That UC is such a 'hot commodity' is funny too. Right in the middle of B10. They are no more relevant than Memphis.

Have you been hiding under a rock?

Interesting that Cincy has exceeded 40K attendance only twice in their entire FB history, avg less than 40K, and UConn avg about 28K. And those two schools are the touted (by some) leading contenders for B12 admission. Does seem a little odd. Logic IMO would seem that if fans don't attend the games, not a large number will watch them on TV either.

Cincinnati's stadium wasn't expanded to 40,000 seats until last season, when there were those sellouts; pretty hard to exceed 40,000 in a 35,000 seat stadium for the prior 90 years. Games @ Paul Brown Stadium downtown with West Virginia and Oklahoma drew closer to 60,000 but obviously those numbers aren't included for Nippert. Cincinnati will turn out for quality football: NFL, college or high school.

A plan has been developed to expand Nippert Stadium to 53,000 seats if needed for the Big 12... or any other P5 conference.

We simply don't know what criteria the Big 12 might use. In public statements, it's been suggested that academics, research, enrollment and endowment matter to current member schools. Those measures have put Cincy in a very good spot.

My hope is that UC and Memphis will both be joining the Big 12 very soon. Love visiting your city; your football and basketball programs have provided a great rivalry. Here's hoping that continues in the P5.

(06-07-2016 01:40 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(06-07-2016 12:21 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-07-2016 09:35 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 04:28 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 11:02 AM)tigerscane Wrote:  It still will be Memphis and Cincy as 11 and 12 and Its still coming soon enough.....Patience Is A Virtue....No Limits....The World Is Ours Memphis....

The predictions are funny. That UC is such a 'hot commodity' is funny too. Right in the middle of B10. They are no more relevant than Memphis.

Have you been hiding under a rock?

Interesting that Cincy has exceeded 40K attendance only twice in their entire FB history, avg less than 40K, and UConn avg about 28K. And those two schools are the touted (by some) leading contenders for B12 admission. Does seem a little odd. Logic IMO would seem that if fans don't attend the games, not a large number will watch them on TV either.

Cincinnati's stadium wasn't expanded to 40,000 seats until last season, when there were those sellouts; pretty hard to exceed 40,000 in a 35,000 seat stadium for the prior 90 years. Games @ Paul Brown Stadium downtown with West Virginia and Oklahoma drew closer to 60,000 but obviously those numbers aren't included for Nippert. Cincinnati will turn out for quality football: NFL, college or high school.

A plan has been developed to expand Nippert Stadium to 53,000 seats if needed for the Big 12... or any other P5 conference.

We simply don't know what criteria the Big 12 might use. In public statements, it's been suggested that academics, research, enrollment and endowment matter to current member schools. Those measures have put Cincy in a very good spot.

My hope is that UC and Memphis will both be joining the Big 12 very soon. Love visiting your city; your football and basketball programs have provided a great rivalry. Here's hoping that continues in the P5.

Same here! I still miss Huggy. He would say things to get the Memphis fans riled up and we'd give him hell during the games. It was great! He understood how to keep the fires burning.