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RE: Chip Brown: Big 12 expansion is NOT happening
Look at who started this thread?

As it is, who wants to believe a puppet reporter for the Longhorns? Other writers close to other schools in the Big 12 say expansions are likely. The schools that are not named Texas and Oklahoma need to be worry. If they don't expand and Texas and Oklahoma bolt? The other schools do not have a landing spot to go to. Kansas would not make the cut even for basketball. They do not have the TV market for the Big 10 or SEC.
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(05-31-2016 03:43 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  Wait a minute. What about all that stuff TripleA was saying about Memphis already being invited????

Andy has been here for a long time. He does not deserve this. Andy has many contacts with his years running his website. I for one appreciate the information he shares.
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(05-31-2016 06:32 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(05-31-2016 03:43 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  Wait a minute. What about all that stuff TripleA was saying about Memphis already being invited????

Andy has been here for a long time. He does not deserve this. Andy has many contacts with his years running his website. I for one appreciate the information he shares.
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Chip Brown is reporting this for UT. Now everyone knows UT's position. (Everyone already knew where UT stood) The battle to save The Big 12 is far from over.
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Not this year, but next year.
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(05-31-2016 05:32 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  So the next question, does Ok start the dissolution of the B12 by contacting the SEC or Big 10 to create the P4? ISU, K State and TT may need to start worrying.

I wouldn't worry until 2024. There still is a GOR.
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Texas knows Oklahoma can't leave without Oklahoma State, and that Big 10 and SEC are not the likely spot for taken both. ACC may not either. PAC 12 might go after them again for the 4, but T. Boone Pickens want Oklahoma State into the SEC, and would block Oklahoma State from going to the Big 12. Oklahoma have no choice but to try and save the Big 12, and would go to battle with Texas over this. The other schools need to worry as will because they could fall from P5 status to G5. Plus, if Baylor gets the death penalty? Big 12 needs to expand this year. No ifs, ands and buts about it. There are examples of G5 schools that could make money that would be more of a pick up from some ACC schools. Some ACC schools are like this. Some ACC < some G5 schools in valuable.
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(05-31-2016 06:32 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(05-31-2016 03:43 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  Wait a minute. What about all that stuff TripleA was saying about Memphis already being invited????

Andy has been here for a long time. He does not deserve this. Andy has many contacts with his years running his website. I for one appreciate the information he shares.
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Doesn't deserve what??? Did I flame him? Did I use derogatory language? Did I insult his family?

He was very clear and matter of fact that he was "in the know" that Memphis had already received their B12 invite. All I asked was for hm to comment on this new information, so lighten up Francis.
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(05-31-2016 06:36 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  
(05-31-2016 06:32 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(05-31-2016 03:43 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  Wait a minute. What about all that stuff TripleA was saying about Memphis already being invited????

Andy has been here for a long time. He does not deserve this. Andy has many contacts with his years running his website. I for one appreciate the information he shares.
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Who put out false data? I didn't. But it's fine. We'll see what happens in the next few weeks. Beware of laughing too early.
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(05-31-2016 04:37 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-31-2016 03:43 PM)Dasville Wrote:  ALL Chip Brown literally said was that, " no network or expansion this year for the Big 12".

Jiminy Christmas people!

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(05-31-2016 06:50 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  Not this year, but next year.

Well they could have told him not this year. The two schools won't be added until the 2017 season.04-cheers
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(05-31-2016 07:39 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  
(05-31-2016 06:32 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(05-31-2016 03:43 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  Wait a minute. What about all that stuff TripleA was saying about Memphis already being invited????

Andy has been here for a long time. He does not deserve this. Andy has many contacts with his years running his website. I for one appreciate the information he shares.
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Doesn't deserve what??? Did I flame him? Did I use derogatory language? Did I insult his family?

He was very clear and matter of fact that he was "in the know" that Memphis had already received their B12 invite. All I asked was for hm to comment on this new information, so lighten up Francis.

Nah, you just made fun of my posts. That's okay. We'll see who is right in a few weeks.

But I did not say Memphis already had an invite, so if you're going to make fun of me, at least get the quotes right, which you haven't done correctly once yet.

I said the Big 12 had decided on 11 and 12, assuming what they told Memphis is accurate. I did not say they had issued an invite to anybody. They haven't voted yet. Chit happens sometimes. Nothing is ever certain until the presser. I said that half a dozen times already.

But if I were you, I would beware of premature celebration.
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(05-31-2016 07:01 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  
(05-31-2016 05:32 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  So the next question, does Ok start the dissolution of the B12 by contacting the SEC or Big 10 to create the P4? ISU, K State and TT may need to start worrying.

I wouldn't worry until 2024. There still is a GOR.

All a GOR means is it will cost quite a bit more money to leave the conference. At the end of the day a price would get negotiated out for School(s) X (and Y and...) to leave with their media rights to move to their new home. Anyone who thinks that its something that can't be broken for the right price doesn't understand the real implication of a GOR.
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(05-31-2016 04:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  People should consider that with the addition of either OU or UT that the Big 10 or SEC would easily be making 10 million more a year than either of them for television rights. The LHN can be absorbed easily by any 14 member conference who is adding two new schools. The 15 schools that are not Texas simply forgo 1/2 million of their bump per year for 15 years. When that comes out of an annual payout around 45 to 50 million per year they won't miss it. Then the new conference home easily matches that 7.5 million per year out of their share of the revenues and it is done.

Therefore the hidden possibility here is that Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and possibly West Virginia already know where they are headed and who of their present conference mates may be going with them.

They've all known for almost 6 years that it was going to eventually come to this. I guarantee you the options for each have been on the table for some time now.

Why would they do this? The big brands would do it because of the extra money they could be earning but are missing out on by staying the course. Texas less so of course than OU & Kansas. But then the second reason would probably interest Texas. The little brother schools will all be losers if they wait until the GOR expires. Why? They lose their leverage. If Texas or any other brand wants to help land a spot for other in state public schools then the longer they wait to make a move the less likely they are to be able to help those fellow state schools. So the impetus here is for both the brands, and the lesser brands, to see the wisdom in an orderly and brokered departure now.

So this may well be a pre-rehearsed drama that is about to unfold where the only ones who don't know the outcome are those of us in the audience. We'll see.

Also the Florida A.D. made some interesting statements this afternoon. When asked about future additions he stated that the SEC was quite happy at 14 and not planning on additions. He then went on to say, but should another major conference suffer a break up of course we would be interested in any of those schools who coincided with the SEC's plans for the future. Does this mean anything? No. But it is an odd comment to come out of a Conference meeting.

I am convinced the likely outcome as we move into the post-carriage fee model that the P5 leagues need even greater leverage than they have and 16 is probably the bottom end of that and 24 to 32 is possible. Our understanding of how conferences operate is going to have to change, you might not see an overall Big 10 champion named but rather an east and a west champion with both angling for the playoff or no divisions at all, instead playing 4-6 "core" opponents every year and having a mix from the non-core schedule and the top two highest rated playing to be overall champion.

If it goes big then the real battle to come is going to be B1G and SEC trying to seal the Pac-12 off and have a hand in their future. The only way to do that is to keep OU and Texas out of the Pac-12 and extract them from the Big XII. At that point with the Pac-12 unable to gain the numerical leverage bringing 100% equity Pac-12 Network and its infrastructure to the SEC or B1G or even the ACC to create a league of 26 to 28 teams that features one cross-sectional game a week but otherwise doesn't involve cross-competition is an economic beast covering every time zone and uniting major brands.

It sounds crazy but consider the money the NFL gets. The Cowboys are one of the most popular franchises and they are in the same conference as Chicago the third largest TV market and in the 55 years or so since the Cowboys were founded, they've played the Bears 25 times and two of those were playoff games. The Saints are a short (fun) trip and they've met 28 times. They've played the 49ers 34 times and 7 of those playoff games.

It doesn't matter if USC plays only one or two games a year against fellow ACC or B1G, or SEC teams, if one entity bottles up the west coast and the midwest or the west coast and eastern seaboard, or the southeast and west coast, you've created an economic beast and if you treat that economic beast like the NHL, NBA, and MLB do, you let the members sell off some of the inventory locally.
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(05-31-2016 09:36 PM)brista21 Wrote:  
(05-31-2016 07:01 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  
(05-31-2016 05:32 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  So the next question, does Ok start the dissolution of the B12 by contacting the SEC or Big 10 to create the P4? ISU, K State and TT may need to start worrying.

I wouldn't worry until 2024. There still is a GOR.

All a GOR means is it will cost quite a bit more money to leave the conference. At the end of the day a price would get negotiated out for School(s) X (and Y and...) to leave with their media rights to move to their new home. Anyone who thinks that its something that can't be broken for the right price doesn't understand the real implication of a GOR.

If Texas has the LHN and with ESPN , wouldn't They still have rights to Their own network content including tier 1 games ? Seems They could pull the plug on the Big 12 anytime They wish as long as They control Their own LHN. I'm sure ESPN could air any content from it.
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(05-31-2016 09:36 PM)brista21 Wrote:  All a GOR means is it will cost quite a bit more money to leave the conference. At the end of the day a price would get negotiated out for School(s) X (and Y and...) to leave with their media rights to move to their new home. Anyone who thinks that its something that can't be broken for the right price doesn't understand the real implication of a GOR.

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I hope you are wrong about this. But knowing what I know from my time in contract administration, you are most likely correct. If Texas endgame is to kill the Big 12, they are well on their way to doing just that.

Big 12 schools need to start looking around so they all have a chair when the music stops. If I am one of the two programs that is with Texas in stopping expansion I have to begin rethinking my position.

I have no doubt The Big 12 could survive without Texas. Perhaps they need to plan to do that.
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(05-31-2016 03:00 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  http://www.scout.com/college/texas/story...-happening

SOURCES: BIG 12 Expansion Not Happening
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"Expansion is not happening and neither is a Big 12 network - not this year, multiple sources across the Big 12 as well as TV industry sources told HornsDigest.com."


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The big question is if this is the position of David Boren. If it is, then I see the Big 12 prospering. If it is done against the wishes of David Boren, Oklahoma will follow Nebraska, Colorado, A&M and Mizzou. No way do you cross David Boren.

Well duh of course.
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Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas and WV would fit very well in the SEC. Texas reunited with A&M, Kansas reunited with Missouri.

You'd have divisions something like:

West - Texas, TX A&M, OU, Arkansas, LSU, Kansas, Missouri, Tennessee, Kentucky
East - Florida, SC, Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, Miss, Miss St, Vandy, WV

Play the eight other teams in your division every year, plus one dedicated cross-over, plus one more P5.


Big Ten could respond by taking four high quality research schools: North Carolina, Duke, Virginia, Georgia Tech.


Remaining Big 12 - Iowa St, Kansas St, Oklahoma St, TX Tech, Baylor, TCU --- join PAC 12 ??


ACC remaining - BC, Cuse, Pitt, Notre Dame, Louisville, Clemson, FL St, Miami, VT, NC St, WF

Add from Cincy, UConn, Temple, Houston, Memphis, etc.
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(05-31-2016 11:47 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(05-31-2016 04:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  People should consider that with the addition of either OU or UT that the Big 10 or SEC would easily be making 10 million more a year than either of them for television rights. The LHN can be absorbed easily by any 14 member conference who is adding two new schools. The 15 schools that are not Texas simply forgo 1/2 million of their bump per year for 15 years. When that comes out of an annual payout around 45 to 50 million per year they won't miss it. Then the new conference home easily matches that 7.5 million per year out of their share of the revenues and it is done.

Therefore the hidden possibility here is that Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and possibly West Virginia already know where they are headed and who of their present conference mates may be going with them.

They've all known for almost 6 years that it was going to eventually come to this. I guarantee you the options for each have been on the table for some time now.

Why would they do this? The big brands would do it because of the extra money they could be earning but are missing out on by staying the course. Texas less so of course than OU & Kansas. But then the second reason would probably interest Texas. The little brother schools will all be losers if they wait until the GOR expires. Why? They lose their leverage. If Texas or any other brand wants to help land a spot for other in state public schools then the longer they wait to make a move the less likely they are to be able to help those fellow state schools. So the impetus here is for both the brands, and the lesser brands, to see the wisdom in an orderly and brokered departure now.

So this may well be a pre-rehearsed drama that is about to unfold where the only ones who don't know the outcome are those of us in the audience. We'll see.

Also the Florida A.D. made some interesting statements this afternoon. When asked about future additions he stated that the SEC was quite happy at 14 and not planning on additions. He then went on to say, but should another major conference suffer a break up of course we would be interested in any of those schools who coincided with the SEC's plans for the future. Does this mean anything? No. But it is an odd comment to come out of a Conference meeting.

I am convinced the likely outcome as we move into the post-carriage fee model that the P5 leagues need even greater leverage than they have and 16 is probably the bottom end of that and 24 to 32 is possible. Our understanding of how conferences operate is going to have to change, you might not see an overall Big 10 champion named but rather an east and a west champion with both angling for the playoff or no divisions at all, instead playing 4-6 "core" opponents every year and having a mix from the non-core schedule and the top two highest rated playing to be overall champion.

If it goes big then the real battle to come is going to be B1G and SEC trying to seal the Pac-12 off and have a hand in their future. The only way to do that is to keep OU and Texas out of the Pac-12 and extract them from the Big XII. At that point with the Pac-12 unable to gain the numerical leverage bringing 100% equity Pac-12 Network and its infrastructure to the SEC or B1G or even the ACC to create a league of 26 to 28 teams that features one cross-sectional game a week but otherwise doesn't involve cross-competition is an economic beast covering every time zone and uniting major brands.

It sounds crazy but consider the money the NFL gets. The Cowboys are one of the most popular franchises and they are in the same conference as Chicago the third largest TV market and in the 55 years or so since the Cowboys were founded, they've played the Bears 25 times and two of those were playoff games. The Saints are a short (fun) trip and they've met 28 times. They've played the 49ers 34 times and 7 of those playoff games.

It doesn't matter if USC plays only one or two games a year against fellow ACC or B1G, or SEC teams, if one entity bottles up the west coast and the midwest or the west coast and eastern seaboard, or the southeast and west coast, you've created an economic beast and if you treat that economic beast like the NHL, NBA, and MLB do, you let the members sell off some of the inventory locally.

Much simpler is a joint TV contract, much like Chip Brown suggests (without the conference shuffling). It could start with Big 12 and ACC or Big 12 and Pac 12. Eventually the SEC and B1G might see an advantage in joining the consortium. Or there could be two groups, B1G/Pac/Big and SEC/ACC. Or maybe you get the 24 team conference without actually being one conference-Pac 12 and Big 12 "merge" their conference offices and TV contract, but remain separate conferences for NCAA purposes.
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You could also work out a deal to have officially separate conferences for football, from non-football.

IE, trying to get around a 24 team conference only getting one bid to NCAA tournaments.
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