NYC woman says she battled attempted rapist for 20 minutes before husband beat him to death

Quote:A New York City woman says she and her sister desperately fought off an attempted rapist inside her apartment before she was able to grab a phone and call the first number she saw – her husband’s – who then returned to the building and beat the man to death with a tire iron.

Authorities say 61-year-old Mamadou Diallo beat 43-year-old Earl Nash – a career criminal -- in the elevator bank of a Bronx apartment building Monday night, The Associated Press reported. Diallo was arraigned late Tuesday in the Bronx on charges including assault and criminal possession of a weapon. Diallo is free on his own recognizance.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/06/01/nyc...tcmp=hpbt4



No Charges for Texas Father Who Beat to Death Daughter's Molester

Quote:A Texas rancher who beat his daughter's accused molester to death moments after he discovered the man raping the 5-year-old girl, will not be charged with his homicide, officials said, as they released chilling 911 tapes of the father calling for help as the other man died.

A grand jury Tuesday decided not to indict the 24-year-old father who beat ranch hand Jesus Mora Flores to death with his bare hands, after finding the man abusing his daughter behind a barn.

"I need an ambulance. This guy was raping my daughter and I don't know what to do," the father is heard telling dispatchers in a frantic call to 911.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/charges-texas-f...d=16612071

Anyone would half a brain would quickly realize why these two cases are different.

(06-01-2016 10:24 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Anyone would half a brain would quickly realize why these two cases are different.

What?

Both men confronted the attackers at the scene of the crime while the crime was taking place.

Did you even read the article?

(06-01-2016 10:24 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Anyone would half a brain would quickly realize why these two cases are different.

How were they different?

Admittedly I only skimmed both articles, but both seemed to go down the way LS described.

Really? You guys can't see it? Wow.

I'll wait a while longer to see if anyone catches it.

(06-01-2016 11:42 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Really? You guys can't see it? Wow.

I'll wait a while longer to see if anyone catches it.

I'll tell you a couple of things that were different.

Texas guy beats a man that was raping a 5-year old girl. He called 911 after.
New York guy beat a man that was trying to rape an adult. No mention of calling 911 after.

(06-01-2016 11:01 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 10:24 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Anyone would half a brain would quickly realize why these two cases are different.

What?

Both men confronted the attackers at the scene of the crime while the crime was taking place.

Did you even read the article?

Did you?

The NY lady did not live in the elevator bank I imagine.

(06-01-2016 11:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 11:01 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 10:24 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Anyone would half a brain would quickly realize why these two cases are different.

What?

Both men confronted the attackers at the scene of the crime while the crime was taking place.

Did you even read the article?

Did you?

The NY lady did not live in the elevator bank I imagine.

Of course I did, which is why I clearly stated that both men confronted the attackers at the scene of the crime while the crime was taking place.

(06-01-2016 12:10 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 11:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 11:01 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 10:24 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Anyone would half a brain would quickly realize why these two cases are different.

What?

Both men confronted the attackers at the scene of the crime while the crime was taking place.

Did you even read the article?

Did you?

The NY lady did not live in the elevator bank I imagine.

Of course I did, which is why I clearly stated that both men confronted the attackers at the scene of the crime while the crime was taking place.

The elevator bank was not the scene of the crime. It occurred in the apartment. That's the difference.

Quote:A New York City woman says she and her sister desperately fought off an attempted rapist inside her apartment

Diallo beat 43-year-old Earl Nash – a career criminal -- in the elevator bank of a Bronx apartment building

You don't have carte blanche to go kill a criminal anywhere you like after the crime was committed.

Liberals are tap dancing all over the place on this one. Its not that hard.

(06-01-2016 12:21 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Liberals are tap dancing all over the place on this one. Its not that hard.

Apparently it's pretty hard for you cons. Like this has anything at all to do with liberal v. conservative anyway.

When a crime is committed, unless you're in fear for your life, you don't get to go pursue and kill the criminal after he leaves the scene of that crime. There's mountains and mountains of precedence on this.

(06-01-2016 12:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 12:21 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Liberals are tap dancing all over the place on this one. Its not that hard.

Apparently it's pretty hard for you cons. Like this has anything at all to do with liberal v. conservative anyway.

When a crime is committed, unless you're in fear for your life, you don't get to go pursue and kill the criminal after he leaves the scene of that crime. There's mountains and mountains of precedence on this.

And thats why I love Texas, where you can chase a perp and send him to his maker

(06-01-2016 12:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You don't have carte blanche to go kill a criminal anywhere you like after the crime was committed.

What is the distance that the rapist had to get away from the crime in order to be safe from retaliation? Or, better yet, what is the defensive perimeter that one is allowed to defend against a crime before you have to say "oh, you're now x feet from the crime, you're free to go!"

Please show your work, we are all quite interested in knowing the "Rapist Safe Space" requirements.

Wolves and sheep, sheep and wolves. I swear liberals would much rather have you be a chalk outline on the ground and just sit there quietly and be murdered rather than compromise their sophisticated views about crime.

(06-01-2016 12:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 12:21 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Liberals are tap dancing all over the place on this one. Its not that hard.

Apparently it's pretty hard for you cons. Like this has anything at all to do with liberal v. conservative anyway.

When a crime is committed, unless you're in fear for your life, you don't get to go pursue and kill the criminal after he leaves the scene of that crime. There's mountains and mountains of precedence on this.

That battle lasted over 20 minutes, and you dont think they feared for their life?

The old man was over 60. The perp was 20 years younger.

Liberal think. When a life-long perp gets killed in the act, let's bring charges against the innocent. That'll teach them.

Face it, you're just pissed that there's one less liberal voter.

Stupid is as stupid does. Do something stupid, then ***** about the consequence of your actions.

(06-01-2016 12:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 12:21 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Liberals are tap dancing all over the place on this one. Its not that hard.

Apparently it's pretty hard for you cons. Like this has anything at all to do with liberal v. conservative anyway.

When a crime is committed, unless you're in fear for your life, you don't get to go pursue and kill the criminal after he leaves the scene of that crime. There's mountains and mountains of precedence on this.

Tell us how far, exactly, that this guy should have pursued the rapist before coming to a cartoon-like screeching halt, shaking his fists as the rapist (again, a rapist, caught in the act of - wait for it............. RAPE) fled the scene.

Give us an answer. Help us understand your point of view. Is it 5ft? 12.5ft? One yard? In the same room, but not in the other room? Where does the Rapist Safe Space begin, and the right to defend oneself end?

I am genuinely curious.

(06-01-2016 12:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  When a crime is committed, unless you're in fear for your life, you don't get to go pursue and kill the criminal after he leaves the scene of that crime. There's mountains and mountains of precedence on this.

Although the article doesn't give specific timing, I gather this is only seconds after the husband arrived home to find the rapist. This isn't the Marriott, it's a Bronx apartment... the elevators are probably just several steps away from the door.

It's easy for us to have a clear presence of mind behind our keyboards.

But no one can expect a husband to go from primal, animal-like rage (upon seeing his wife getting raped) to a calm, rational perspective in, what, 10 seconds?

When a criminal puts a victim in that frenzied state of mind, they are responsible for their own deaths. Even if they pull up their pants and walk a few steps away from the crime scene.

I'm not defending the alleged rapist Earl Nash in the New York case.... And I understand that he has a long list of criminal activity in the past... but we still do have this concept where you're innocent until proven guilty.

Let's just think hypothetically. Now again, I'm not claiming this is the case, but lets just roll with it. What if the facts presented in this fox news article aren't the truth? What if there's something the NYC women and her sister aren't telling us? What if an attempted rape/assault didn't happen that evening? Does the man deserve to get his head bashed in with a tire iron without getting all facts presented?

(06-01-2016 12:28 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 12:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You don't have carte blanche to go kill a criminal anywhere you like after the crime was committed.

What is the distance that the rapist had to get away from the crime in order to be safe from retaliation? Or, better yet, what is the defensive perimeter that one is allowed to defend against a crime before you have to say "oh, you're now x feet from the crime, you're free to go!"

Please show your work, we are all quite interested in knowing the "Rapist Safe Space" requirements.

Wolves and sheep, sheep and wolves. I swear liberals would much rather have you be a chalk outline on the ground and just sit there quietly and be murdered rather than compromise their sophisticated views about crime.

You are making sweeping generalizations here. Frankly, I couldn't care less that both of these scumbags are dead. The point is however that in a court of law, the guy from New York fled the scene of the crime.

(06-01-2016 12:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 12:10 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 11:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 11:01 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 10:24 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Anyone would half a brain would quickly realize why these two cases are different.

What?

Both men confronted the attackers at the scene of the crime while the crime was taking place.

Did you even read the article?

Did you?

The NY lady did not live in the elevator bank I imagine.

Of course I did, which is why I clearly stated that both men confronted the attackers at the scene of the crime while the crime was taking place.

The elevator bank was not the scene of the crime. It occurred in the apartment. That's the difference.

Quote:A New York City woman says she and her sister desperately fought off an attempted rapist inside her apartment

Diallo beat 43-year-old Earl Nash – a career criminal -- in the elevator bank of a Bronx apartment building

You don't have carte blanche to go kill a criminal anywhere you like after the crime was committed.

Tom did you ever think that the husband rushing home to save his wife.....bumped into the career criminal in the elevator/lobby and that maybe his wife said that is him! Did you ever think that the husband never pursued the guy? And of course you can pursue a criminal and incapacitate them so they don't get away. BTW this is what happened in NY. The 2 men bumped into each other in the elevator lobby.


Once there, he found himself face to face with Nash in the hallway. The suspect, just sprung from prison on May 20, was sauntering toward the elevator when the doors opened.

“I see my husband, I say, ‘That’s him! Don’t let him out!’” the wife told The News.

Mamadou Diallo and Nash began brawling, splashing blood around the hallway and the elevator. Sources said Nash beat Diallo with a belt as the husband bashed him in the head and body with the tire iron.

Nash suffered severe trauma to the head and body. He died at Lincoln Hospital

Later, after his arraignment in Bronx Criminal Court, Diallo was greeted with cheers and applause from supporters when Judge Julio Rodriguez ordered him released on his own recognizance. He is due back in court June 27.

“This was an attack on his family under extreme circumstances,” defense attorney Anthony Michaels said in court.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bron...-1.2655389

(06-01-2016 12:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 12:21 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Liberals are tap dancing all over the place on this one. Its not that hard.

Apparently it's pretty hard for you cons. Like this has anything at all to do with liberal v. conservative anyway.

When a crime is committed, unless you're in fear for your life, you don't get to go pursue and kill the criminal after he leaves the scene of that crime. There's mountains and mountains of precedence on this.

He never pursued the perp. Why can't you understand this.