(06-01-2016 09:20 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 04:16 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 04:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 04:10 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 03:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Just hope nobody ever thinks you committed a crime, or buh-bye.

Hmmmm, these folks didn't just go out looking for someone who they "thought" was the perp so I don't know what you're getting at. I'm pretty sure the law clearly states, even in Texas, that you can't do that.

Don't be quite so sure...go read the Texas law. Some scary stuff there...lol

I will look it up later.

Well, I perused the Texas Penal Code and it looks like it is unlawful to use deadly force against someone if you "think" said person is the perp. So, it appears your strawman is dead.

Texas Penal Code §9.31.Self-Defense

Another day, another post from Tom thats proven to be pure garbage.

(06-01-2016 07:40 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  same ole GOP loons spewing the same BS over, and over, and over.....no thanks....

I sure dont remember mentioning Memphis in the OP...

(06-02-2016 08:25 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 07:40 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  same ole GOP loons spewing the same BS over, and over, and over.....no thanks....

I sure dont remember mentioning Memphis in the OP...

you should have a permanent disclaimer in your sig defining such....

oh shite, what am I saying....he'd find some bs racist thingy in that too

(06-02-2016 08:49 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 08:25 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 07:40 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  same ole GOP loons spewing the same BS over, and over, and over.....no thanks....

I sure dont remember mentioning Memphis in the OP...

you should have a permanent disclaimer in your sig defining such....

oh shite, what am I saying....he'd find some bs racist thingy in that too

but of course, there is nothing racist about him

(06-02-2016 08:51 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 08:49 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 08:25 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 07:40 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  same ole GOP loons spewing the same BS over, and over, and over.....no thanks....

I sure dont remember mentioning Memphis in the OP...

you should have a permanent disclaimer in your sig defining such....

oh shite, what am I saying....he'd find some bs racist thingy in that too

but of course, there is nothing racist about him

his application for Farrakhan U was rejected.....he's never gotten over it....

(06-01-2016 09:20 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 04:16 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 04:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 04:10 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 03:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Just hope nobody ever thinks you committed a crime, or buh-bye.

Hmmmm, these folks didn't just go out looking for someone who they "thought" was the perp so I don't know what you're getting at. I'm pretty sure the law clearly states, even in Texas, that you can't do that.

Don't be quite so sure...go read the Texas law. Some scary stuff there...lol

I will look it up later.

Well, I perused the Texas Penal Code and it looks like it is unlawful to use deadly force against someone if you "think" said person is the perp. So, it appears your strawman is dead.

Texas Penal Code §9.31.Self-Defense

Yes, but that's not really the point I was making. If the guy thinks you were the perp and asks you to stop...and you don't because you're innocent...he might go ahead and shoot you thinking he is in the right. That's all. I was not claiming he had the legal right to shoot you regardless. Capiche?

(06-02-2016 09:43 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 09:20 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 04:16 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 04:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 04:10 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  Hmmmm, these folks didn't just go out looking for someone who they "thought" was the perp so I don't know what you're getting at. I'm pretty sure the law clearly states, even in Texas, that you can't do that.

Don't be quite so sure...go read the Texas law. Some scary stuff there...lol

I will look it up later.

Well, I perused the Texas Penal Code and it looks like it is unlawful to use deadly force against someone if you "think" said person is the perp. So, it appears your strawman is dead.

Texas Penal Code §9.31.Self-Defense

Yes, but that's not really the point I was making. If the guy thinks you were the perp and asks you to stop...and you don't because you're innocent...he might go ahead and shoot you thinking he is in the right. That's all. I was not claiming he had the legal right to shoot you regardless. Capiche?

WTF? So you're saying if someone visually sees a guy raping someone, he can't shoot him because the perp thinks he's innocent? Please actually explain what point you're making, b/c you're not making any sense.

edit: remember you had said "Just hope nobody ever thinks you committed a crime, or buh-bye." which means you are under the presumption that someone can go out looking for someone who they "thought" was the perp. It seems you are changing your stance.

(06-02-2016 10:30 AM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 09:43 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 09:20 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 04:16 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 04:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Don't be quite so sure...go read the Texas law. Some scary stuff there...lol

I will look it up later.

Well, I perused the Texas Penal Code and it looks like it is unlawful to use deadly force against someone if you "think" said person is the perp. So, it appears your strawman is dead.

Texas Penal Code §9.31.Self-Defense

Yes, but that's not really the point I was making. If the guy thinks you were the perp and asks you to stop...and you don't because you're innocent...he might go ahead and shoot you thinking he is in the right. That's all. I was not claiming he had the legal right to shoot you regardless. Capiche?

WTF? So you're saying if someone visually sees a guy raping someone, he can't shoot him because the perp thinks he's innocent? Please actually explain what point you're making, b/c you're not making any sense.

edit: remember you had said "Just hope nobody ever thinks you committed a crime, or buh-bye." which means you are under the presumption that someone can go out looking for someone who they "thought" was the perp. It seems you are changing your stance.

The Texas law provides for you to shoot criminals pretty much anywhere. The people deciding who is and isn't a criminal may not always be right. That's it in a nutshell. Not saying anyone's doing this for any particular reason. Just saying that people make mistakes.

(06-02-2016 10:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 10:30 AM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 09:43 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 09:20 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 04:16 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  I will look it up later.

Well, I perused the Texas Penal Code and it looks like it is unlawful to use deadly force against someone if you "think" said person is the perp. So, it appears your strawman is dead.

Texas Penal Code §9.31.Self-Defense

Yes, but that's not really the point I was making. If the guy thinks you were the perp and asks you to stop...and you don't because you're innocent...he might go ahead and shoot you thinking he is in the right. That's all. I was not claiming he had the legal right to shoot you regardless. Capiche?

WTF? So you're saying if someone visually sees a guy raping someone, he can't shoot him because the perp thinks he's innocent? Please actually explain what point you're making, b/c you're not making any sense.

edit: remember you had said "Just hope nobody ever thinks you committed a crime, or buh-bye." which means you are under the presumption that someone can go out looking for someone who they "thought" was the perp. It seems you are changing your stance.

The Texas law provides for you to shoot criminals pretty much anywhere. The people deciding who is and isn't a criminal may not always be right. That's it in a nutshell. Not saying anyone's doing this for any particular reason. Just saying that people make mistakes.

You obviously dont understand Texas Law.

(06-02-2016 10:38 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 10:30 AM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 09:43 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 09:20 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 04:16 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  I will look it up later.

Well, I perused the Texas Penal Code and it looks like it is unlawful to use deadly force against someone if you "think" said person is the perp. So, it appears your strawman is dead.

Texas Penal Code §9.31.Self-Defense

Yes, but that's not really the point I was making. If the guy thinks you were the perp and asks you to stop...and you don't because you're innocent...he might go ahead and shoot you thinking he is in the right. That's all. I was not claiming he had the legal right to shoot you regardless. Capiche?

WTF? So you're saying if someone visually sees a guy raping someone, he can't shoot him because the perp thinks he's innocent? Please actually explain what point you're making, b/c you're not making any sense.

edit: remember you had said "Just hope nobody ever thinks you committed a crime, or buh-bye." which means you are under the presumption that someone can go out looking for someone who they "thought" was the perp. It seems you are changing your stance.

The Texas law provides for you to shoot criminals pretty much anywhere. The people deciding who is and isn't a criminal may not always be right. That's it in a nutshell. Not saying anyone's doing this for any particular reason. Just saying that people make mistakes.

No, not really. And certain conditions have to be present in order for your "anywhere" comment to hold merit. I quoted them below because I know you didn't read it.

And it's just flat out ridiculous if you're saying because "some people" "might" be unable to figure out if someone assaulting them is a criminal or not, we should all just outlaw deadly force in self defense.

Quote:(1)knew or had reason to believe that the person against whom the force was used:

(A)unlawfully and with force entered, or was attempting to enter unlawfully and with force, the actor's occupied habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment;

(B)unlawfully and with force removed, or was attempting to remove unlawfully and with force, the actor from the actor's habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment;  or

©was committing or attempting to commit aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery;

(2)did not provoke the person against whom the force was used;  and

(3)was not otherwise engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic at the time the force was used.

Dude, you're reading WAY too much into my pretty much harmless comment.

I'll leave you with the last word if you want it, but I've explained all I can.

(06-02-2016 10:30 AM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 09:43 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 09:20 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 04:16 PM)Pyrizzo Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 04:14 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Don't be quite so sure...go read the Texas law. Some scary stuff there...lol

I will look it up later.

Well, I perused the Texas Penal Code and it looks like it is unlawful to use deadly force against someone if you "think" said person is the perp. So, it appears your strawman is dead.

Texas Penal Code §9.31.Self-Defense

Yes, but that's not really the point I was making. If the guy thinks you were the perp and asks you to stop...and you don't because you're innocent...he might go ahead and shoot you thinking he is in the right. That's all. I was not claiming he had the legal right to shoot you regardless. Capiche?

WTF? So you're saying if someone visually sees a guy raping someone, he can't shoot him because the perp thinks he's innocent? Please actually explain what point you're making, b/c you're not making any sense.

edit: remember you had said "Just hope nobody ever thinks you committed a crime, or buh-bye." which means you are under the presumption that someone can go out looking for someone who they "thought" was the perp. It seems you are changing your stance.

he doesn't understand law vs. jury trial in certain circumstances....

now that is the purest of irony as he is left of left....

that poor girl is boxed in w/o her mace

(06-02-2016 11:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Dude, you're reading WAY too much into my pretty much harmless comment.

I'll leave you with the last word if you want it, but I've explained all I can.

Harmless? Lol. Ok Tom. Everyone knows the intent of your comment, and that you ran away from it. Now go ahead and hide behind your keyboard. Is that ok for a last word?

(06-02-2016 11:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Dude, you're reading WAY too much into my pretty much harmless comment.

I'll leave you with the last word if you want it, but I've explained all I can.

As usual, the problem isn't with your explanation, Tom... Everyone gets your explanation. It's with your outlandish interpretation (to the point of almost appearing that you didn't even read it) of Texas law. Certainly you don't understand it... even if you DID read it.

Yes of course, a fool can shoot someone 'anywhere' and claim self-defense and then lose... but only a (what's the clinical word like hypochondriac for 'fear'?) would actually be concerned about something that almost never happens.

Let me say that differently. If I wanted to shoot someone, I'd certainly try and CLAIM that they deserved it/I had no choice. ANY defendant in such a case would. That doesn't mean I actually believed that I was acting in good faith... it just means I'm trying to get away with murder. I'd do the same thing in Texas as in NY, just as happened here. In both cases, the 'reasonableness' of my fear is only part of the equation. In NY, physical location has more meaning. I don't know about you, but it doesn't really comfort me that I can't shoot someone trying to kidnap and rape my wife or child in my apartment hallway, but only if they are actually in my home. Yes, that is an over-simplification, but it's not far off. I'd rather the specifics of the case determine whether or not I acted in good faith during such a traumatic event, rather than some arbitrary and often invisible line